i own my tc for about 2months, i finally hear something that doesn't sound right from other people, this guy i know said scion tc is just a look more than anything, the suspension is not double wishbone like the honda civic si, it's a girl car, it's a camry engine, a lot of tc running around the sf bay area...
i just checked, scion tc is just not for look and it offer something that other cars don't offer like the moon roof, and other standard features, then the suspension, the rear is double wishbone, and i know all toyota cars oem suspension are builded for comfort. so i don't expect them to be too good for a sports car, i have nothing to say if compare with honda civic si, and nothing wrong with camry engine and a lot of running around the sf bay area... i agree, but not azure pearl tc 5spd

 

well, this guy you know needs to understand that the standard tC is not in direct competition with the Civic Si. Yes, the tC is a looker more than a performer but not many people buy this car for its performance. In the performance category, the tC is a fairly normal car. The tC is good b/c of all its standard features.
Oh and tell this guy you know, the Civic Si doesnt have double wishbone in the front either.

 

hey, either you bought it, or somebody gave it to you. love it. forget the haters.

wanna be miserable? it's easy. let other peoples opinions control how you feel about yourself.

 

that guy got used to honda or got crazy of honda vtec, n i don't need that 6k+ rpm just to kick in the vtec... i just checked, civic si don't have double wishbone suspension in front, lol.. tc is not a girl car i saw most black and flint mica tc driven by a male most of the time

 

I'm also coming from Honda land and I still own a VTEC Honda but the tC is easier to live with everyday.

 

I like Honda...it's the drivers that I don't like as much.

 

 

i have no problem with honda at all, i was about to buy the civic si sedan, but 2 months before i bought my car, i changed my mind, my cousin bought the new civic sedan which she lives with me and i got to drive it whenever i want, i really hate the design of the civic, i feel like i m driving a mini van that is lowered, cuz when i sat on the front, it's hard for me to feel the car's front, n don't know when i m going to hit the front when doing parallel parking, i drove the civic a lot and i end up don't like it, which makes me change my mind to buy a tc instead, the back seat of the tc is comfort too, not for tall people... i m pretty happy right now cuz i have few thousand bucks saved on buying a tc instead of si, n the money is ready for modelification

 

^^ yeah, I agree. When I sat in the new Civic sedan, the dash was so long and the digital speedo popping up from the dash is intrusive.... pretty different from any previous Civic I had owned.

 

i forgot mention about digital speedo, when driving at night, specially on the freeway,,, it's kinda too bright and produce glare even when i adjust the dimmer to not that bright..

 

Toyota > Honda.

Honda Civic is not and never will be a fast car.
They are dependable, that's it. VTEC does not
KICK IN" having 8,000 RPM's dosen't mean ____. The RX8 has 8k and more power, and I can smoke that and a Honda S2000, the Honda S2000 brags 237 HP, woopdie doo without TQ to back it up, the only place your going is to the rear of my tC's bumper.
You can rebuild the tC block, change some sensors and modify the computer and have a 10K redline with a huge garret turbo and a built and sleeved block.
Because you have adequate TQ, and add an LSD on for better control, I'm pretty sure you could probably take on a turbo 350Z, keep in mind this build would cost about how much you paid for the car but still. 10k redline is hot.

When I take my car and drive it extremely hard and setup cones in empty parking lots, I easily go past red line and it doesn't hurt my tC at all. I do it everyday almost. The redline is 6200RPM, and I can squeeze 7 in sometimes. It's a safety feature, and all new cars have them and I'm getting tired of it, I feel like I'm driving a BMW sometimes. What next traction control? Gesus, traction control is for those volvo driving soccer moms that always have at least 3 dents, 20 scratches, a bumper cracked and at least one mirror missing. Not to mention the cigarette hanging out her mouth. I'm talking about the traction control that is overdone, not like something a supra. Anyway...

Again most people don't do extensive research on how to build the tC properly, with bolt ons and a wallet full of cash you can easily get 200HP to the wheels without forced induction. The best part about it is TQ matches HP in the tC.

Honda on the other hand, and typically Honda performance enthusiasts will be quick to tell you they have more horse power, but in the end tC dominates the civic due to lacking TQ. Not counting all of the bells and whistles you get for under 17k, it's ridiculous.

