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Old Jun 21, 2012 | 09:47 AM
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The Reference 400CF by OEM Audio Plus; Designed exclusively for the Scion tC2.
Kit Includes: 10 Speakers + 2 Amps + 1 Vehicle Specific Sub + 1 Quick-Sync Harness + Signature Acoustic Tuning | http://www.oemaudioplus.com/reference400cf

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Old Jun 22, 2012 | 08:29 PM
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and can't forget this awesome video

Old Jun 25, 2012 | 12:38 AM
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$1400 bucks and you use your own head unit. They don't advertise any specifications on the amp or speakers on their website.

I called them in regards to the speakers and was told they handle continuous 40 watts RMS, it just took that one spec to turn me away quickly. If you start researching speakers most upper end car audio speakers handle 50-100 continuous rms watts. I knew this wasn't for me.

If your good with installing car audio yourself or at least doing some of the work you can do much better for the money. Or find a good car audio shop and have them do it. Do your homework and research and you'll come up with an amazing system.

Notice on the video they didn't even dynamat around the speakers during the install. I did the entire car and it's a huge difference car feel like a Lexus now it's so quiet inside, made my system sound incredible with no vibrations in the car and the JL 10w3v3 Subwoofer is amazing.
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On the point of dynamatting...

1. One of their main goals is "easy install/plug-n-play for the consumers" dynamatting would wok against that
2. They way they have custom tuned their amp to work with the body of the tC2, u don't need to dynamat. Think of a home entertainment system...do u need to dynamat ur living room for it to sound good? Nope.

...don't get me wrong, dynamatting WILL make it sound better, but it isn't a big need and not an issue that should make or break if this system is good and worth it or not
Old Jun 25, 2012 | 07:41 AM
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Ah you tuned the amp to work with the body... Wow. How about de-tuned it. My guess would be that is so weak it doesn't resonate in the panels and the sub woofer has low output to where it doesn't produce enough bass to make anything rattle or shake in the trunk. Not exactly what I would want to pay 1400 for.

Sorry your comparison with home entertainment systems doesn't work either. If you have a room with hardwood floors and a tall ceiling it sounds terrible, echos, and sound bounces everywhere. If you add rugs to the floor, curtains and other decorations to the walls or soundproofing the system sounds much better. Also home stereo speakers are in cabinets that do not vibrate and resonate sound.

With speakers that can only handle 40 watts of continuous watts of power on the front speakers I'm sure the amp isn't rated very high.

Here's what I have in my car to compare:

Pioneer Premium Head Unit that came with the car.
Stock Front Pioneer 2 ohm Speakers that came with the car and premium system.

$100 Rear Hertz Audio 6.5" Coaxial Speakers 70 Watts Continuous RMS Power
$100 Rockford Fosgate Punch 400.4 Amp off the Craigs List Brand new sealed in box
$150 JL Audio 500/1 Mono Amp for Sub woofer off the craigs list mint condition
$300 JL Audio 10W3V3 Subwoofer
$150 Power Wires to Amps, RCA's and Speaker Wire
$350 Stinger Roadkill Expert Sound Deadening (dynamat)
$150 Professional Installation which includes professional tuning.
$16 Pac LC1 Controller for adjusting out put to sub woofer.

$1,300 Total Spent to date.

I'm about to add another $100 or so to upgrade the Big 3 up front. So I have about the same $1400 spent so far. If you lived close I would say lets compare systems and see what you think.

Even if I had bought brand new amps say alpine 4 channel and class d mono for the sub I would not have spent much more than the $1400 I have in the system.

Flexibility? Well the amps have gain, cross overs and bass boost levels to tune the system properly. But after having it professionally done and adjusted and then explained why it is setup the way it is I have a good reference point for any adjustments I may want to make in regards to personal preference. The sub woofer level can be adjusted from the dial on the dash for the music I am at listening to at the time without having to go to the head unit menu's to turn the sub output up and down. Also should I decide to upgrade the amps or anything in the future everything is already setup and it's just plug n play.

Results, powerful, crystal clear, astonishing music and full sound deadening reduces road noise making the car much more enjoyable to drive on top of that.

I'm sure what you have sounds better than stock but is it good for the money? Not so sure about that. No name products from a company that has been in business for how long? And of course theres the part about no specifications on the system listed on their site for the buyer that does his homework and is looking for specifics when purchasing audio upgrades for his car.

My recommendation to anyone wanting to upgrade their system, do your homework, research online, visit local stereo installation shops, and enjoy the entire process of purchase, installation and hearing the results rather than purchasing a turnkey package.

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Old Jun 25, 2012 | 11:07 AM
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Go to the powerwire installation in the video... looks like 16 gauge! That "Multiple channel amp" must be a monster.

