Wish i didnt live in NY so i could actually get the Auto S/C kit....will any changes be made, so it could actually happen in my state? im assuming not, but hey its worth a shot

 

Does the S/C require higher octane fuel? Always wondered this... it could effect some N/A peoples' decisions, with the prices lately.

 

^^yes premium only.

 

if you are worried about gas prices, why would you want to throw a considerable amount of money into something that is going to make you want to SLAM YOUR foot on the gas?

 

see I have no problem with the higher gas prices. they aren't near as high as it seems at other places.

and whats this about not being able to get the S/C in NY?
this thing is legal in cali how the hell is it not legal in NY?

 

josh...

Huh? There are plenty of cars that run CAI's with FI and have NO problems. A recent example? The Cobalt SS. My neighbor here in the NE runs one. He posts up with all the SS folks on their website.... with all the rain and flooding here the past several months (and even going back to last fall)..... NO issues! Not one!

PLUS.... GM has come out with Stage 1 and Stage 2 kits (smaller SC pulley's, reflash and belts) that are fully covered by the warranty. Stage 2 adds 45 hp to the SC! (I went for a ride in one last night!)

I am a tC guy! I LOVE my tC and all of it's quirks.

Don't mean to be harsh here... but let's be at least intellectually honest. Toyota has made a decision not to support boosting this engine above the level of the SC. Which is fine... they are the ones who have to back up their product.

But it also seems as if the SC was engineered with such tight tolerances that any increase in boost beyond the kit could / will cause issues. That is just surprising to me. I know many engineers who have worked on military aircraft, rail engines, and cars. Generally speaking, they design systems to a bare minimum of 120% or more of the stated or desired tolerances.

It does not, however, seem to be the case with the tC. Otherwise I cannot imagine that Toyota would not want to tap into those $$ from all the people (like me) who would buy a stage 1 or 2 kit for the SC.... or a SC CAI for that matter.

I never thought I would say this, but GM is taking Toyota to school on "tuning". There might be more aftermarket items (overall) for the tC, but GM is treating their SC customers right!

 

I already said why I think a CAI isn't safe with F/I cars. My prime examlpe is a friend of mine with a SRT-4 had a K&N typhoon intake and hydolocked the motor a week after he got it. The risks by far out weigh the gains.

As far as the SS Cobalt I can't really argue with you. But keep in mind the Cobalt and the tC are totally different animals. GM designed the SS to be a S/C car. Toyota didn't build the tC specifically for F/I. It can safely handle what the S/C puts out but that's about it. Hence the reason they do not want you to change the pulleys.

On that same note GM has been losing their market share steadily for years now to Toyota. That's the reason they're trying to come out as hard as they are with cars like the SS Cobalt and they are trying to compete for the tuner market. There is no doubt that they are taking a shot at Toyota & Dodge right now with the upgrades available. We all know that Mopar offers different stage kits for the SRT-4 but they aren't covered under warranty. I'm not sure it the upsgrades from GM are covered though.

I seriously doubt GM is going to tell Toyota anything about tuning. They sure aren't going to tell them anything about engine building. I just think Toyota is more focused on other things right now. Like trying to take over the world or something. lol

 

he is totally right, those cars were built to have craxy numbers.
the tC wasn't built to those specs by far, but people can get it there themselves because anything is possible, its at their own risk.

 

Yah what is the deal about NY?

 

if the tC is designed for the younger generation(gen Y??) which like any other generation, wants there car to be as fast and pimp as possible, then why not build an engine that can handle those numbers...i mean look, the tC even has a fairly low redline...my mom's blzer pulls just about the same RPMS, at red, with my step-dad's truck possibly pulling more, all on stock engines....


thats one thing i think that holds the tC back...needs t ored at like 7, that would be sweet. another thing, is why would it not be safe to run F/I on the tC with a CAI...i understand the issues with hydrolocking...but i drove to Ohio, in the worst storm i have ever been in, and the only water on my CAI was mist.....no rain, no splashing, nothing... the intake on these cars is too high too have severe hydrolocking problems, plus you can run pre-filters, BPV, etc.


and risk out weighing the gain...stock engine gains 7-12 hp with an air intake(given the right conditions) so it is very possible that a F/I engine should gain massive amounts more, such as 20-30 correct?
20-30 hp on a 300 hp car, thats almost a 10% increase.....i'll take it

 

^^^ Preach on bro!

I am not hatin' on Toyota.... by no means! I just have to be honest.... they wanted this car to be customizable to their buyers... well guess who is buying the snot out of the tc? People who want to get a decent.... no... a great sports car for a decent price!

C'mon... why would they even put out the SC if they did not know what they were creating? They knew... I just think they did not realize or (dare I say it) did not anticipate the response!

 

oh i am not saying that Toyota and TRD are on the preferable f/i tract, I agree that the S/C should be just as upgradable.

but you can't really compare the tC's safe power potential to that of the cobalt or caliber

 

there in the same class(price, features, etc) so if toyota wants to be on top overall, they need to do a little more i think to the tC's engine/drivetrain. sure, the tc has the same number of features as many ss cobalts do,(trust, i know a girl that got one a few weeks ago), but the dealer upgradeability does not have much in the engine compartment. the only way to get a tC running hard is to get a turbo...and that voids the manufacturere's warranty, so thats not the best option for guys like me headin to college, where i wont have to cash to turbo my car or pay for it when it breaks.

a stage 1 and 2 s/c would be nice, maybe TRD could do something to get it up to about 250...then i would definitley take it over the turbo, thanks to the warranty


but thats my $.02

i dont doubt my tC could easily run with a n/a cobalt, or caliber, or probably even a neon....but my s/c tc , with all factory upgrades, could get beaten by the upgraded cobalts and neons....

 

is it true that you have to own a tC for a year before you can put on the TRD supercharger?

 

no

 

to be perfectly honest, if Toyota was interested at ALL in 'tuning' or the market that comes with that one little word, they would not have retired the Supra.

 

^^well put, but not neccesarily


the supra was around for a long time, but it was getting a little long in the tooth, and toyota was switching to a "family" company then, henceforth the change.....now toyota has some sub brands, aka scion/lexus, and they can expand with those names...

scion would be a perfect platform for tuner cars, henceforth the tC.

 

that's exciting can't wait to see the numbers

 

yea they would, at least the tC anyway. But for that to happen, a completely different kind of engine/drivetrain setup would need to happen.

RWD off the lot and 200-210 stock crank horsepower would be a nice platform to start with :p

I'll just be holding out for when I make my millions and buy myself a nissan GT-R or the long awaited Supra MkV

 

how much the supercharger adds on the hp will determine the gas mileage. Lets just put i this way. I had an 04 corolla S supercharged. It produced just about 160-170. And I got the same gas mileage as a corolla XRS does (which is 170hp)