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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by zer0myst

Just be careful, or you might end up at www.wreckedscions.com....
scary....
Old Nov 14, 2006 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Nychold
Everyone's allowed moments of stupidty and pure joy.
And when they slam into someone else, probably killing or seriously injuring them, that's ok too? It was just a "moment," after all.
Old Nov 14, 2006 | 07:01 PM
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No one can be a perfect driver ALL the time. And plus this kid's from dallas ... no one knows how to drive there, I kinda hate driving there ... but it was kinda stupid I'll say that ... unless he was on the tollway and then the speed limit goes from 55 to 85 hahahaha!
Old Nov 14, 2006 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by paul34
Originally Posted by Nychold
Everyone's allowed moments of stupidty and pure joy.
And when they slam into someone else, probably killing or seriously injuring them, that's ok too? It was just a "moment," after all.
I'm quoting a state trooper, as he handed me a ticket. It was my fault, me being stupid and not paying attention to street signs or watching my speedometer. Might not have been a direct quote, because I don't think he said 'pure', but the concept is the same: "don't do it again."

(I meant it much harsher than I guess it 'sounds' online. )
Old Nov 14, 2006 | 07:39 PM
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So you have no respect for rsx owners because 1 of them is a tool? I'm sure you don't believe they all are like that.

O and stret racing like that is stupid. If you want to race like that go to a road course
Old Nov 14, 2006 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by chazm
So you have no respect for rsx owners because 1 of them is a tool? I'm sure you don't believe they all are like that.
oh no no no not all i love honda/acura....just i know i cannot beat an RSX...but still i wish people gave the tC some credit.

i found some very useful information...ive been driving about 4 years...and there is still alot to learn as from what i read and see.

my stupid mistakes can cost someones....as they say growing older, comes with wisdom.
Old Nov 14, 2006 | 08:34 PM
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I watched a CRX flag down a VW Beetle yesterday. He barely beat the Bug, and gave the driver a thumbs down.

That guy was so cool.
Old Nov 14, 2006 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Nychold
2006 Acura RSX Type-S:

201 HP @ 7800 RPM
140 ft-lbs @ 7000 RPM
Power to Weight: 14.1


2007 Scion tC (Stock):

161 HP @ 6500 RPM
162 ft-lbs @ 4000 RPM
Power to Weight: 18.1


Look at the numbers...the RSX would mop the floor with you! The only advantage the tC has over it is the extra 22 ft-lbs of torque, and at a much lower RPM. That means it takes the RSX longer to wind up, but look at the RPMs too. The RSX goes 1500 RPMs higher than the tC. So you would get the drop on him, but in the end, the RSX would scream by you. Not to mention the top speed of the RSX is 142 while the tC is 127. 15 MPH is significant, even at over 100 MPH. Of course, the RSX Type-S is just about $9k more than the tC. Imagine what $9k can buy in performance parts.

Everyone's allowed moments of stupidty and pure joy. Just be careful, and know when to bow out. I'm not sure what speed you were already travelling, but 135 MPH (fictious or not) is still way too high for just about any street in America. And the cops won't be understanding about it.
The type s will ... the base rsx will beat us.. but not by much.. but that isnt why I posted.

You do realize that peak power numbers mean practically nothing dont you? Unless you have a power to weight graph across the whole rpm band, you can tell nothing from any of the data you posted. Yes, you can say that car will probably beat the other based on the numbers if they are far apart, but peak numbers are advertising points for those that dont know any better. It is absolutely possible for a 200hp car to mop up with a 220 hp car depending on gearing, powerband, etc. Give track times instead:

2005 RSX - Mid to high 15's if I remember correctly
2005 RSX Type S - Mid to low 14's if I remember correctly

Someone will probably post more accurate numbers, but my point is going off of peak hp numbers (which only exist at one specific point on the curve) is not a good comparison.

