tC vs Si & GTi
04-18-2011, 10:10 AM
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tC vs Si & GTi
Before I bought my tC I was going to buy a 2010 GTi or 2011 Civic Si
I drove all of them I love Hondas but after I drove the 2011 tC I loved it
yes I know the tC is not meant to compete with them but for price it is very close I got mine for 21.5K OTD LA sales tax and other two 26k OTD
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2011 Scion tC
PRICE AS TESTED $21,923 ENGINE 2.4L/180-hp/173-lb-ft DOHC 16-valve I-4 TRANSMISSION 6-speed manual CURB WEIGHT 3093 lb 0-60 MPH 6.5 sec QUARTER MILE 15.1 sec @ 92.4 mph BRAKING, 60-0 MPH 124 ft LATERAL ACCELERATION 0.81 g (avg) MT FIGURE EIGHT 27.5 sec @ 0.62 g (avg)
2010 GTi
Price as tested $30,724 Engine 2.0L/200-hp/207-lb-ft turbocharged DOHC 16-valve I-4 Transmission 6-speed twin-clutch auto Curb weight 3204 0-60 mph 5.8 sec Quarter mile 14.5 sec @ 96.7 mph Braking, 60-0 mph 113 ft Lateral acceleration 0.91 g (avg) MT figure eight 26.5 sec @ 0.67 g (avg)
2006 Si same thing as 11
Engine type I-4, alum block/head Valvetrain DOHC, 4 valves/cyl 197 hp @ 7800 rpm Torque (SAE net) 139 lb-ft @ 6100 rpmTransmission 6-speed manual Curb weight 2862 lbs 0-60 6.7 Quater mile 15.2 sec @ 93.5 mph Braking, 60-0 mph 123 ft Lateral acceleration 0.89 g avg MT Figure Eight 26.8 sec @ 0.64 g avg
but if you ask me after looking at the specs I think Toyota secretly wanted for a cheaper price
I drove all of them I love Hondas but after I drove the 2011 tC I loved it
yes I know the tC is not meant to compete with them but for price it is very close I got mine for 21.5K OTD LA sales tax and other two 26k OTD
Motor Trend Test
2011 Scion tC
PRICE AS TESTED $21,923 ENGINE 2.4L/180-hp/173-lb-ft DOHC 16-valve I-4 TRANSMISSION 6-speed manual CURB WEIGHT 3093 lb 0-60 MPH 6.5 sec QUARTER MILE 15.1 sec @ 92.4 mph BRAKING, 60-0 MPH 124 ft LATERAL ACCELERATION 0.81 g (avg) MT FIGURE EIGHT 27.5 sec @ 0.62 g (avg)
Price as tested $30,724 Engine 2.0L/200-hp/207-lb-ft turbocharged DOHC 16-valve I-4 Transmission 6-speed twin-clutch auto Curb weight 3204 0-60 mph 5.8 sec Quarter mile 14.5 sec @ 96.7 mph Braking, 60-0 mph 113 ft Lateral acceleration 0.91 g (avg) MT figure eight 26.5 sec @ 0.67 g (avg)
2006 Si same thing as 11
Engine type I-4, alum block/head Valvetrain DOHC, 4 valves/cyl 197 hp @ 7800 rpm Torque (SAE net) 139 lb-ft @ 6100 rpmTransmission 6-speed manual Curb weight 2862 lbs 0-60 6.7 Quater mile 15.2 sec @ 93.5 mph Braking, 60-0 mph 123 ft Lateral acceleration 0.89 g avg MT Figure Eight 26.8 sec @ 0.64 g avg
but if you ask me after looking at the specs I think Toyota secretly wanted for a cheaper price
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04-18-2011, 04:21 PM
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Funny you bring this up...those are the same vehicles I compared it too as well!
While some people in corporate may not agree, the actual target consumer was the same consumer who would have considered the vehicles you mentioned. The difference is clearly price (and in some cases performance).
