improving BRAKES without going Big Brake Kit?
#27
If you aren't overheating it, not much. I've used Valvoline Syn power in all my street vehicles for some years now with great results. It's priced right too.
No matter what anyone says about the superiority of their fluid, they all (with one exception) need frequent service for track duty, The only exception is Castrol SRF (about $70 a quart), and you really don't want to pay that much for a street driven car when it won't matter at all compared to the Valvoline for $5 a quart.
You're way better off to just regularly bleed the brakes and keep the fluid fresh with an affordable fluid.
No matter what anyone says about the superiority of their fluid, they all (with one exception) need frequent service for track duty, The only exception is Castrol SRF (about $70 a quart), and you really don't want to pay that much for a street driven car when it won't matter at all compared to the Valvoline for $5 a quart.
You're way better off to just regularly bleed the brakes and keep the fluid fresh with an affordable fluid.
#29
Totally. Cracking really only happens on track cars that see extreme heat. They only offer drilled for looks and dont reccomend them for track use. If you read their technical section they have a ridiculous amount of info on brakes.
#30
#31
Lo Bux has it right. Tires are the best upgrade you can make to your car (changed mine at 56 miles). SynPower is great fluid for the money, and readily available. I put EBC Redstuff pads on my tC, and they held up well on the track. They work well on the street too, but there is a some squealing. There are plenty of good pad choices if you just drive it on the street.
#33
a bigger rotor doesnt do car if you dont have a bigger caliper to grab it. the stock rotor will still grab the same amount of area.... there for it doesnt matter is the rotor is bigger. the slots in it will help with heat though....
#34
A bigger rotor means more torque from the same caliper, so it will reduce the pedal effort for the same braking force. It also means more unsprung weight, so suspension compliance is not as good as the smaller (lighter) rotor. It still will not stop you any faster, but it will increase fade resistance by increasing the rotor mass and total surface area.
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so pads and fluids are the 1st and one of the best brake upgrades!
rotors help with cooling
and bigger rotors usually require bigger calipers to full utilize its size?
rotors help with cooling
and bigger rotors usually require bigger calipers to full utilize its size?
#36
Originally Posted by hahaitzskippy
so pads and fluids are the 1st and one of the best brake upgrades!
Originally Posted by hahaitzskippy
rotors help with cooling
Originally Posted by hahaitzskippy
bigger rotors usually require bigger calipers to full utilize its size?
#38
We have a very modified car, not power modded yet but that will come. First we are getting the chassis and brakes in order, then power, as it should be done.
Upgraded the rear to sloted rotors and ceramic pads, SS lines.
Fronts totally stock, brakes are very very effective due to 235 sticky tires;)
Autocross, all the brakes I needed, 60 miles behind Mt St Helens on the way home, I had to slow down eventually because I was getting tired and a bit sea sick, lol! What a road!!!!!! I was so hard on the brakes and not a single problem, very impressed.
If only going to autocross and drag race, street drive, etc, I would probably put some powerslots up front and the same ceramic pads and SS lines.
BUT, once we get the chassis fully developed and an SCCA roll bar, turbo, etc. will do some track days and this is a part time show car, we have a set of Wilwood BBKs here going on next week if we have the time to do so. We will be able to use them on the track and bling show use, dang fine products with excellent pricing by the way (we are sponsored but I picked them as what we wanted;) We had a nice conversation to figure out what we needed for the track and came up with sloted rotors, ceramic street, etc, pads(race pads will be used on road courses), 4 pistons instead of 6 as that would take care of our needs, etc, etc.... In other words, our BBK is for a reason, not just to have them(except the show part)
As for shows though, only the true performance enthusiast will give our car much of a lookover because it will be simple, clean, no bling(a tiny bit) more like a true high performance car, that is daily driver capable if so desired and driven to all events, not a trailer or dyno queen poster child
Rick
Upgraded the rear to sloted rotors and ceramic pads, SS lines.
Fronts totally stock, brakes are very very effective due to 235 sticky tires;)
Autocross, all the brakes I needed, 60 miles behind Mt St Helens on the way home, I had to slow down eventually because I was getting tired and a bit sea sick, lol! What a road!!!!!! I was so hard on the brakes and not a single problem, very impressed.
If only going to autocross and drag race, street drive, etc, I would probably put some powerslots up front and the same ceramic pads and SS lines.
BUT, once we get the chassis fully developed and an SCCA roll bar, turbo, etc. will do some track days and this is a part time show car, we have a set of Wilwood BBKs here going on next week if we have the time to do so. We will be able to use them on the track and bling show use, dang fine products with excellent pricing by the way (we are sponsored but I picked them as what we wanted;) We had a nice conversation to figure out what we needed for the track and came up with sloted rotors, ceramic street, etc, pads(race pads will be used on road courses), 4 pistons instead of 6 as that would take care of our needs, etc, etc.... In other words, our BBK is for a reason, not just to have them(except the show part)
As for shows though, only the true performance enthusiast will give our car much of a lookover because it will be simple, clean, no bling(a tiny bit) more like a true high performance car, that is daily driver capable if so desired and driven to all events, not a trailer or dyno queen poster child
Rick
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i got grippier tires and i understand that concept very well.
and for most of you, vented rotors are useless for street cars but are benefical under racing conditions? mtn roads track etc.
and larger rotors mean u need a larger pad and caliper to utilized the increased surface area
but everyone knows the BBK's have 4 pistons or even 6 pistons.
if 2 cars both with sticky tires
car 1 has stock rotor, hawk or axxis pad (your choice) and stock caliper
vs
car 2 wilwood BBK big 4 piston kit or 6 piston kit (your choice)
who will stop in teh shorter distance?
and for most of you, vented rotors are useless for street cars but are benefical under racing conditions? mtn roads track etc.
and larger rotors mean u need a larger pad and caliper to utilized the increased surface area
but everyone knows the BBK's have 4 pistons or even 6 pistons.
if 2 cars both with sticky tires
car 1 has stock rotor, hawk or axxis pad (your choice) and stock caliper
vs
car 2 wilwood BBK big 4 piston kit or 6 piston kit (your choice)
who will stop in teh shorter distance?