Is $200+Installation Really Worth the TRD Lowering Springs?
#21
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Wow.... so much disinformation....
For daily drivers, much lower than TRD's or H-Techs are going to get you into trouble in the snow or for angles (I hate diagonally driving up ramps to driveways)... I can't run anything lower with my 19's without rubsville anyways...
Paying anything over 150 for spring installs is too much... and do not buy them from the dealer... you can get them shipped online for MUCH cheaper... and get them installed at a local shop for around 150 or so... at least save yourself a few hundred bucks
If you have a local scion club or regional area club... they probably is someone who has done them themselves... and could help you if you want to save a few bucks and learn a lot about your car's suspension..
The struts are a nice upgrade as well, but not absolutely neccesary with the smaller drop of the TRD springs...
Be aware, that dropping anything over 1.5 will start to effect your suspension geometry negatively.... as your pivot point will go lower than the center of the wheel... which isn't good for performance.... just for looks.... if you want that ballpark... coilovers are the way to go.
BTW... I run TRD's and I think it looks Damn Good...
For daily drivers, much lower than TRD's or H-Techs are going to get you into trouble in the snow or for angles (I hate diagonally driving up ramps to driveways)... I can't run anything lower with my 19's without rubsville anyways...
Paying anything over 150 for spring installs is too much... and do not buy them from the dealer... you can get them shipped online for MUCH cheaper... and get them installed at a local shop for around 150 or so... at least save yourself a few hundred bucks
If you have a local scion club or regional area club... they probably is someone who has done them themselves... and could help you if you want to save a few bucks and learn a lot about your car's suspension..
The struts are a nice upgrade as well, but not absolutely neccesary with the smaller drop of the TRD springs...
Be aware, that dropping anything over 1.5 will start to effect your suspension geometry negatively.... as your pivot point will go lower than the center of the wheel... which isn't good for performance.... just for looks.... if you want that ballpark... coilovers are the way to go.
BTW... I run TRD's and I think it looks Damn Good...
#26
Springs and Shocks
Originally Posted by Immune
Can anyone help me?
The TRD springs i can purchase at Toyota right?
How about TRD shocks i can get it there too?
I made a post.. what is the MIN DROP for TRD springs?
I hope i can get TRD shocks/springs in one place.
Also how good does Spings/Shocks last.
The TRD springs i can purchase at Toyota right?
How about TRD shocks i can get it there too?
I made a post.. what is the MIN DROP for TRD springs?
I hope i can get TRD shocks/springs in one place.
Also how good does Spings/Shocks last.
http://www.trdsparks.com/displaypart...1&parts_id=325
Ken
#29
TRD is only worth it if you don't want a low drop, and you don't want to drive aggressivly. (i.e track) Even then you can go with tein h-techs which perform a little better with the same drop.
S-techs will drop you the most if you want springs.
You aren't going to see 3'' from springs, safely anyway. If you want to be that low go buy coilovers.
Cya
S-techs will drop you the most if you want springs.
You aren't going to see 3'' from springs, safely anyway. If you want to be that low go buy coilovers.
Cya
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My TRD Springs and ground kit are JUST perfect... any lower and you'll face rubbing/curb issues
The TRD drop is almost perfect for the suspension setup.... and will suit most people perfectly...
The TRD drop is almost perfect for the suspension setup.... and will suit most people perfectly...
#32
Originally Posted by WeDriveScions
My TRD Springs and ground kit are JUST perfect... any lower and you'll face rubbing/curb issues
The TRD drop is almost perfect for the suspension setup.... and will suit most people perfectly...
The TRD drop is almost perfect for the suspension setup.... and will suit most people perfectly...
Cya
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I mean rubbing your bumber going up inclines and hitting parking curbs.... Mine JUST clears the curbs in my parking garage... so I don't have to worry about parking too far forward and I don't have to worry about rubbing the front of my bumper off going up and down driveway inclines... any lower and you get problems and have to drive diagonally too much....
Also, in regards to the setup of our tC suspension, if you drop it too much, you start getting detrimental performance... you don't want to lower the car too far, or you will change the suspension geometry to non-optimal settings....
TRD springs will suit more people's needs than S-Techs or lower options... most people don't want THAT stiff of a suspension, so in that regard, it's the perfect option to present to the general public. (an increase in performance, without TOO many comprimises in comfort and usability)
Also, in regards to the setup of our tC suspension, if you drop it too much, you start getting detrimental performance... you don't want to lower the car too far, or you will change the suspension geometry to non-optimal settings....