For Scion, the point is to accessorize, so a lot of the specs you gain in the others are left out for you to add as you wish to the Scion brand. Wheels, tires, brakes, intakes, exhausts, etc may not show immediate power gains, but to the consumer, they allow you to achieve the same level of enjoyment (or greater) from a vehicle at a lower cost than the competition, especially if you planned on modding those as well.
I really liked the GTi but the pricetag is still a little high. Its a great vehicle though! The Si hasn't really changed for the better since 2006 other than getting a face lift in 2009 that is either a love it or hate it change. The nicest feature it has for performance is a helical LSD, which both the tC and the GTi are missing (the GTi has an XDS LSD, which is electronic and does not work as well as mechanical).
But really, once modded, the tC is as fun if not more fun than the others in my opinion. Not only do you have something more unique, but you have something a lower cost to boot.
While some people in corporate may not agree, the actual target consumer was the same consumer who would have considered the vehicles you mentioned. The difference is clearly price (and in some cases performance).
For Scion, the point is to accessorize, so a lot of the specs you gain in the others are left out for you to add as you wish to the Scion brand. Wheels, tires, brakes, intakes, exhausts, etc may not show immediate power gains, but to the consumer, they allow you to achieve the same level of enjoyment (or greater) from a vehicle at a lower cost than the competition, especially if you planned on modding those as well.
I really liked the GTi but the pricetag is still a little high. Its a great vehicle though! The Si hasn't really changed for the better since 2006 other than getting a face lift in 2009 that is either a love it or hate it change. The nicest feature it has for performance is a helical LSD, which both the tC and the GTi are missing (the GTi has an XDS LSD, which is electronic and does not work as well as mechanical).
But really, once modded, the tC is as fun if not more fun than the others in my opinion. Not only do you have something more unique, but you have something a lower cost to boot.
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04-18-2011, 09:33 PM
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...its a VW, they are naturally heavy pigs. But really, most Euro cars are very heavy as they overkill the body of the vehicle for various reasons including longevity, insulation, and safety. Unfortunately it seems they fail to put the same kind of effort into electrical systems and drivetrain components...
04-25-2011, 04:42 AM
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I traded my Gti for my tC, best thing I've done. I had almost 2000 dollars dumped into that car and it wasn't half as fun as the tC. that and chicks really dig the tC!!
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04-25-2011, 07:03 AM
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The tC seems a good bit less performance focused than the other two. It puts on performance airs, but in the end, it seems like more an alternative to a Civic Coupe in EX trim, or (given the wider stance and larger engine), a budget alternative to the Accord Coupe or Altima Coupe.
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I've own 3 Volkswagens.. I use to have a nice GLi and i wanted another Volkswagen.. the dealer was being a _____ and didn't even let me sit in the car.. anyways.. I'm glad I went with the tC.. it isn't such a headache.. so the GTi can be faster but man the headache and money pit it digs is by far not worth it.. unless you know, you're a millionaire which you prob wouldn't of even considered a tC haha
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11-12-2011, 01:08 PM
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2012 Scion tC VS 2012 Si
The current-generation Scion tC that was released as a 2011 model shows vast performance and utility improvements over the extremely successful first-generation Scion tC. The 2011 and 2012 Scion tC feature a more powerful engine, improved suspension, better creature comforts and more aggressive styling. All these improvements come in at just a few dollars more than the first-generation tC. In the sub-$20K category, there’s really nothing else that offers the bang-for-the-buck value of the Scion tC. While not a pure-bred sportscar, the Scion tC is still a sporty coupe and inevitably some will end up at the track. In fact, the 2011 Scion tC built up by Crawford Performance joined us this year during our new car evaluations. With just some minor upgrades, this Scion had us believing that tC stood for “track capable.”
The Foundation
If you are in the market for a sporty two-door front-wheel-drive vehicle, there are really only two choices: the Scion tC or the Honda Civic Si. If you open up your selection to include four-door options, there’s the MAZDASPEED3 and Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V to add to the list. To understand the value in the Scion tC platform, you have to consider the competition.