Top speed is meaningless if you are running 1/4 mile, cause neither car will come close to topping out in 1/4 mile. These are not sports cars (no, not even the precious type s )

And as people have said, dont be an idiot and race on the street. I wont even say how stupid that is.. you know.
Old Nov 15, 2006 | 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by engifineer
The type s will ... the base rsx will beat us.. but not by much.. but that isnt why I posted.

You do realize that peak power numbers mean practically nothing dont you? Unless you have a power to weight graph across the whole rpm band, you can tell nothing from any of the data you posted. Yes, you can say that car will probably beat the other based on the numbers if they are far apart, but peak numbers are advertising points for those that dont know any better. It is absolutely possible for a 200hp car to mop up with a 220 hp car depending on gearing, powerband, etc. Give track times instead:

2005 RSX - Mid to high 15's if I remember correctly
2005 RSX Type S - Mid to low 14's if I remember correctly

Someone will probably post more accurate numbers, but my point is going off of peak hp numbers (which only exist at one specific point on the curve) is not a good comparison.

Top speed is meaningless if you are running 1/4 mile, cause neither car will come close to topping out in 1/4 mile. These are not sports cars (no, not even the precious type s )

And as people have said, dont be an idiot and race on the street. I wont even say how stupid that is.. you know.
I looked at quarter mile times, which the RSX Type-S wins by about half a second, with equal drivers (14.9 to about 15.5, a significant advantage in the 1/4), but that's not relevant here. 1/4 mile tracks allow you to get up to about 90 or so MPH on a stock RSX or tC. It's just a fact. If these guys were racing up to 130ish, those times and speeds mean nothing. They didn't start at 0, and they didn't run for a quarter of a mile. They started at whatever, and ran for however long. And in fact, those peak numbers do mean something here, and top speed would matter to the tC. 135 is just not possible on a stock tC.

Course, none of this is very relevent, since the tC in question is NOT stock. Still fun to be hypthetical.
Old Nov 15, 2006 | 12:39 AM
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I think that Paul34 is going WAY over board. Obviously S0opa tC knows that he did something wrong. What almost all of you are forgetting is that it is JUST as dangerous to change lanes without signalling then going double the speed limit. I think that there was a mistake made and obviously next time S0opa tC is driving close to 135 or thinking about it he is going to have the thought of sitting next to bubba in a cell!
Old Nov 15, 2006 | 01:10 AM
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its like telling your parents on this board. street racing is a good rush, i wont go look for it but open road and it's open season on your a**. some people do get care less some times and thats not a good mix with speed.
Old Nov 15, 2006 | 01:11 AM
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Peak numbers still dont mean much of anything here, unless they raced at their peak power points the whole time, which is impossible. Peak power would only be a good measure if you were doing a top speed comparison and the peak was right before the rev limit for each car... but that still means nothing unless the speed limiter is removed. There is an entire power curve, and the integral of that curve (area beneath it) is what tells the tale between two cars power wise. That peak power does nothing for you if the other car is pulling harder than you all the way until you hit peak power, especially when peak power is at 7000 rpm.

I am not saying the tC should win, it should not, but you can never compare two cars based solely on peak power numbers.
Old Nov 15, 2006 | 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by BoiseAuctioneer
I think that Paul34 is going WAY over board. Obviously S0opa tC knows that he did something wrong. What almost all of you are forgetting is that it is JUST as dangerous to change lanes without signalling then going double the speed limit. I think that there was a mistake made and obviously next time S0opa tC is driving close to 135 or thinking about it he is going to have the thought of sitting next to bubba in a cell!
That comparison is ridiculous.. honestly. Driving 135 and racing on a crowded road is the same, danger wise, as changing lanes while not signaling? Yeah, somebody clipping you because they didnt see you changing lanes.. but running the same speed as you will be just as bad as you smashing into someone running over 60mph faster than them Hmm, the first will probably be a mild collision, since the speed differential between the cars is fairly low, unless the car hits the median afterward, which can happen in either accident you mentioned. The second will be like them sitting still, then you hitting them running 60.. PLUS they are then most likely going to hit the median. So now, tell me which is worse? Not to mention not signaling can be a matter of forgetfullnes, while racing at 130 on a crowded road is downright idiotic.