TRD springs will suit more people's needs than S-Techs or lower options... most people don't want THAT stiff of a suspension, so in that regard, it's the perfect option to present to the general public. (an increase in performance, without TOO many comprimises in comfort and usability)
#34
Originally Posted by WeDriveScions
I mean rubbing your bumber going up inclines and hitting parking curbs.... Mine JUST clears the curbs in my parking garage... so I don't have to worry about parking too far forward and I don't have to worry about rubbing the front of my bumper off going up and down driveway inclines... any lower and you get problems and have to drive diagonally too much....
My old GSR was dropped 3.8'' and it was a daily, i rarely ever had to touch up any paint on the bottom, and when i did it was underneath so it wasn't even something i had to do, just something i wanted to do.
TRD is not the lowest you can go without problems, you can go as low as you want providing you have experience with driving a lowered car and know what to do in certain situations, such as driveways. Its the price to pay to look good and improve cornering significantly given the right set up.
Cya
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The reality I discuss is that most people don't want to have to drive differently and comprimise ride quality "TOO" much to get a desired performance gain...
I'd suggest coil-overs to someone who wants the best of both worlds... and great performance
With the factory lip kit and trd springs, your wheel gap is perfectly uniform and when you slap on some 18's, or 19's... it looks just great... not too much need to go any further... and you can drive pretty much worry free...
to each his own... but too low... just too many comprimises.
I'd suggest coil-overs to someone who wants the best of both worlds... and great performance
With the factory lip kit and trd springs, your wheel gap is perfectly uniform and when you slap on some 18's, or 19's... it looks just great... not too much need to go any further... and you can drive pretty much worry free...
to each his own... but too low... just too many comprimises.
#36
Originally Posted by WeDriveScions
The reality I discuss is that most people don't want to have to drive differently and comprimise ride quality "TOO" much to get a desired performance gain...
I'd suggest coil-overs to someone who wants the best of both worlds... and great performance
With the factory lip kit and trd springs, your wheel gap is perfectly uniform and when you slap on some 18's, or 19's... it looks just great... not too much need to go any further... and you can drive pretty much worry free...
to each his own... but too low... just too many comprimises.
I'd suggest coil-overs to someone who wants the best of both worlds... and great performance
With the factory lip kit and trd springs, your wheel gap is perfectly uniform and when you slap on some 18's, or 19's... it looks just great... not too much need to go any further... and you can drive pretty much worry free...
to each his own... but too low... just too many comprimises.
Cya
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Wheels for Show, Wheels for Go....
Track Wheels are not as aesthetically pleasing as a pair of 19's or 20's for show's and daily driving... and changeovers are cake...
If you want performance.... shouldn't have started with a Scion anyways ... LoL.
Everything is a mix and a comprimise....
Track Wheels are not as aesthetically pleasing as a pair of 19's or 20's for show's and daily driving... and changeovers are cake...
If you want performance.... shouldn't have started with a Scion anyways ... LoL.
Everything is a mix and a comprimise....
#38
Originally Posted by WeDriveScions
Wheels for Show, Wheels for Go....
Track Wheels are not as aesthetically pleasing as a pair of 19's or 20's for show's and daily driving... and changeovers are cake...
If you want performance.... shouldn't have started with a Scion anyways ... LoL.
Everything is a mix and a comprimise....
Track Wheels are not as aesthetically pleasing as a pair of 19's or 20's for show's and daily driving... and changeovers are cake...
If you want performance.... shouldn't have started with a Scion anyways ... LoL.
Everything is a mix and a comprimise....
As far as autocross goes, the xb handles amazing. Its a light weight, which was part of the reason i bought one plus i just liked it. I've come first 6 of 8 times this season in my class, and i have beat several cars with overall times in the classes above me. Bottom line is, it doesn't really matter what car you start out with, it just matters what you want it for. I really hope to see more road course/autox threads because all of these 1/4 time chats are getting boring. No offense to anyone that does it, but theres more out there than getting to xxx in xx.xx time.
Cya
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^ I Agree.... I love my xB.... and for Auto-X, the Scions have some great potential...
I agree that 1/4 miles aren't everything, but there are different types of tuning....
Auto-X/Drag/Dyno Queens/Rally/Show...
I mix them all (Cause I love them all) and make comprimises for one or the other at times... but, that's the life...
I agree that 1/4 miles aren't everything, but there are different types of tuning....
Auto-X/Drag/Dyno Queens/Rally/Show...
I mix them all (Cause I love them all) and make comprimises for one or the other at times... but, that's the life...