Install Ingalls Damper
12-22-2005, 03:18 PM
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nice write up kaeon. how many miles do u have on your TC? rob told me that the stiffy works even better on TCs that have been broken in. i can't wait to have my Ingalls ETD pro installed next week for S3 magazine 
12-22-2005, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by FLINT
nice write up kaeon. how many miles do u have on your TC? rob told me that the stiffy works even better on TCs that have been broken in. i can't wait to have my Ingalls ETD pro installed next week for S3 magazine
12-22-2005, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by FLINT
nice write up kaeon. how many miles do u have on your TC? rob told me that the stiffy works even better on TCs that have been broken in. i can't wait to have my Ingalls ETD pro installed next week for S3 magazine
12-22-2005, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by FLINT
nice write up kaeon. how many miles do u have on your TC? rob told me that the stiffy works even better on TCs that have been broken in. i can't wait to have my Ingalls ETD pro installed next week for S3 magazine 
12-27-2005, 10:13 PM
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This is a pretty n00b question, but I'm trying to figure how the damper actually works. I mean... I know it dampens things, but it's attached between the strut tower and the engine mounting bracket - so when the torque from the engine hits, this just smooths out it's delivery to the wheels, at the expense of the chassis soaking up the vibrations? Just trying to get straight in my head what this does.
12-27-2005, 10:30 PM
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One of the disadvantage of FWD car is the vibration of the engine because it is right on the top of the wheels. It makes your tires hop a little so you will lose traction. So if you lessen the movement of the engine, the less vibration on the front wheels you get, so you will get better launch.
12-27-2005, 10:35 PM
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Ah... got it! I thought it was something related to the delivery of power from the engine to the wheels, but it sounds more like the vibration of the engine is just shaking the whole front of the car, hence the wheels have a harder time gripping, so the damper smooths out engine vibration and therefore lets the wheels grip better. Good to know.
12-27-2005, 10:51 PM
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It does also help to deliver more power to the wheels since less torque is lost due to the movement of the engine. It is held more securely which translates into smoother powe delivery. It also acts as a transmission brace since the engine and trans are directly connected. You will find your shifts will be more precise and smoother after installing this along with less wheel hop.
12-27-2005, 11:48 PM
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Sounds pretty nice - if it came with it I'd be happy or if this wasn't my daily driver I'd go for it, but translating more vibration and noise to the cabin isn't something I want to pay for right now. Too bad it can't put it somewhere magical... like the ground or something. Oh well... physics is physics.
12-28-2005, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu_Gotti
Nope.. it has to do with suspension and handling... doesn't actually "add" hp... its serves as a means of control and stability 
But even so I would think of the part more as a power adder than a handling component.
Even though it doesnt add any actual "hp", my understanding is that it does modify the torque output to the wheels, hence it should be in a performance-related category.
By your definition of the S&H class, we could potentially add any talks of polyurethane motor mounts, and even lighten components such as a pulleys, since they do not actually generate more HP and effectively increases or decreases things like wheel hop and torque steer.
I don't really care either way.. my main concern is for consistency sake, every other article ever posted on torque dampners appears in NA, which along with FI were formally Power Hungry.
12-28-2005, 04:24 PM
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My $0.02.....
The "technical" aspects of this part is that it reduces shock loads when tires lose and regain traction during driving.i.e (less wheel hop and torque steer) It also relieves shock loads on driveline components hence the better, more precise shifting with less wear and tear on tranny, exhaust and engine components. True when you stiffin the engine you are going to transfer more vibration throughout the cars chasis as opposed to the drivetrain itself but again this is all subjective.. What I think is a minimal vibration could be a big deal to someone that doesn't know what a performance vehicle really should feel like. A stock tc is WAY different than a 280+ hp tc street fighter. With the help of the dynamat around the strut tower area the majority of vibrations are countered. Basically when your engine is moving around you are being "robbed" of power and the overall performance of your vehicle..Is it a motor mod sure... is it a suspension mod sure... basically IMO it is helping both so that makes it hard to but into a specific catagory...
The "technical" aspects of this part is that it reduces shock loads when tires lose and regain traction during driving.i.e (less wheel hop and torque steer) It also relieves shock loads on driveline components hence the better, more precise shifting with less wear and tear on tranny, exhaust and engine components. True when you stiffin the engine you are going to transfer more vibration throughout the cars chasis as opposed to the drivetrain itself but again this is all subjective.. What I think is a minimal vibration could be a big deal to someone that doesn't know what a performance vehicle really should feel like. A stock tc is WAY different than a 280+ hp tc street fighter. With the help of the dynamat around the strut tower area the majority of vibrations are countered. Basically when your engine is moving around you are being "robbed" of power and the overall performance of your vehicle..Is it a motor mod sure... is it a suspension mod sure... basically IMO it is helping both so that makes it hard to but into a specific catagory...