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Old Jan 31, 2009 | 05:45 PM
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Default I need some info : sways, rear strut, c pillar, bushings...

I did use the search, i got more questions:

(my car is daily driver - so far i have hotchkis springs, tokico shocks and megan front strut)

Well.. front sway is too hard to install so i will stick with only the rear.
probably i will get the Progress - whats the best setting? mid or i could go with the race setting?
I know that this comes with the new endlinks but do i need to upgrade any other bushings or something?

For the front sway.. the Prothane 21mm Front Sway Bar bushings will make some difference? they are cheap.. like.. 25 dollars
( its easy to install this? or this installs as the same way if i want to change the front sway - so i couldnt install it myself)

greddy rear stur bar vs ingalls rear H brace ???


Do u guys think i need the megan c pillar bar with progress sway and rear strut? it wont be too much, since i got stock front sway?
btw im thinking to get this because they say its eliminating some roof noises

The progress rear sway comes with the hanging plate with the brand name on it? so they can read the brand from behind?
Old Feb 1, 2009 | 04:31 AM
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i cant believe this.. 30 views no reply.. wtf?
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to answer as much as i can, the progress rear bar will be fine on race setting. no you dont need to change any of the bushings cuz it should come with some to use...just use what they provide and you should be good.

for the front, if you have a stock front sway bar, you probably should not upgrade the bushings because they might not be the same size. i forgot if the front bar is 21mm or not. besides, putting on those bushings is gonna be like putting on the whole bar because they hold the bar in place. so...either you might as well do a new front bar or dont mess with it.

both the rear braces (Greddy and ingalls) will not provide too much difference. if you want a cool look, you can get the Greddy. if you want to have "more" bracing, then the 4 point is the one youll want but it wont look cool since it goes where your spare tire is.

no, you wont need a c pillar bar. frankly, having a stiffer sway, and a brace is more than enough but the bar too is just overkill, even for aesthetics. theres not gonna be much flex anyways and depending how you install it, the back seats might be unusable. i dont think itll eliminate any roof noises...if anything itll make more noise cuz it stiffens stuff up...

and uh...no idea what youre talkin about with the progress bar and hanging plate...

hope that helps?
Old Feb 1, 2009 | 04:55 AM
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to answer as much as i can, the progress rear bar will be fine on race setting. no you dont need to change any of the bushings cuz it should come with some to use...just use what they provide and you should be good.

for the front, if you have a stock front sway bar, you probably should not upgrade the bushings because they might not be the same size. i forgot if the front bar is 21mm or not. besides, putting on those bushings is gonna be like putting on the whole bar because they hold the bar in place. so...either you might as well do a new front bar or dont mess with it.

both the rear braces (Greddy and ingalls) will not provide too much difference. if you want a cool look, you can get the Greddy. if you want to have "more" bracing, then the 4 point is the one youll want but it wont look cool since it goes where your spare tire is.

no, you wont need a c pillar bar. frankly, having a stiffer sway, and a brace is more than enough but the bar too is just overkill, even for aesthetics. theres not gonna be much flex anyways and depending how you install it, the back seats might be unusable. i dont think itll eliminate any roof noises...if anything itll make more noise cuz it stiffens stuff up...

and uh...no idea what youre talkin about with the progress bar and hanging plate...

hope that helps?
Well.. this is the stuff:

http://www.newedgeperformance.com/in...ROD&ProdID=527

they say its for the stock front sway, but if u say that to change this will take just as much effort to change the whole front sway ( what i cant do myself) then i have to forget about this....

about the c pillar bar: yeah.. it might be overkill.. btw the integra c pillar have to be installed further back so it wont be in the way for the ppl in the back. so probably i should forget about this too.

rear strut: i dont care about look. some ppl say the roof cracking noise is reduced with the ingalls h brace. so i dont care if i wont see it when its installed.

about the sway and the hanging plate:




thx for the reply
Old Feb 1, 2009 | 06:04 AM
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u dont get the plate i dont think
Old Feb 1, 2009 | 06:09 AM
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I have no experience with progress, but I understand that it's very similar to the TRD rear sway bar.

The hanging plate will, most likely, NOT be visible from the back of the car. Our strut bars are vertically "higher" on the up/down axis of the car, and will likely place the hanging plate out of view.

You should use the race setting if available. Adjust softer if you get extremely sharp snap oversteer mid-turn, but it's not likely to be an issue unless you're using the Hotchkis (300% harder) setting WITHOUT installation of the front bar.

The rear strut bar probably does less than the front strut bar, since the rear strut bar's bolts immediately include and surround the main frame brace (rather than the front, being displaced 4in forward from the firewall). However, I have a rear strut bar, and I think "it doesn't hurt."

Ingalls will reinforce more areas of your car, which are not likely to make a difference handling wise, but will certainly cut down on the creaks/rattles in the trunk area. This comes at the cost of modifying or abandoning your foam inserts.
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The C-pillar bar probably doesnt do all that much, since it's within the "safety cage" of the car.

Then again, it cant hurt. 1-2lbs (tops) certainly won't make a difference.

Welded-in roll cages DO make a stiffness difference, and they have bracings similar to the C-pillar bar... but it's a much more elaborate setup.
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isnt the h brace acts as a rear strut bar also?

i mean.. rear strut bar and the H brace is connected to the same place ( to the towers)
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np, CSOCSO.

you will not get the little plate from progress...i think thats just for promotion purpose in that pic. though the new endlinks are a great addition with the package, and its only slightly stiffer than the TRD bar. i actually kinda regret not paying the 20-25 more for the progress bar because of the endlinks.
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Originally Posted by CSOCSO
isnt the h brace acts as a rear strut bar also?

i mean.. rear strut bar and the H brace is connected to the same place ( to the towers)
If what i'm thinking of is called the "h-brace", then sure.

But, if anything else, my DME bar "looks neat" without getting in the way. I can't specifically say it helped, since I installed the rear sway at the same time, which ABSOLUTELY makes a massive difference.

I'm sorry that I can't help much further.... but I encourage you to look into the suspension mods, as they've given me much more enjoyment than any power mod has.

Best of luck.
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Originally Posted by CSOCSO
isnt the h brace acts as a rear strut bar also?

i mean.. rear strut bar and the H brace is connected to the same place ( to the towers)
yeah, thats why its not gonna be much benefit. plus, you have to modify/remove the foam cubby things to put it on. up to you though, personally i think the chassis is stiff enough as is with just a sway and front strut bar.
Old Feb 1, 2009 | 06:49 AM
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no plate on the progress for us. race (most inner) setting, still daily driveable with no loss in ride quality.
no need for a c-pillar, adds little to the car's rigidity, same goes for the front or rear strut bars. if you must, the ingalls rear will probably show you the most gains, though iirc, you're screwed if you get a flat, and you have to drill holes i think (don't quote me on that)
Old Feb 1, 2009 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Aroddalobster
you're screwed if you get a flat, and you have to drill holes i think (don't quote me on that)

uhm...i dont really get it, what do you mean?
Old Feb 1, 2009 | 05:45 PM
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oh and another thing: with the rear strut bar, how do you guys put those little black plastic pieces back ( where the bolts are) ? on the pics it looks like its just under the strut bar.
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? what black plastic pieces...
Old Feb 1, 2009 | 06:24 PM
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when u put back all the panels.. there is few plastic piece which has bolts in it. you cant take that panel off without getting those bolts out

its just below the strut bar when itsinstalled.. right behind the seats
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