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Old Aug 7, 2006 | 10:39 PM
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I have been reading more and more threads about motors blowing up due to F/I. This is really making me reconsider making any kind of drastic F/I mod to the tC. Aren't turbo kits supposed to come with the components necessary to fortify/strengthen a motor ieforged pistons etc.) I know that maybe it could be due to bad tuning, way too much boost, or really driving the **** out of it, as well as not knowing how to drive manual corretly. Or is it just because are our motors to pewny to handle extra hp? I didn't even want to go that extreme, maybe just 250 whp.... Is it safe, or will I be another victim.... I like to drive aggressively on the weekend on an interstate, or racing around with friends, but I am not a serious racer, nor can I afford that kind of up keep.
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 10:40 PM
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Stock pistons and rings are junk.. the rods are also toothpicks as well...
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Well, your last nine words give me the idea that FI is not for you.
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 11:31 PM
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Exactly, gotta pay to play.
Old Aug 8, 2006 | 01:16 AM
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Well, your last nine words give me the idea that FI is not for you.
So basically you have to have lots of money to fix your car because it's always going to F*ck up....
Old Aug 8, 2006 | 01:32 AM
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Get a TRD SC
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Well, your last nine words give me the idea that FI is not for you.
So basically you have to have lots of money to fix your car because it's always going to F*ck up....
You always have to be prepared for expensive problems. Of course ifyou beat the hell out of the car, you're going to have reliability issues. But, if you take care and don't pump too much HP out of it (on stock internals) you should be OK. But it can get much more expensive than the initial purchase of the turbo kit, gauges, tune...
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Buying the Turbo is expensive, but it's not the problem. I can buy one like every other person here, it's just the fear of my whip blowing up like the people's on this forum I read about. I would only like about 250 whp. That is a fast car if you ask me, especially for "spirited" driving in the street....
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Maybe it's just me, but I haven't taken notice to THAT many blown tC's.
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Yes, 250 is safe. It only takes common sense to know when you are pushing the setup too far.
Old Aug 8, 2006 | 01:58 AM
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Maybe it's just me, but I haven't taken notice to THAT many blown tC's.
Yeah, from what I recall, many of the tCs with blown engines have been N/A. Obviously, if there is a design defect, adding boost will expedite the problem. But really, most of the blown turbo motors were caused by overboosting on stock internals (11psi+). To get 250whp you shouldn't need anything more than 8-9psi, which so far (knocking on wood) has been pretty stable.
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Thanks for the feed back guys, I am getting more convinced about it all now, lol. As far as turbos go.... which is best. I heard alot of good things about Sound Performance. Something along the lines of 280 whp @ 8 psi?
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Originally Posted by BreakTheStatic
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Maybe it's just me, but I haven't taken notice to THAT many blown tC's.
Yeah, from what I recall, many of the tCs with blown engines have been N/A. Obviously, if there is a design defect, adding boost will expedite the problem. But really, most of the blown turbo motors were caused by overboosting on stock internals (11psi+). To get 250whp you shouldn't need anything more than 8-9psi, which so far (knocking on wood) has been pretty stable.

8-9 PSI is good for about 270-290whp
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
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Maybe it's just me, but I haven't taken notice to THAT many blown tC's.
Yeah, from what I recall, many of the tCs with blown engines have been N/A. Obviously, if there is a design defect, adding boost will expedite the problem. But really, most of the blown turbo motors were caused by overboosting on stock internals (11psi+). To get 250whp you shouldn't need anything more than 8-9psi, which so far (knocking on wood) has been pretty stable.

8-9 PSI is good for about 270-290whp
Always gotta nitpick... heh heh ;) I was just trying to say that 250whp is easily attainable at fairly low boost levels.
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Originally Posted by BreakTheStatic
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by BreakTheStatic
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Maybe it's just me, but I haven't taken notice to THAT many blown tC's.
Yeah, from what I recall, many of the tCs with blown engines have been N/A. Obviously, if there is a design defect, adding boost will expedite the problem. But really, most of the blown turbo motors were caused by overboosting on stock internals (11psi+). To get 250whp you shouldn't need anything more than 8-9psi, which so far (knocking on wood) has been pretty stable.

8-9 PSI is good for about 270-290whp
Always gotta nitpick... heh heh ;) I was just trying to say that 250whp is easily attainable at fairly low boost levels.

I'm a Systems Engineer, we are always technical.... Sorry, just messing with ya. But I concur, 250whp on a Turbo is Cake..
Old Aug 8, 2006 | 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by bOhEmIo82
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Well, your last nine words give me the idea that FI is not for you.
So basically you have to have lots of money to fix your car because it's always going to F*ck up....
No but you gotta pay to upgrade all the other things in your car and not drive like a jerk most of the time.
Old Aug 8, 2006 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Jake_tC
Get a TRD SC
Mine is being installed on Friday, I cant wait to get my car back after the S/C goes on... Im taking notes from kytC right now...
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Originally Posted by 06SuperWhite_SoCal_tC
Originally Posted by Jake_tC
Get a TRD SC
Mine is being installed on Friday, I cant wait to get my car back after the S/C goes on... Im taking notes from kytC right now...
lol. get a forge 007 bypass valve and you're good to go.

i'm happy with the 7 psi boost though.
Old Aug 8, 2006 | 04:37 PM
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i can't believe someone actually asked these questions Moving on, I'm going to second the fact that boost is safe when tuned correctly and is reliable and as long as kits don't have sh!tty wastegates causing serious boost creeping. When installed, tuned, and driven properly boost is perfectly safe. Question in my mind (not to sound like a jerk) is that you seem to be a novice when it comes to tuning cars ( and i'm not claiming to be an expert) but you don't know the essentials of what comes in a turbo kit,so perhaps til you get a more in depth knowledge about your car and tuning in general you should leave it a lone. Because everyone is right in saying you gotta pay to play and until you know more about this kind of stuff you're going to end up spending more time paying then playing.
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+1, just found out, that not only did I need a clutch for the car, but that our Flywheel was toasted too. So, a new stock Flywheel is going back on the car, but this time a ZPI Red Disc Clutch is going in.



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