The 2012 Honda Civic Si delivers a higher-horsepower rating, a more track capable suspension and a 200-pound lighter vehicle with richer interior appointments. Unfortunately, these benefits come at a cost of nearly $4,000 more than the Scion tC, putting it out of reach for many buyers. However, it does pose an obvious question. Can the Scion tC outperform the Civic Si with less than $4,000 in upgrades?
Let’s say the prospect of 4-doors is OK with you, then the SE-R and the MAZDASPEED3 can be considered. Unfortunately the SE-R comes in about $1,500 higher in price while delivering just a slight performance improvement on the track, but not on the strip. The MAZDASPEED3 is a major step up in performance thanks to its turbocharged engine that delivers a 65 wheel horsepower advantage on the dyno. This power advantage allows the MAZDASPEED3 to dominate the Scion tC on the track and at the strip. However, the cost for the performance advantage is just over $5,000 and with four doors you’re more likely to be the taxi when caravanning with friends. With a base price of $23,700, the MAZDASPEED3 approaches the budget of some capable rear-wheel-drive and all-wheel-drive offerings. When the above logic is followed, the conclusion is that the Scion tC is likely to be a popular choice for many interested in a sporty coupe.
The Upgrades
According to Quirt Crawford of Crawford Performance, “I wish there was more aftermarket support for the Scion tC. There’s just not enough performance parts available yet.” DSPORT couldn’t agree more. Specifically, we’d love to see an aftermarket LSD option for those looking to track the vehicle. Our wish list would also include engine-management tuning solutions, high-performance camshafts and some complete forced induction systems.
As for the Crawford-spec tC, the list of upgrades is surprisingly minimal. There’s a Crawford Performance axle-back Gymkhana-series exhaust, TEIN Super Street coilover kit and a set of Toyo R888 255/35R18 mounted on Advan RG-D wheels. Of course the premium nature of these products come at a premium price that will set you back about $400 for the exhaust, $1,500 for the coilovers, $2,500 for the wheels and $1,100 for the tires. All totaled, this will set you back about $5,500. Of course, the ever-popular RPF1 wheels from ENKEI would be another possible option that would save about $1,000 over the Advan RG-D wheels.
The Results
The Crawford-spec Scion tC has been extremely competitive in TT-E class of the NASA Socal track series earning podium finishes at 90-percent of the events attended. As for bottom line numbers, the track times improved from a best lap of 1:33.744 to a 1.31.792 when driven by professional driver Tyler McQuarrie at the Streets of Willow. For comparison, the Civic Si had a best lap of 1:32.700. Hence, the Crawford tC was nearly a full second quicker. On the dragstrip, we had Publisher Michael Ferrara and professional driver Stephan Papadakis make passes in all three vehicles. Stephan was able to get the quickest time in the stock tC; managing a 15.811 at 87.14 MPH. Michael drove to the quickest time in the Crawford tC with a 15.376-second pass at 88.17 MPH. For comparison, the quickest run in the Civic was a 15.579-second pass that terminated at 88.79 MPH, when driven by Stephan. The Crawford-spec tC was quicker than the Civic at the strip despite upgrades that were designed for improving track times. As for the question we asked, we think it’s definitely possible to get the Scion tC to outperform the Civic Si with $4,000 in upgrades.
The Bottom Line
The newest-generation Scion tC has proven to have potential. With some aftermarket support and the availability of a turbocharger system on the horizon from GReddy and some other suppliers, there may just be a viable FWD platform to play with again. In fact, we may soon be adding a Scion tC to our D’GARAGE project car stable. Stay tuned.
http://dsportmag.com/specials/spl4/tracking-the-tc
The current-generation Scion tC that was released as a 2011 model shows vast performance and utility improvements over the extremely successful first-generation Scion tC. The 2011 and 2012 Scion tC feature a more powerful engine, improved suspension, better creature comforts and more aggressive styling. All these improvements come in at just a few dollars more than the first-generation tC. In the sub-$20K category, there’s really nothing else that offers the bang-for-the-buck value of the Scion tC. While not a pure-bred sportscar, the Scion tC is still a sporty coupe and inevitably some will end up at the track. In fact, the 2011 Scion tC built up by Crawford Performance joined us this year during our new car evaluations. With just some minor upgrades, this Scion had us believing that tC stood for “track capable.”
