Deathscythe40

So I went to a local meet this weekend and a couple of tC1s called me out to race now I have not been to local race meet in a couple of years I just went to watch so I didn't race
so this is just a basic road test comparison for fun cars tested by car and driver

tC1
VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, front-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 3-door coupe

PRICE AS TESTED: $17,719

ENGINE TYPE: inline-4, aluminum block and head

Displacement: 144 cu in, 2362cc
Power (SAE net): 160 bhp @ 5700 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 163 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm

TRANSMISSIONS: 5-speed manual

DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 106.3 in Length: 174.0 in
Width: 69.1 in Height: 55.7 in
Curb weight: 3016 lb

C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 7.4 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 20.9 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 8.0 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 15.7 sec @ 88 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 179 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.81 g

FUEL ECONOMY:
EPA city driving: 22 mpg
EPA highway driving: 30 mpg
C/D-observed fuel economy: 24 mpg

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...8c547ac436.pdf


tC2
VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, front-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 3-door hatchback

PRICE AS TESTED: $18,995 (base price: $18,995)

ENGINE TYPE: DOHC 16-valve inline-4, aluminum block and head, port fuel injection

Displacement: 152 cu in, 2494 cc
Power (SAE net): 180 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 173 lb-ft @ 4100 rpm

TRANSMISSION: 6-speed manual

DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 106.3 in Length: 174.0 in
Width: 70.7 in Height: 55.7 in
Curb weight: 3090 lb

C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 6.9 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 19.2 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 7.3 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 15.4 sec @ 91 mph
Top speed (drag limited): 133 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 171 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.86 g

FUEL ECONOMY:
EPA city/highway driving: 23/31 mpg
C/D observed: 23 mpg

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...2423f57dcf.pdf

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Deathscythe40

Now if you click on the links there are the spec sheets:

tC1 vs tC2
0-110mph 28.4 vs 24.5 seconds

tC1
Top-gear acceleration, 30–50 mph . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8.5
50–70 mph . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9.0

tC2
Top-gear acceleration, 30–50 mph . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11.3
50–70 mph . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11

it looks like a extra gear and 20 HP give you better top end
but in a top gear acceleration tC2 is a loser

I wanted to put this up because every time I meet a tC1 they go on about how that the tC1 is better then the tC2 and how the tC1 will smoke a tC2 but, matter of fact Scion improved the car in every way at the cost you pay $1300 more for it

I know people are going to have their opinions I say lets have it

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jman07jb

iTrader: (5)

Well I'm sure this has been discussed PLENTY of times before but all im gonna bring up is that's stock. And im sure the majority of people here/out there have at least some mods on their rides which will vary it maybe sparingly but sometimes a significant amount. I have an tC1 auto so i really cant talk for speed here but IMO you will rarely have a race where both cars are stock. At least in my experiences

TCpete

i duno but every tC2 ive raced has been the slowest cow ever... ive driven it.. its slow IMO... numbers dont mean much when it comes to actual experience.

TankedPilot

If you are looking for speed, I would recommend a different car...

youngflyer

the numbers are so close i would expect that its a drivers race!

Kriscerosaurus

Seconded.

dropzone

^Third-ed.

Agreed also on being a driver's race.

MightyP

iTrader: (1)

^ Agreed on both accounts. I love my tC but it's not a sports car, it's a sporty car.

eddystc

I raced my buddy on tge freeway 3rd and 4th gear and he was right next to me both gears. Mine was stock and his car had header wich i dont think it gives him a whole lot with the rest of the exhaust being stock. IMO i think they run about the same, ive driven his car b4 and really theres not a big difference from my car. I got a tc2 and he got a 2006 tc. We r planning on taking the cars to the 1/4 track but idk when.

chicotunner07

those extra 70-80 pounds dont help the tc2 either, it would be a drivers race.

Deathscythe40

First of all love the comments second I never said the tC is a sports car but if you are on a Forum chances are you either modified your car or are planning to why to make a car perform better the word is called tuning
but this thread is not about drivers its about the cars and test shows a 2011 tC is better from its power to its braking listen I can throw a random person in a 370Z who cant drive stick and say I smoked a 370Z.
This why we got car magazines and so on to take driver variable out my friends the test shows stock for stock the tC2 outperforms so there is no argument the facts are facts not opinions.

Car tuning is both an industry and a hobby, in which an automobile, motor bike, scooter or moped is modified in order to improve its performance, handling and presentation and improve the owner's driving style.
As most vehicles leave the factory set up for average driver expectations and average conditions, tuning has become a way to personalize the characteristics of the vehicle to the owner's preference.
For example, they may be altered to provide better fuel economy, produce more power at high RPM or the ride comfort may be sacrificed to provide better handling.

chicotunner07

so i dont get the purpose of this thread? someone called you out and you feel the need to defend your tC2 on the web?

its the intranetz bro, opinions run this b**ch! lol

as long as your happy with your car, who cares!!!

Jon

So on paper, one slow car is faster than another slow car. Congrats.

NickF127

Now.. Celica GT-S vs tC2
GOGOGOGO

tyap

LOL

Deathscythe40

I pretty sure the negative feedback is from tC1 owners
look for the last time this thread is not about if a Scion tC is a sports car which is not just a comparison between two stock cars and far as goes
defending myself that is a good one I am not stupid enough to get my car impounded and out a couple of G's to prove a point.

Second, I used to go the LACR very often back in the day and the fastest tC1's would run stock low 16's and modded 15's tC costs 19k for its price pretty good performance car
tuning people called tuning http://www.world-racing.com/vehicles.htm

You put money a car and build to your desire 500hp tC why not hell there is
Neon coupes running 10's which will put Vipers to shame look the point for the last time tC2 has been improved

divisii

For $ 18,204.08 I got an 08 Spec w/alarm & floor mats. I have a cohesive ("sporty")looking interior, less a sunroof, cruise control, 17" alloy wheels, some other incidentals, and a bit less weight.

Like me, tC2 has no passenger auto up window, no engine cover. tC2 has larger heavier wheels & brakes, which should slow it more quickly. Hmm, could C&D be wrong?

It's like having a peeing contest in the wind, both are winners ?!

As said, it's a driver's race; call it a day.

2tCornot2tC

BUT!!! I’d rather drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow…

myr6goesfast

iTrader: (2)

What does your car run in the 1/8th? I already know specs, talking about your car.