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Old Dec 8, 2004 | 03:34 AM
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Default 87 octane...

i normally run 93... please no flames i intend on doing some major motorwork in the near future and want to keep all the lines nice and clean for it one day...

i got to the pump today and all the pumps said "87 only" i was in desperate need of fuel and put in some 87... wow does the intake note change when the timing is only advanced so far.... I lost a "ton" of torque and my rpms didn't climb like normal...

for those guys that run 87 all the time try running 93 every now and then, you can actually feel vvti working!

ps remind me never to use 87 again...
Old Dec 8, 2004 | 03:39 AM
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big money throw some over this way!
87 recommended im stickin with it ;)
Old Dec 8, 2004 | 04:38 AM
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always go with 93 myself no matter what car it is..... yeah you can tell, well atleast i can, the difference. keep using 93 its your best bet even though its more expensive
Old Dec 8, 2004 | 04:42 AM
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i used to use 94 in my civic, that had a little bit done to it, i downgraded to 93 for the scion since it's still stock... and it's 10 more cents a gallon now, as oppossed to 3 cents more... i think i am getting old if i am starting to count pennies....
Old Dec 8, 2004 | 07:18 AM
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I wish I could run that high. But the price of 87 around here is average $2.66/gallon.
Old Dec 8, 2004 | 08:43 AM
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I've always been tempted to treat myself at the gas station and bump up the octane but don't know if I should mix octanes' since there is a little left in my tank.

Does anyone know "proper" procedure when switching octane? Or is it okay to mix a little?
Old Dec 8, 2004 | 10:28 AM
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shiot you huys got 93 and 94 at the pump....he in cali we get the ____ end of the stick and get "91" as a "premium" and thats like 2.50 a gal right now, or i could go to one of the few stations that has 100 at the pump too bad its like 5.00 plus a gal depending on where you go.....damn im jealous

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Old Dec 8, 2004 | 11:39 AM
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Once I was driving around Europe for a couple months and my buddy filled an entire tank up with Diesel. Just imagine the look on his face when they rang it up. We were def. in a Fiat van that required nothing more than 87. We were concerned for about 5 minutes until we said f--k it. We were in the middle of Spain and the van wasnt even ours, we leased it for the time over there.
Old Dec 8, 2004 | 01:05 PM
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2.06 - 2.12 for 93,
2.25 - 2.35 for 94

i remember when i used to complain about gas breaking the dollar mark... no i am going to cry when it hits the 3 dollar mark...

I'm lucky I am not on the west coast... High gas prices and lower octanes...
Old Dec 8, 2004 | 01:27 PM
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Yeah! Count your blessings. . . if we EVEN HAD 94 octane, I'm sure it would be above $3/gallon
Old Dec 8, 2004 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by suburbanstylee
Once I was driving around Europe for a couple months and my buddy filled an entire tank up with Diesel. Just imagine the look on his face when they rang it up. We were def. in a Fiat van that required nothing more than 87. We were concerned for about 5 minutes until we said f--k it. We were in the middle of Spain and the van wasnt even ours, we leased it for the time over there.
A friend of mine did the same thing with a Peugeot rental car when we were deployed to Croatia. I guess he was used to pumping diesel fuel for our military vans and trucks. It ran like sh*t but it did run....it was a rental, so we didn't really care. We did razz him for months for it though
Old Dec 8, 2004 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Nozerider
I wish I could run that high. But the price of 87 around here is average $2.66/gallon.
You need to move. its $1.87/gallon for 87 where i'm at.
Old Dec 8, 2004 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Lehne
Originally Posted by Nozerider
I wish I could run that high. But the price of 87 around here is average $2.66/gallon.
You need to move. its $1.87/gallon for 87 where i'm at.
I agree, we just hit 1.79 at the gas station I just went to get lunch.
Old Dec 8, 2004 | 07:11 PM
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2.25-2.35 for 87 in hawaii
Old Dec 8, 2004 | 07:33 PM
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About $194 for 87 in Chicago suburbs. Its been going down lately.

I only use 87 on my xB.
Old Dec 8, 2004 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by dante_b
always go with 93 myself no matter what car it is..... yeah you can tell, well atleast i can, the difference. keep using 93 its your best bet even though its more expensive
I'd like to see the dyno results on this... I'm sure the differenc in power will be HUGE... maybe 50 more horses by switching from 87 to 93?
Old Dec 8, 2004 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by fireballfish
Originally Posted by dante_b
always go with 93 myself no matter what car it is..... yeah you can tell, well atleast i can, the difference. keep using 93 its your best bet even though its more expensive
I'd like to see the dyno results on this... I'm sure the differenc in power will be HUGE... maybe 50 more horses by switching from 87 to 93?
Good grief - here we go again. Why wimp out a 93-94 run Jet Fuel like I do.. Now I can do Mach 3 or was that Warp 3...;

Gotta love the accuracy and unbiased output of the human dyno...
Old Dec 8, 2004 | 08:52 PM
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$ 1.63 for 87
$ 1.73 for 89
$ 1.83 for 94
louisville , ky as of 12/08/04
and it's cheaper outside of the 'ville.
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Old Dec 8, 2004 | 09:07 PM
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This comes straight from Shell Oil's website... (I know it's long, so I'll bold the important stuff)


What does 'Octane' mean?