The Foundation
If you are in the market for a sporty two-door front-wheel-drive vehicle, there are really only two choices: the Scion tC or the Honda Civic Si. If you open up your selection to include four-door options, there’s the MAZDASPEED3 and Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V to add to the list. To understand the value in the Scion tC platform, you have to consider the competition.
The 2012 Honda Civic Si delivers a higher-horsepower rating, a more track capable suspension and a 200-pound lighter vehicle with richer interior appointments. Unfortunately, these benefits come at a cost of nearly $4,000 more than the Scion tC, putting it out of reach for many buyers. However, it does pose an obvious question. Can the Scion tC outperform the Civic Si with less than $4,000 in upgrades?
Let’s say the prospect of 4-doors is OK with you, then the SE-R and the MAZDASPEED3 can be considered. Unfortunately the SE-R comes in about $1,500 higher in price while delivering just a slight performance improvement on the track, but not on the strip. The MAZDASPEED3 is a major step up in performance thanks to its turbocharged engine that delivers a 65 wheel horsepower advantage on the dyno. This power advantage allows the MAZDASPEED3 to dominate the Scion tC on the track and at the strip. However, the cost for the performance advantage is just over $5,000 and with four doors you’re more likely to be the taxi when caravanning with friends. With a base price of $23,700, the MAZDASPEED3 approaches the budget of some capable rear-wheel-drive and all-wheel-drive offerings. When the above logic is followed, the conclusion is that the Scion tC is likely to be a popular choice for many interested in a sporty coupe.
The Upgrades
According to Quirt Crawford of Crawford Performance, “I wish there was more aftermarket support for the Scion tC. There’s just not enough performance parts available yet.” DSPORT couldn’t agree more. Specifically, we’d love to see an aftermarket LSD option for those looking to track the vehicle. Our wish list would also include engine-management tuning solutions, high-performance camshafts and some complete forced induction systems.
As for the Crawford-spec tC, the list of upgrades is surprisingly minimal. There’s a Crawford Performance axle-back Gymkhana-series exhaust, TEIN Super Street coilover kit and a set of Toyo R888 255/35R18 mounted on Advan RG-D wheels. Of course the premium nature of these products come at a premium price that will set you back about $400 for the exhaust, $1,500 for the coilovers, $2,500 for the wheels and $1,100 for the tires. All totaled, this will set you back about $5,500. Of course, the ever-popular RPF1 wheels from ENKEI would be another possible option that would save about $1,000 over the Advan RG-D wheels.
The Results
The Crawford-spec Scion tC has been extremely competitive in TT-E class of the NASA Socal track series earning podium finishes at 90-percent of the events attended. As for bottom line numbers, the track times improved from a best lap of 1:33.744 to a 1.31.792 when driven by professional driver Tyler McQuarrie at the Streets of Willow. For comparison, the Civic Si had a best lap of 1:32.700. Hence, the Crawford tC was nearly a full second quicker. On the dragstrip, we had Publisher Michael Ferrara and professional driver Stephan Papadakis make passes in all three vehicles. Stephan was able to get the quickest time in the stock tC; managing a 15.811 at 87.14 MPH. Michael drove to the quickest time in the Crawford tC with a 15.376-second pass at 88.17 MPH. For comparison, the quickest run in the Civic was a 15.579-second pass that terminated at 88.79 MPH, when driven by Stephan. The Crawford-spec tC was quicker than the Civic at the strip despite upgrades that were designed for improving track times. As for the question we asked, we think it’s definitely possible to get the Scion tC to outperform the Civic Si with $4,000 in upgrades.
