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Old Jun 3, 2008 | 04:09 AM
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i cant wait for my 95 rx7 to get here reading about your experience with the rx8 makes me want it now. it should be here by saturday though .
Old Jun 3, 2008 | 04:13 AM
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They make great track cars and I know that when you get your rotary running well you'll love it!
Old Jun 3, 2008 | 04:17 AM
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so joe how was the track day
Old Jun 3, 2008 | 04:17 AM
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the first thing i want to do is the reliability mods . then the fun will begin .
Old Jun 3, 2008 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by xCxHxRxIxSx
the first thing i want to do is the reliability mods.
biggest oxymoron sentence ever!
Old Jun 3, 2008 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe_Dezod
Note that that is also a 2005. The 07s and 08s have different cam profiles along with higher compression. It's easier to hit the 300 mark everyone wants on the newer models.

I have no idea what your so ____y and defensive about all the time. I keep forgetting that the tC is superior to all other vehicles, and that you calling my Mazda a POS because it's not the fasted on your proven highway method.

We're actually more interested in the sport of auto racing. I could give a crap about how well a car does from 70-120mph on a highway. That only proves that both drivers have no respect for the law, and what their acceleration ability is at a certain speed.

Try performing through mutliple laps which requires the ability of all parts to perform to their potential. Yeah you floor it once in a while, and that somehow makes your car awesome and my RX-8 a POS.

Do whatever suspension upgrade, brake upgrade, or anything you want to your car. Let's put them on a real track and see if your godly car can run with a mildly modded RX-8.

I'm not saying that it's common for tCs to pass 300whp on 8psi. I was arguing about how fast the turbo spools to get there. That has a lot to do with turbine selection, housing selection, AND your bearing type. All of this still has nothing to do with the OP which also shows you have no care for the discussion at hand.

Sit this one out Travis because you'll never win this arguement. I have publically thrown a track challenge to you. Take as much time as you want to "prep" your car that's been in ____-poor running condition for two years now.

When you're ready to race let me know and I'll bring my 1.3L Mazda. We'll see who the POS is then.


Oh now you say it's only with the 07 - 08's..... I don't compare that POS RX8 to my tC, I compared it to my 350z. Test drove both in the same day. The RX8 was just sluggish, and don't see why anyone would buy it. Hell, months later I almost bought one because it was cheap, but low and behold, the dealer had sold the car before I got there, and then showed me a 350z they had on the lot. THANK GOD they sold that 8, cause I would have been ____ed with it.

The 350z's (2003 model that is), runs the same lap times as an RX8. So, sorry if you think an 8 is superior when it's not. And it's worthless to compare them in a straight line. The Z eats that thing for lunch (raced one in my Z). It would be a waste of gas to fool with an RX8 on the highway with my tC.

And stop giving me that sob "oh you thread jacked" crap. Like I'm the only one that ever thread jacked....lol.

When did you publicly throw a track challenge to me? Just now? Wow....yeah, let me guess, I have to drive all the way to you to make it happen right... Also let me guess, I'm not allowed to bring my Z, but only my tC right?...

Doesn't matter anyhow, I would own you in either car. Make sure you bring enough oil for that POS, wouldn't want it to die on the track from oil starvation.

Hell if you want, we can have a full-out-all-around battle. Highway run, Time Attack Run, Auto X, and Drifting. How many of the 4 battles do you think you would come out on top?
Old Jun 3, 2008 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by coryjames
so joe how was the track day
It went extremely well! The only larger spinouts were a couple vipers, a civic hatch, and a suby towards the end. We had baout 50 cars racing. NASA/SCCA instructors were there teaching all the newer drivers how to properly race their vehicle.

My site will have a lot more info including pics and videos towards the end of the week.
Old Jun 3, 2008 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe_Dezod
Originally Posted by coryjames
so joe how was the track day
It went extremely well! The only larger spinouts were a couple vipers, a civic hatch, and a suby towards the end. We had baout 50 cars racing. NASA/SCCA instructors were there teaching all the newer drivers how to properly race their vehicle.

My site will have a lot more info including pics and videos towards the end of the week.
Werd. That Impreza wiped out right in front of you. I was like Ohhhh ish. Then a cloud of smoke eclipsed you and your yellow flag.

Anyway, get that FTP info to me so I can send you the pics Joe.
Old Jun 3, 2008 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by Joe_Dezod
It's easier to hit the 300 mark everyone wants on the newer models.

We're actually more interested in the sport of auto racing. I could give a crap about how well a car does from 70-120mph on a highway. That only proves that both drivers have no respect for the law, and what their acceleration ability is at a certain speed.