When I hear someone compare a vehicle to a gender, I automatically drop my opinion on their comprehension, intelligence, and overall life security to dilitat status.

 

Do YOU like your tC? If "yes" then that's all that matters.

 

With the long stroke on our engines i doubt much over 8k is possible even with new valves/springs/retainers etc..

 

Your right, but then again I don't know how much fabrication they had worked into their budget over at www.nittosciontc.com , that thing has 545+ WHP and the driver was complaining about injector sizes, they supposedly "couldn't find bigger injectors" the ones they where using where already double the stock I believe, sorry for the ramble.

IMO I believe JOTECH spent a bunch of money on middle of the road parts.
in the end they wound up with a basket full of garbage.

 

yea, a lot of people don't like the current line up toyota(lexus, scion) but, u don't buy a car cuz it has 200hp/140torque, or 8000redline, look how many cars toyota sell per year, n i don't mind buying another toyota car in the future

 

Exactly, it's just I'm in it for the race. I don't really have to care that much about damage to the car because it's a car I don't have to daily drive.

But I understand completely where your coming from, I'm more or less talking about performance though.

 

honda is not that fast either... people said the s2k don't have enough torque which makes it sucks, n i agree cuz i test drove it before, for nsx, i don't know n never drive it, but forget about talking the nsx anywayz... the thread will go forever like compare toyota n honda

 

he is jealous he is jealous he is jealous

hey guy I got some extra cash here$$$$$$ go buy a TC

 

ive always heard people call the azure pearl a girly color, i wanted a light color so i got white instead of the azure or silver.

 

I'm sorry most of you guys will not like hearing this but...

I'm sick and tired of people complaining that someone doesn't like they're tC and compares it to whatever. When you say that they're "hating" on you for whatever and then you talk poop about how their car doesn't have torque or a glass sunroof is just hating back isn't it? I liked having my car because I thought the owners were pretty cool. Hondas ARE GOOD CARS but had a few sour apples to ruin the bunch.

I originally wanted to stay as far away from scion as possible. I did not like the generation Y image that they were going for. IMO its all about subs, TVs, and lights. That's why they made the xA and xB. All show. Not saying that I don't have a DVD player in my car . I just like to have a bit more "*****" to what I drive from the factory than a 1.5L or 1.6L. I am an ex-prelude owner, so I wanted my next car to be able to have a little bit respect engine wise. The tC was a nice solid engine. Nothing great, but decent. I could ask for much more in the suspension department but nothing aftermarket can't fix. Other than that I just liked the potential that it had for turbo. I'm sorry if this is angering anyone, but I'm not exactly happy when I see threads like these.

Espeed get off your high horse. It's not like the corolla, which is comparable to a civic sedan, is a fast car either. Even the XRS. POS compared to a Si. Yeah a Si lacks torque and isn't as fast as a Supra. This is why cars are put into different classes. You could compare it more to a Celica GTS, Sentra SE-R. You may get off the line faster than the civic. No maybe not because our stock tires are "poop." That's about it though. Civics can be fast cars. Turbo or N/A they can be built pretty well. I love my tC to a certain extent, but not to this point where I must justify your vehicle choice by bashing another car that you feel is "lesser." I'm sure you don't like people hating on you. Don't hate on them as well.

As for you Paulwong:
You just checked this and you just checked that. Why don't you just check that there is no civic si sedan. Maybe you believed the dealer that you were really test driving a civic si sedan but it was really they're lowest of the low dx model with the poop d17 engine. As for the glass sunroof. If it's not for looks then what is it for? For me it just looks cool. I don't really use it for anything. O wait. Girls love it. It has a purpose.






I'm sure there are now people that don't really like what I had to say. If you spent the time to read this, I thank you. I'm sorry if a came off a bit harsh. Espeed just seems to have a grudge against Hondas and Paulwong just seems to be totally misinformed. I sympathize with you Paul that someone compared your car with another car that was built more with performance in mind. Don't think of it as him insulting that your car does not compare performance wise. Just think of him as misinformed to compared two different vehicles. It's like trying to compare camry with a celica gts. They're both not a ferrari, but they're both not quite on the same playing field.


Thanks for letting me vent. Go flame me or watever. Not sure if I'll see this thread again but watever.