Hey, I am not going to sit here and preach to him.. I stated what I thought and that was it, but your argument is the reasoning many kids drive like morons thinking they are a "Race Car Driver" .

I dont care if someone gets out and opens up a little, or even finds some fun, empty twisties to responsibly push a little, but this kind of post should not be compared to forgetting to signal.
Old Nov 15, 2006 | 02:42 AM
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I dont remember saying that either one was worse then the other I just said that each COULD be as dangerous as the other and kill an innocent person. Each person makes his and her mistakes however no one is in the right position to judge another~
Old Nov 15, 2006 | 06:08 AM
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I love speeding in Dallas. No cops on the highways...at all. I've been crusing 80-90 before going home from Dallas to Ft. Worth to watch a couple cars blow by me...now that's something.
Old Nov 15, 2006 | 09:51 AM
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Has anyone drove a RSX-S. They are really nice to drive, but I wouldn't say they are that much faster. I drove a friends 2006 one day and he drove mine. He was supprised how well my TC handled. I like the RSX-S better, but he also paid around 5000 more then I did. You can really feel the difference when punching down the RSX doing 50 or so. compared to punching down our TC's.

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Old Nov 15, 2006 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by jjp735i
Has anyone drove a RSX-S. They are really nice to drive, but I wouldn't say they are that much faster. I drove a friends 2006 one day and he drove mine. He was supprised how well my TC handled. I like the RSX-S better, but he also paid around 5000 more then I did. You can really feel the difference when punching down the RSX doing 50 or so. compared to punching down our TC's.

jjp
I actually agree, I was suprised when I drove the type-s for the first time it didn't pull like the beast I thought it would. the tC (i'm assuming because of the TQ) feels as fast as the type-s but then again I never drove fast enough to actually see where the rsx would have the advantage.
Old Nov 15, 2006 | 11:41 AM
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Guys, no need for name calling or anything. What he did was dumb and I think he knows it now. If not...

S0opa, what you did was dumb. Don't do it again.

That being said, I want to add two things. First in regards to the power/numbers of cars, as Engi said, those numbers aren't automatic win/lose numbers. Frankly, I believe the driver has about as much to do with as with the numbers. I'm sorry, I've got way too much experience with people of higher spec'ed cars losing because they just didn't/couldn't drive as well as the other person. (And for those getting worried, I'm not talking about zipping around other cars, I'm talking shifting points, curves, etc.)

Secondly, yes it is stupid to road race. Unless you're on a huge, wide open one way road with barriers (Beltway 8 comes to mind if you know Houston) and there are 'no' other cars around, I don't endorse it. Just as much though, please don't suck at driving. Use your turn signals, I'm pretty sure if I find the statistics that more accidents are caused each day due to failure of a driver to use his turn signal on a highway than due to streetraces.

And for the love of god, left lane fast, right lane slow.
Old Nov 15, 2006 | 02:16 PM
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""Use your turn signals, I'm pretty sure if I find the statistics that more accidents are caused each day due to failure of a driver to use his turn signal on a highway than due to streetraces. ""
point verified
Old Nov 16, 2006 | 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by BigMURR
Originally Posted by jjp735i
Has anyone drove a RSX-S. They are really nice to drive, but I wouldn't say they are that much faster. I drove a friends 2006 one day and he drove mine. He was supprised how well my TC handled. I like the RSX-S better, but he also paid around 5000 more then I did. You can really feel the difference when punching down the RSX doing 50 or so. compared to punching down our TC's.

jjp
I actually agree, I was suprised when I drove the type-s for the first time it didn't pull like the beast I thought it would. the tC (i'm assuming because of the TQ) feels as fast as the type-s but then again I never drove fast enough to actually see where the rsx would have the advantage.
Yup, they are really lacking in le torque which we tC owners have plenty of for our car size



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