Do whatever suspension upgrade, brake upgrade, or anything you want to your car. Let's put them on a real track and see if your godly car can run with a mildly modded RX-8.

I'm not saying that it's common for tCs to pass 300whp on 8psi. I was arguing about how fast the turbo spools to get there. That has a lot to do with turbine selection, housing selection, AND your bearing type. All of this still has nothing to do with the OP which also shows you have no care for the discussion at hand.


Oh now you say it's only with the 07 - 08's..... I don't compare that POS RX8 to my tC, I compared it to my 350z. Test drove both in the same day. The RX8 was just sluggish, and don't see why anyone would buy it. Hell, months later I almost bought one because it was cheap, but low and behold, the dealer had sold the car before I got there, and then showed me a 350z they had on the lot. THANK GOD they sold that 8, cause I would have been ____ed with it.

The 350z's (2003 model that is), runs the same lap times as an RX8. So, sorry if you think an 8 is superior when it's not. And it's worthless to compare them in a straight line. The Z eats that thing for lunch (raced one in my Z). It would be a waste of gas to fool with an RX8 on the highway with my tC.

And stop giving me that sob "oh you thread jacked" crap. Like I'm the only one that ever thread jacked....lol.

When did you publicly throw a track challenge to me? Just now? Wow....yeah, let me guess, I have to drive all the way to you to make it happen right... Also let me guess, I'm not allowed to bring my Z, but only my tC right?...

Doesn't matter anyhow, I would own you in either car. Make sure you bring enough oil for that POS, wouldn't want it to die on the track from oil starvation.

Hell if you want, we can have a full-out-all-around battle. Highway run, Time Attack Run, Auto X, and Drifting. How many of the 4 battles do you think you would come out on top?

Wow Travis. I don't know if you choose to not read half of what's been said, or if you're a product of a poor education, but I'll try this one again.

I said it's EASIER on newer models. I didn't say it's only the new models that make those numbers. It's possible, that's all I've said.

I also wasn't trying to compare the RX-8 to a 350Z because the original thread poster was trying to compare a turbo RX-8 to his turbo tC. When did the 350Z have to be proven to be a better car? I listed numbers of what the Z's ran because it proves that horsepower isn't everything, and on a tigher track the Mazda does a little better.

Once again you resort to the highway method of part of your way for determining which car is better. I don't race cars on the highway. I also stated already that the tC would definitely win in a highway run when compared to the RX-8. I agree that the 350Z would win as well. If you read what I wrote before, you would see that I already said the RX-8 is underpowered when compared to a turbo tC, yet you have to mention that again as if I was disagreeing with you.

I said I bought the RX-8 for MY needs, which is for road racing. If I wanted a drift car I would buy a 240SX. If I wanted a highway car, I would have bought a Supra. I like to drag once in a while, which is way I own an Eclipse GSX that would tear your tC a new one. I challenged you to a road race to prove that the RX-8 is designed for that and wouldn't be considered a POS on such a coarse. The oil comment is not a "problem" with the RX-8, it's a feature to help the motor last longer. OMP stands for oil metering pump and is standard on all Renesis engines. It makes the rotary pass the 100k mark now.

Different cars have different strengths. If you go on a larger track, where power has more of a role, I agree the Z and the Mazda would be much closer. In tigher coarses, the Mazda has the weight/handling advantage. If you think your open-differential FWD tC can power out of a corner just as fast as my Mazda you've never road raced before.

I told you that you wont win this battle. Stop being stubborn and accept the fact that you're misinterpreting what has been said here.

READ THIS LINE TRAVIS:

Many cars have different stengths. The owner should choose a car that fits THEIR needs, not the criteria of people online.
Old Jun 3, 2008 | 03:11 PM
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LOL, BURN! Funny Travis is arguing with a guy who knows way more stuff about cars than us and is actually into this sport. Joe FTMFW!
Old Jun 3, 2008 | 03:12 PM
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Lets take this over to the RX-8 Club forums and see what they say. :D
Old Jun 3, 2008 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe_Dezod
Once again you resort to the highway method of part of your way for determining which car is better. I don't race cars on the highway. I also stated already that the tC would definitely win in a highway run when compared to the RX-8. I agree that the 350Z would win as well. If you read what I wrote before, you would see that I already said the RX-8 is underpowered when compared to a turbo tC, yet you have to mention that again as if I was disagreeing with you.

You skipped the part where I said Highway, Drag strip, Auto X, Time Attack, and Drifting. So, NO once again I was not resorting to the highway method. I've been on tracks plenty of times Joe. Drift course and drag tracks. I'm setting the tC up for Time Attack, and hope to have that done next year. So, you were saying? It's underpowered because Mazda over rated the car. I believe they got a bit of backlash for that.


