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Old Oct 5, 2006 | 12:08 AM
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Hey, can someone tell me if this sub/ amp will work.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-DyfqNqJ...=575P310D2#Tab

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-E1x6USD...Specifications


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Old Oct 5, 2006 | 12:29 AM
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what do you mean by work?
Old Oct 5, 2006 | 12:31 AM
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I assume you mean will everything "match" up.

It will work out good if you are only running (1) sub. If you are running (2) you would want to run a bigger amp.
Just wire everything down to 2ohms
Old Oct 5, 2006 | 12:35 AM
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hey, i ment by will it match up, also i will be running 1 sub.
Old Oct 5, 2006 | 12:36 AM
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thank you VVTIGUY for your help.
Old Oct 5, 2006 | 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by xtigger
Hey, can someone tell me if this sub/ amp will work.
It'll only work if it's wired correctly. The sub has dual 2 Ohm voice coils, and the amp only supports 4 and 2 Ohm loads. The voice coils can be wired in series for 4 Ohms, or paralleled for 1 Ohm. Wired in series for a 4 Ohm load, the amp will provide the sub with 210w, if it's getting 14.4v. Wired in parallel for a 1 Ohm load, the amp may be damaged, but at a minimum it'll overheat and shut down.

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Just wire everything down to 2ohms
Read the specs more closely before giving advice. You can't "wire everything down to 2ohms" if you've got dual 2 Ohm voice coils!
Old Oct 5, 2006 | 01:08 AM
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In the words of the Tool Man, "you need more power"
Old Oct 5, 2006 | 01:46 AM
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hey, i have a question tho, on Crutchfield website it says this

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» 210 watts x 1 at 4 ohms (at 14.4 volts)
» 420 watts x 1 at 2 ohms (at 14.4 volts)

since my sub is 2 ohms and its 400 watt max, why wouldnt it work, sorry i dont really know anything about RMS and other crap, but any help and explanation would be a great help. thank you.
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The sub you posted is has dual 2 ohm coils. Each coil can handle 200 watts. With the dual 2 ohm coils you can wire it to a 4 ohm load or a 1 ohm load.
Old Oct 5, 2006 | 03:47 AM
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lil will- thank you for the explanation, i guess i had to buy this in order for this to work with the amp i posted.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-PVvNRpV...=520&s=0&cc=01

this sub will work for sure right? thanks.
Old Oct 5, 2006 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by xtigger
Hey, can someone tell me if this sub/ amp will work.
It'll only work if it's wired correctly. The sub has dual 2 Ohm voice coils, and the amp only supports 4 and 2 Ohm loads. The voice coils can be wired in series for 4 Ohms, or paralleled for 1 Ohm. Wired in series for a 4 Ohm load, the amp will provide the sub with 210w, if it's getting 14.4v. Wired in parallel for a 1 Ohm load, the amp may be damaged, but at a minimum it'll overheat and shut down.

Originally Posted by VVTIGUY
Just wire everything down to 2ohms
Read the specs more closely before giving advice. You can't "wire everything down to 2ohms" if you've got dual 2 Ohm voice coils!

Oops! I guess I do need to read more closely. I was assuming but we all know what happens when assume right? sorry about that xtigger.
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Originally Posted by xtigger
lil will- thank you for the explanation, i guess i had to buy this in order for this to work with the amp i posted.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-PVvNRpV...=520&s=0&cc=01

this sub will work for sure right? thanks.
nope... that's a single 4ohm... You need a DUAL 4ohm sub that'll handle ~400 watts... with a dual 4ohm, you can wire the sub to the amp in parallel presenting the amp with a 2ohm load...
Old Oct 5, 2006 | 12:15 PM
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sci TC Guy- thank you for the explanation, but can some one possably help me by showing me which Rockford Fosgate or MTX sub on crutchfield that will work with my amp?? i am really comfused right now. thank you.
Old Oct 5, 2006 | 01:12 PM
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looks like that amp will be putting out 300x1@ 2ohm mono. This means you need a dual 4ohm or single 2ohm sub that will handle 300 watts RMS.

I personally think that for your budget you're looking at, you might be better off going with Elemental Designs. You'll probably save some money and get a lot better equipment. Not to say MTX or Rockford aren't good, but their low end products are lack luster.

go to www.edesignaudio.com and look at some of their subwoofers and amplifiers. PM me if you have any questions. Just for being a ScionLife member, you get a discount off majority of their products.
Old Oct 5, 2006 | 07:08 PM
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thank you Sci TC Guy for all your help, i ordered the mtx and the p3 sub. thanks to all other ppl who tried to help.
Old Oct 5, 2006 | 08:15 PM
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A lot of people here have some strange ideas on load impedance, amplifier power and what the implications are for both when designing a system.

The original sub and amp in question will function together just fine, and actually produce better sound quality than running the same at at 2 Ohms. A 4 Ohm load will enable the amp to better control the sub, there will be reserve power available for dynamic headroon (transient peaks), and the amp will also run cooler.

As for an amp not having enough wattage for a sub that's rated to handle more power than an amp puts out, there's nothing wrong with giving the sub less watts than it's rated for. When you play the system at half it's SPL capability, the sub isn't getting damaged when it's only getting half the wattage it can take. As long as the gain control is set such that the amp doesn't produce huge amounts of distortion and doesn't clip, a "1000w RMS" sub won't be damaged when connected to a 100w amp.

Additionally, there is only a 3dB increase for each doubling of power. If you hit 120dB with a 200w amp, upgrading to 400w will only get you 123dB, which is just enough to notice a difference.

2 Ohm loads and amp wattage that match the sub's rating are fine for those who choose to implement such systems, but it's not required or necessary, in order to acheive great SQ and more than adequate SPL. There are just as many incentives to choose either one over the other. I hope people can understand this.
Old Oct 5, 2006 | 08:33 PM
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97 of 100 people won't be able to tell a difference in a system that has amplifier headroom and one that doesn't. Anytime someone asks "what sub will go with this amp", I simply look for a sub that the amp will put out its most power with. Majority of people don't care about headroom..
Old Oct 5, 2006 | 08:38 PM
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^^^ I hear ya, my post wasn't necessarily directed at you, but was more intended to address many people at SL who apparently don't really understand the "advice" they provide.
Old Oct 5, 2006 | 08:45 PM
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oh... ok... Internet, ya know... hard to tell who's talkin at who..
Old Oct 5, 2006 | 11:18 PM
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^^^LOL, yes, yes it is.

Don't worry, if I ever say anything you need to get defensive about, I'll be sure to make it clear I'm attacking you and your post.



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