Firstly, keep in mind that a gasoline’s octane rating is simply a measurement of the fuel’s ability to resist engine knocking. It does not refer to a substance or to the quantity of energy or power in the fuel.
More correctly, an octane rating is often called an “anti-knock index”.

When unburned gasoline vapours spontaneously explode in the cylinder before the expanding flame in the combustion cylinder reaches them, it actually causes two simultaneous explosions (the other is from the spark plug). This results in a knocking or pinging sound, and when an engine knocks the result is a reduction in the power it delivers.

The higher a fuel's octane number, the higher its resistance to engine knock.


Technically there are three different "octane numbers" associated with every gasoline. The Research Octane Number, or RON, is measured under fairly easy test conditions. The Motor Octane Number, or MON, is a tougher test measured at higher engine speed and temperature.

The value that relates most closely to actual driving conditions is the average of these two values: Road Octane Number = (RON + MON)/2. This Road Octane value is the one referred to in Shell stations: Shell Bronze gasoline has an octane rating of 87, Shell Silver is 89 and Shell Optimax Gold is 91.

Occasionally, less scrupulous Canadian gasoline outlets will use the confusion of these different octane measurements to exaggerate their octane rating claims, by advertising their fuel's Research Octane Number - which will be higher than the Road Octane Number. It is also a common practice in many European countries to advertise the Research Octane Number on their pumps, so you may see unexpectedly high octane values when travelling abroad. In Canada, motorists should always be sure that the octane number a vendor advertises is its Road Octane value, not its RON.

Engines in vehicles built for sale in North America are designed to a specified octane requirement to make sure they don't knock or ping (engine knocking reduces the amount of power it can deliver to turn the wheels). Once that octane level has been met, in normal instances your car will not experience more power or better mileage if you use a higher octane fuel.

In other words, if your Canadian vehicle owner's manual specifies an octane rating of 87, running on gasoline with an octane rating of 89 or 91 or more will normally not make a difference.

However, there are some exceptions to this, and it must be noted that if the owner’s manual specifies using gasoline with an octane rating of 89 or 91, then that’s what you should use because that’s what the engine is designed and tuned for.

One - and a very important - exception is that when a vehicle gets older, the normal build-up of fuel- and lubricant-related deposits in the engine can increase the fuel octane number a car requires to prevent engine knock. For this reason, if a car more than a couple of years old experiences engine knocking, the problem may be solved simply by moving to the gasoline with the next-higher anti-knock index.

You will also benefit from a higher octane rating if:

* the engine is knocking on the gasoline you are using, or
* you have knock sensor ignition that can take advantage of higher octane values at times of peak demand, or
* high summer temperatures, mountain driving, pulling heavy loads (including loaded roof racks) has temporarily increased your engine’s anti-knock index requirements.

While fuel with a higher octane rating cannot of itself deliver more power, in the above circumstances it can give an engine a greater ability to resist knocking, thereby helping it to deliver the full measure of power it is designed and tuned to provide.

In these cases, where drivers require their vehicles to continue providing peak performance despite challenging driving conditions, for improved responsiveness we recommend using a mid-grade fuel like Shell Silver (octane rating 89) or a premium fuel like Shell Optimax Gold (octane rating 91) gasolines.

One other exception is found in high-performance vehicles. The use of more complex computer algorithms in their engine control systems to control spark timing using one or more knock sensors, enables better performance on higher-octane fuel. Owner’s Manuals for most of these vehicles will specify use of 91 octane fuel.
http://www.shell.ca/code/motoring/en...es/octane.html

Read it, believe it, you're just fooling yourselves and wasting money in the process...
Old Dec 9, 2004 | 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by TheScionicMan
This comes straight from Shell Oil's website... (I know it's long, so I'll bold the important stuff)


[quoteOne other exception is found in high-performance vehicles. The use of more complex computer algorithms in their engine control systems to control spark timing using one or more knock sensors, enables better performance on higher-octane fuel. Owner’s Manuals for most of these vehicles will specify use of 91 octane fuel.



although our cars aren't "high performance" we do have vvti... will it justify everyone to go out and spend millions of dollars on race gas? no... but it does help out performance of the motor, up to a point ... not everyone can feel the difference but everyone who has an xa/xb that has also driven my car can say it feels a lot smoother then theirs...

we mainly get 87, 89, 93 and 94... so i can only choose from them...

oh and btw i live in the city with lots of commuting around town, near sea level, with a climate that varies drastically from heat to cold with a lot of snow and rain...

okay i think it's time to lock this thread... or let it die



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