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Old Nov 4, 2007 | 10:56 PM
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Ok, many people complain about the tC for it's crappy interior, heavy body and rattling joints.

What if:

The tC had the same look (still FWD), Lexus like interior, lighter body, no rattles and same price. However, you had to give up:

2.4L engine, instead you get the Corolla 1.8 125hp
No ABS (optional) front disc/rear drums
No glass roof, no sunroof
No 17's 15in alloys instead


I guess it's basically a next gen Celica.




I know I wouldn't buy it. I'd probably buy a base RSX or Impreza.
Old Nov 4, 2007 | 10:58 PM
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What's crappy about the interior?
Old Nov 4, 2007 | 11:01 PM
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other than the stupid heavy glass roof, i have no problem with the tc how it is
Old Nov 4, 2007 | 11:07 PM
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I don't even mind the weight; I didn't buy this car so I could be the fastest. I don't find much luxury in a woodgrain steering wheel, or leather seats, etc. And I love the 2.4 2AZ and the 17" wheels, and swapping out those for 15" winter wheels that still let me maneuver through snow and slush.

I can hunt down and dampen the rattles, or I can just turn up the radio.

Though it would be interesting to see a Lexus'd tC. Maybe a V6, going easy on the luxury interior bits to focus on performance, and keeping the base price under $30 or so.
Old Nov 4, 2007 | 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by captainlaziness
What's crappy about the interior?
Well I don't think the interior is crappy with respect to the price.

Unfortunately, some people compare the tC's interior with a $50,000 luxury car and say it's crappy. Go figure.


But if I don't take price into account, the interior is made of cheap plastics. There are slight gaps in the interior. One of the cupholders in the rear has about a 3mm opening that won't snap shut. The gauge cluster moves if you play with it a little.

My wife has a Solara and the interior is as close to a lexus as one can get. But it's an expensive 4 banger car. $21,000 for a Solara seems high, but it is close to Lexus quality compared to my Scion.
Old Nov 4, 2007 | 11:14 PM
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take a look at GM's interiors. Hard unforgiving plastic, with some pieces that don't make sense, and seams galore. Mentally comparing the tC to the Chevy Equinox, Chevy Cavalier, etc., it comes out ahead. If you want a laugh, go to Edmunds and look at the Saturn Ion interior; makes no sense to me at all.

Comparing a tC to an IS350, G35, etc. isn't very fair. And for some, the fit and finish of the interior doesn't rank as highly as the functionality of it.

My mom has an '04 Celica; I like the tC better. When she bought hers, the tC had just become available, but she went for the Celica instead. To each their own.
Old Nov 4, 2007 | 11:16 PM
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http://www.nctd.com/06/06-ion-interior.jpg

That's an 06 Ion Interior, for what arbnpx was talking about. Looks like utter ____.
Old Nov 4, 2007 | 11:32 PM
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I rode in a Cobalt 2 weeks ago, rental car, and I was actually surprised with the interior, with respect to the car's price. I started pounding on the plastic panels and no rattles. The plastic also doesn't feel as cheap.

When I feel the trim around the tC's gauge, it feels a little rough, a little sanding of the plastic would've been cool. But like I said, for the money, it's a great car. It would be a rip off if Toyota sold the tC with the Corolla's engine. However, since we get the Camry's it's a great deal over all.
Old Nov 5, 2007 | 12:48 AM
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I guess the only complaint I have is the weight, for that I would get rid of the glass roof.
As far as motor, if they kept the weight down to 2500-2600 lbs, and used the 1.8L, the tC would be even more of a Civic/Cobalt competitor. It wont perform the same as it does now, but it will get better gas millage.
Old Nov 5, 2007 | 01:12 AM
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i think the interior doesnt look bad at all but if you tap on the plastic and look into the parts closely yeah it you can say theyre like cheap plastic.
Old Nov 5, 2007 | 01:14 AM
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I don't mind the weight issue. I don't feel it holding back performance to the point where I get irritated under harder driving conditions.
Old Nov 5, 2007 | 01:20 AM
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idc this is my every day car. so i want comfort, convenience, and performance/astethics (if i spelled that right) if i had a race car, id complain then. but kaminari makes a fiberglass or c/f roof. makes it 50lbs lighter but its 1000
Old Nov 5, 2007 | 01:31 AM
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I don't see any problems with the tC. If I had, then I would never have bought it.
Old Nov 5, 2007 | 02:17 AM
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People that "complain" about the Interior & Exterior of the tC....Why did u buy the car in the First Place then?...Geez!!

Plain & Simple...
Old Nov 5, 2007 | 03:34 AM
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I have had multiple cobalts for rentals... and they have crappy interiors. Not the worst out there, but my tC doesnt rattle after 43k, and it is an 05. The rentals typically have 5k or so on them.

But as far as that "heavy" glass roof, the whole assembly weighs in at about 70 lbs. Sure, it is 70 lbs high up on the car, so if you are a serious track guy it will come into play (when you decide to make your car a stripped down race car) but for the rest of us it is pretty negligible.
Old Nov 5, 2007 | 03:42 AM
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Yeah, I really like the interior too. I'll even go as far as saying that its one of the nicest ones out there ( in that price range).

The rattling joints have got to go though!!!!!
Old Nov 5, 2007 | 03:42 AM
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What if:

The tC had the same look (still FWD), Lexus like interior, lighter body, no rattles and same price. However, you had to give up:

2.4L engine, instead you get the Corolla 1.8 125hp
No ABS (optional) front disc/rear drums
No glass roof, no sunroof
No 17's 15in alloys instead
It would suck. . . And I wouldn't buy one.
Old Nov 5, 2007 | 03:46 AM
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You bring up a really good point. When all is said and done though, the TC is still only a $17-$18 k car. Realistically, do you really expect lexus quality for that price.

With that said though, I believe it is the best car for the money on the market!!!
Old Nov 5, 2007 | 03:53 AM
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the interior is more than enough for me, i didn't buy the tC expecting it to line up its weight with a lotus, and i only get rattles when i hit a bump, like a dead body or something.
Old Nov 5, 2007 | 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by engifineer
so if you are a serious track guy it will come into play (when you decide to make your car a stripped down race car)
the tc is the wrong car for track purposes.

hail to the best sports car ever (IMO)



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