The Bottom Line
The newest-generation Scion tC has proven to have potential. With some aftermarket support and the availability of a turbocharger system on the horizon from GReddy and some other suppliers, there may just be a viable FWD platform to play with again. In fact, we may soon be adding a Scion tC to our D’GARAGE project car stable. Stay tuned.
http://dsportmag.com/specials/spl4/tracking-the-tc
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11-12-2011, 03:29 PM
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I too was looking into those cars mentioned before I got the Tc but there is just 1 thing that stop me from purchasing it.
1. I want to stand out and be totally different from all other cars on the road.
And I have achieved it. When I drive the Tc, almost 95% of people will look at my car first then the other cars.
For the Honda Si, in order to get stared at you will need to invest some money in upgrading the body part. Make it look like a Mugen RR or Type R, THEN you will get people staring at you or it will just look like every other Honda Civic Coupe or Sedan.
The Gti does stand out but it too look like the 2.5L Golf or rabbit.
I like how Tc is just Tc. There's no other models within it's category. Well besides the RS but thats special edition..
1. I want to stand out and be totally different from all other cars on the road.
And I have achieved it. When I drive the Tc, almost 95% of people will look at my car first then the other cars.
For the Honda Si, in order to get stared at you will need to invest some money in upgrading the body part. Make it look like a Mugen RR or Type R, THEN you will get people staring at you or it will just look like every other Honda Civic Coupe or Sedan.
The Gti does stand out but it too look like the 2.5L Golf or rabbit.
I like how Tc is just Tc. There's no other models within it's category. Well besides the RS but thats special edition..
11-12-2011, 07:04 PM
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^ahaha same as number..
really 1st choice is mazdaspeed3. but then i ddnt know tc2 arrived. i saw it on the dealer and im a huge fan of scion epecially tc. so i chose the tc2 over mazdaspeed3...
for si? it's expensive for me. and eldest bro already has 09si sedan. i drove it before him. and i liked it. but still. lolz
i like them VW too. it's like my 3rd on my list.
really 1st choice is mazdaspeed3. but then i ddnt know tc2 arrived. i saw it on the dealer and im a huge fan of scion epecially tc. so i chose the tc2 over mazdaspeed3...
for si? it's expensive for me. and eldest bro already has 09si sedan. i drove it before him. and i liked it. but still. lolz
i like them VW too. it's like my 3rd on my list.
11-12-2011, 09:06 PM
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Funny thing is that adding up all the parts installed in my car... hks axleback $413..injen coldair $237..weapon r headers $298..quick shifter $115..motor mount $115...weapon r throttle $75....thats $1253..with all this i will f**k a civic up! add $600-700 bucks for better tires thats 1953 so 2000k give or take and theres no way a stock civic si is touching you and you still have about 1500 to play with before u even hit the price of a stock civic si
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11-12-2011, 09:10 PM
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Im a honda tuner, had a 95 civic thats been turboed blown and re built, then passed to my sibling, mom got a 2012 si the week i got my rs7. and to be honest liek u said the difference in them is verry minimal performance wise.
For my style of driving, im an ebrake ***** on downhill runs by my house and as such the TC's rear suspension handles a lot better, but the SI does have LSD and a better feel on the gear box. But a short shifter for a couple hundred cleans up the TCs issues pretty well imo.
For my style of driving, im an ebrake ***** on downhill runs by my house and as such the TC's rear suspension handles a lot better, but the SI does have LSD and a better feel on the gear box. But a short shifter for a couple hundred cleans up the TCs issues pretty well imo.
11-12-2011, 10:18 PM
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I sure it doesnt matter but the 2011 tC does not do 0-60 in 6.5 sec! Its more like 7.6!
Motortrend article!
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...e/viewall.html
Auto is 8.6
Motortrend article!