Originally Posted by Joe_Dezod
I said I bought the RX-8 for MY needs, which is for road racing. If I wanted a drift car I would buy a 240SX. If I wanted a highway car, I would have bought a Supra. I like to drag once in a while, which is way I own an Eclipse GSX that would tear your tC a new one. I challenged you to a road race to prove that the RX-8 is designed for that and wouldn't be considered a POS on such a coarse. The oil comment is not a "problem" with the RX-8, it's a feature to help the motor last longer. OMP stands for oil metering pump and is standard on all Renesis engines. It makes the rotary pass the 100k mark now.

I'll run you on a road course, fine by me. You can disagree if you wish, but there are SO many better cars that will run the same as the RX-8 on a road course, and are better ALL-Around cars than serving only one purpose. Which is seems the RX-8 only has ONE strong point. It fails everywhere else. Eclipse GSX tearing my tC a new one....ok, if you say so. I still consider the car a POS. That's just my opinion, hated or love it. It's over priced and over rated.

Originally Posted by Joe_Dezod
Different cars have different strengths. If you go on a larger track, where power has more of a role, I agree the Z and the Mazda would be much closer. In tigher coarses, the Mazda has the weight/handling advantage. If you think your open-differential FWD tC can power out of a corner just as fast as my Mazda you've never road raced before.
The Mazda has a weight advantage over the Z, but it does not have a handling advantage, just thought I would correct you in on that. I wouldn't bow to an RX-8 period, including yours Joe, so don't take offense to it. Now if it was an RX7.....That's a different story. That was built to compete with Porshce and other high grade cars. RX7 I would drool for.

Originally Posted by Joe_Dezod
I told you that you wont win this battle. Stop being stubborn and accept the fact that you're misinterpreting what has been said here.

READ THIS LINE TRAVIS:

Many cars have different stengths. The owner should choose a car that fits THEIR needs, not the criteria of people online.

And I told you, I think the RX-8 is a POS. Are you suppose to change my mind about that....not likely. Yeah, cars have different strengths....RX-8 has ONE, and everything else sucks (maintenance, price for what you get, over rated from the factory, oil consumption, etc...). So, if all you ever bought the car for was Track, then fine, it's performs wonders. But I doubt you drive it on the track everyday. Or even every week.
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Originally Posted by 20tCDude05
LOL, BURN! Funny Travis is arguing with a guy who knows way more stuff about cars than us and is actually into this sport. Joe FTMFW!

I'm failing to see where the Burn part is..... Especially when I've done more than just highway rolls....
Old Jun 3, 2008 | 03:49 PM
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I agree with Paul that the RX-8 can be a decent track car..

However this is the ONLY reason why I would get one.

As Travis stated - with all other things considered - the RX-8 is (in my opinion) a terrible value. We have 3 coworkers here who have an RX-8 and are regretting it - they can't trade or sell it because they'll be so upside down it's not even funny.

The car looks pretty cool in my opinion - it just needs to be priced much less for what it is.
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RX-8 FTW!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2MNet2pCSJE
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Rofl, I loved when the M5 just took off on the straight and the M3 cut him off.

Now let's wait for some kind of arguement.
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Rofl, I loved when the M5 just took off on the straight and the M3 cut him off.

Now let's wait for some kind of arguement.

I'm just slinging mud now... All is fair in Love and War. No offense to the RX-8 owners/lovers out there. I'm only teasing.
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My comments about the RX-8 were specifically about reliability, oil and gas consumption.
My tC is a daily driver, and I'd rather drive my boosted tC then a stock or otherwise RX-8 on the dialy.

No disrespect to anyone here, but we can't all buy multiple cars for different purposes...most of us only have 1 or 2 cars.

I was assuming the OP (20tC) was thinking of trading his DD tC for an RX-8 to DD, and that is what I did not think was a good idea.
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Originally Posted by CarbonXe
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Rofl, I loved when the M5 just took off on the straight and the M3 cut him off.

Now let's wait for some kind of arguement.

I'm just slinging mud now... All is fair in Love and War. No offense to the RX-8 owners/lovers out there. I'm only teasing.
Lol, I can understand the 350z (claimed to be the best track ready car for $30k), M3, and M5 beating the RX8...but even the S2K? Geez. I'd take the S2K over the RX8 simply for the open air...assuming I was in the market for a $30,000 high revving torqueless sports car.

I actually started watching that video expecting the Rx8 to prove itself...similar to that video where the NSX is killing Gallardo's and Murc's on the track (not in the straights obviously lol).
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S2000 is one of the best production economic sports cars ever. It is a no brainer vs an RX-8 on the track. Heck it even puts more power to the ground.



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