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...e/viewall.html
Auto is 8.6
11-12-2011, 11:47 PM
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Little Fun
12/12/2011 DSPORT MAG Test
91 oct all cars
Dynojet
Acceleration Fontana Auto Club
Dyno
FWD N/A
2012 TC 2.5 L
180 hp
175.1 whp
2012 SE-R Spec V 2.5 L
200 hp
192.63 whp
2012 SI 2.4 L
201 hp
186 whp
2012 XB 2.4 L
158hp
134.96 whp
RWD
2012 Genesis 2.0T
210 hp
196.2
2012 camaro SS 6.2 L
416 hp
308.13 whp
AWD
2012 GT-R 3.8 TT
530 hp
465.1 whp
2012 STI 2.5T
305 hp
244 whp
Acceleration 0-60 1/4 MSRP $ temp 90 to 100 degree
2012 TC $ 18,575
7.46 15.811 87.14 mph same exact time I got
2012 SI $ 22,205
7.7 15.579 88.79 mph
2012 Se-R $20,620
6.3 16.143 87.22 mph
2012 Genesis 2.0t $ 22,250
6.9 15.2 89 mph
2012 SS $31,920
5.74 13.825 102.01 mph
2012 STI $33,995
4.90 13.594 101.27 mph
2012 GT-R $89,950
3.44 11.327 119.77 mph
91 oct all cars
Dynojet
Acceleration Fontana Auto Club
Dyno
FWD N/A
2012 TC 2.5 L
180 hp
175.1 whp
2012 SE-R Spec V 2.5 L
200 hp
192.63 whp
2012 SI 2.4 L
201 hp
186 whp
2012 XB 2.4 L
158hp
134.96 whp
RWD
2012 Genesis 2.0T
210 hp
196.2
2012 camaro SS 6.2 L
416 hp
308.13 whp
AWD
2012 GT-R 3.8 TT
530 hp
465.1 whp
2012 STI 2.5T
305 hp
244 whp
Acceleration 0-60 1/4 MSRP $ temp 90 to 100 degree
2012 TC $ 18,575
7.46 15.811 87.14 mph same exact time I got
2012 SI $ 22,205
7.7 15.579 88.79 mph
2012 Se-R $20,620
6.3 16.143 87.22 mph
2012 Genesis 2.0t $ 22,250
6.9 15.2 89 mph
2012 SS $31,920
5.74 13.825 102.01 mph
2012 STI $33,995
4.90 13.594 101.27 mph
2012 GT-R $89,950
3.44 11.327 119.77 mph
11-13-2011, 12:10 AM
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Descendant Turbo Kit: Scion tC 2011 $4,250.00
3 " exhaust $600
Tune $700
$5,550 = 300 WHP
$18,575 + $5,550 = $24,125 300 WHP
Rims + Coilovers + Tires
$1000 + $1000 + $800 = $2,800
$24,125 + $2,800 = $26,925
Yes or No !!!!!!!!!!!!!
3 " exhaust $600
Tune $700
$5,550 = 300 WHP
$18,575 + $5,550 = $24,125 300 WHP
Rims + Coilovers + Tires
$1000 + $1000 + $800 = $2,800
$24,125 + $2,800 = $26,925
Yes or No !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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11-13-2011, 02:54 AM
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You could get a 2011-12 V-6 Model Mustang for around 22,000 right now. Ford is offering a few rebates. Just talking to a salesman the other day, he dropped from 24k to 22k in 5 minutes. I did not even test drive it because I knew I would have bought it. Gotta check insurance rates on it first. Thanks to the rednecks of the world, Mustangs are one of the highest cars to insure. I know it's not rice but they are built to take abuse and are getting great reviews. RWD, six speed and 300+ h.p close to 300lbs of tq. too!!! They are a bit heavy, around 3800lbs but the h.p. and tq. will take care of that. Drop springs and wheels and you got your self a sick ride that the Tc2, Si and quite a few others can't touch. Plus if you have already bought aftermarket wheels like I have, they fit the Mustang bolt pattern and offset. New hubcentric rings would be all you need.You also could get the V-6 Camaro for same price roughly too. Both get the same fuel economy as the Tc2. Warranty is better for Ford and Chevy right now as well.
11-13-2011, 04:17 AM
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You could get a 2011-12 V-6 Model Mustang for around 22,000 right now. Ford is offering a few rebates. Just talking to a salesman the other day, he dropped from 24k to 22k in 5 minutes. I did not even test drive it because I knew I would have bought it. Gotta check insurance rates on it first. Thanks to the rednecks of the world, Mustangs are one of the highest cars to insure. I know it's not rice but they are built to take abuse and are getting great reviews. RWD, six speed and 300+ h.p close to 300lbs of tq. too!!! They are a bit heavy, around 3800lbs but the h.p. and tq. will take care of that. Drop springs and wheels and you got your self a sick ride that the Tc2, Si and quite a few others can't touch. Plus if you have already bought aftermarket wheels like I have, they fit the Mustang bolt pattern and offset. New hubcentric rings would be all you need.You also could get the V-6 Camaro for same price roughly too. Both get the same fuel economy as the Tc2. Warranty is better for Ford and Chevy right now as well.
But, I think a lot of us bought our tC's to be unique. I have seen no more than 6 2nd gen tC’s in my entire state; most of which at Scikotics meets, and I didn’t see ANY 2nd gens when I was in New Orleans, a HUGE city, last week. I looked at near everything in the above lists, plus SS Camaros, and Kia Optima SX. I’m not bragging, but $35k was not out of my price range. However, I drive 50 miles per day. I could not justify the depreciation loss due to the high mileage I would put on a vehicle, in the over $30k range, or even the $25k range. The hit in resale value I will take on the tC is justifiable, because of the price. (problem I have now is I love this tC so much, I want to buy a beater and keep miles off my baby!) Plus like many have said, everywhere I go I see a Civic/Mustang/Camaro. I would even bet $1000 (no joke) I could drive to the store right NOW; 11:00pm, less than 2 miles away, even in this small town I live in, and see at least one of those three cars. In the town I currently live in, I am the ONLY tC in it, including 1st Gens. People look at my car constantly; I’ve been asked “who makes that?” more than once. It’s almost annoying, but in a good way.
11-13-2011, 04:45 AM
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Some of us buy cars for performance and not to show off to people. For 22k 300hp in a good handling RWD platform is a damn good deal. For 17.5k 160 hp in a solid platform(compared to corollas and civics) was a good deal 4 years ago even though everyone and their sister(especially their sister) had a tC too. I don't care, it puts a smile on my face. If I were to buy a car right now the mazda2 and yaris SE would top my list. They sacrifice a lot for outstanding handling which is what I really care about. Also it's really, really cheap and can be very fun.
11-13-2011, 05:40 AM
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Location: Houston, TX
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Some of us buy cars for performance and not to show off to people. For 22k 300hp in a good handling RWD platform is a damn good deal. For 17.5k 160 hp in a solid platform(compared to corollas and civics) was a good deal 4 years ago even though everyone and their sister(especially their sister) had a tC too. I don't care, it puts a smile on my face. If I were to buy a car right now the mazda2 and yaris SE would top my list. They sacrifice a lot for outstanding handling which is what I really care about. Also it's really, really cheap and can be very fun.
I KNEW someone would look at that single line and find a starting point to undermine my entire argument. I looked at it 10 times and could not think of a better way to word it... My point was, anyone who knows even the slightest about cars is going to know that's a V6 and not a "real" muscle car, including the driver. A guy I work with bought a V6 Camaro and he hates it; not because it doesn’t perform like he thought it would, but because in the back of his mind, he may as well be driving an Accord or Camary. And if you’re going to buy that type of car "for performance and not to show off to people" I’m sure millions would agree with me when I say: pay the extra money for the motor that truly performs. Just keep your tail end waxed and clean, in the off chance you want to show off.