Most amplifier installers will use 0 Gauge or 4 Gauge depending on the number of amps and power requirements.
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How many hours did you spend researching your system? How many hours did you spend custom mounting everything in your car? How much is your time worth…i.e. what do you get paid an hour? And you’ve never even seen the system let alone heard it? You’ve got some cojones…
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2tc's response was going to be my next one lol

but to go along with that and without getting into much of it (there's like 2 or 3 "debate" threads on this)

their products are not "no name" they just aren't typical names, like Pioneer or Alpine or Sony that we hear all the time, but they are from the same manufacture that does audio systems for high end luxury cars like McLaren's. i forgot the name (cause like i said, its not one you hear everyday/not something you would think of to google up during your "research") if you want to know the brand name specifically i can ask them and report back. and yes, this specific business is a new one, but Scion itself isnt that old to begin with. I personally know the owner and he is WELL respected in the entire auto industry (not just audio) and has gained a lot of experience/respect since he's been with a well reputable audio company since at least the 80's and now with the new generation of Scion, he decided to start a new business and venture into Scions....i'm not going to disclose too many detail, because that's his personal life, i'm just letting you know this isn't some random people getting together and throwing random stuff together. just like how while the FR-S is a brand new car, it already has a good amount of respect because its back with the history from Toyota.
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If I'm going to spend 1400 I want to know what I am getting for my money and get the most bang for the buck. The information is readily available on the net. And any audio shop will answer questions and provide advice. Just listening to a rep on the phone describing weak components to a 1400 system was enough for me to look somewhere else. Obviously a sales pitch by the company posting here and my point is look elsewhere and buyer beware.
Old Jun 25, 2012 | 02:56 PM
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And my salary is none of you business bud.
Old Jun 25, 2012 | 03:07 PM
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What are the specs on your front and rear speakers, how about on the amp and subs?
If the company is that reputable why don't they list this information up front on their site....
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^^ what 2tc meant is how much was the labor to research, educate yourself, and tune everything....

don't say free because OEM Audio+ didn't pay their R&D team in free

and buyer beware? why beware?
is the product faulty? will it screw up the car? nope.

all you're saying is that it is too expensive for your tastes and nothing concrete on why this system is something someone should beware of

go back and check some old threads, Rotz did a quick analysis of comparable products and their price...end result was that OEM's 1400 msrp was well worth it. and then add in the $ from the products u dont see (ie research, testing, the value of easy install without having to butcher the car/take up too much space, having a lightweight system) makes it even more valuable.

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so me websites from respected manufactures that post full specs and i can show you the same amount of website from other respected manufactures that don't post full specs

(don't really...my time right now is not worth gathering this, so i hope you just get my point)

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Old Jun 25, 2012 | 03:23 PM
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Cool what were those specs again? Never mind... I'm done here. My money is worth my time and so was the little research and work I did...
Old Jun 25, 2012 | 03:57 PM
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And my salary is none of you business bud.
Frankly, I don't give a $h!t how much you make…I’m just point out that you aren’t including your time it in any of your comparisons…therefore it appears that you don’t value your time at all. Why should we?
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Dude, how much time do you think it takes to read on the internet and stop by your local stereo installation shop to make educated decisions based of recommendations from an experienced installer and from reviews and research of products online?

I value my time AND money and again if I'm going to shell out $1400 bucks I want to know I'm getting my money's worth 100% and know the results are going to be worth it. Especially when it comes to a brand new car. So I spent a few hours I even called OEM audio. What system did you say you have in your car???
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Now if they gave him a special price for doing a promotional video on the web and he got a good deal then that would be a different story.
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I didn’t say what kind of audio system I’ve…at least not in this thread. And yes Kid Justin got a deal. And BTW, I quit buying sound equipment just on manufacturer’s specs (say so)…so all of the looking I’ve done, never got me a great system. I’ve gotten very good systems, but never great. I guess I just don’t know how to look for sound equipment. I’m not a musician…
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no deal, unless you consider "helping with the install for allowing them to film it" a deal
Old Jun 25, 2012 | 05:15 PM
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Well if you got free installation help that's definarely a plus! Right now amazon had a great deal on stinger road kill sound dampening. About 300 bucks and a good day to install. Its really not hard at all. That would make your system sound even better and reduce road noise inside the car which means you get more out of your system by not having to turn it up as loud when on the highway. Also your system will have tighter mid bass and your sub will sound even better! Free ship on the stinger roadkill right now! 99 bucks a bulk box to your door! The only downside is 70lbs added to the car bit worth it!
Old Jun 25, 2012 | 05:18 PM
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You don't have to be a musician! Just look at specs check online reviews (take some with a grain of salt of course) and talk with a reputable installer/shop before buying anything. Its easy. I haven't put anything together in years but the scion is amazing and so easy to work on and the technology now is excellent!

I'll bet your system is better than your letting on... Definition of really good and great are propably very close.

I'd like to upgrade my fronts to a nice set of Hertz or Focal 3 way components but they start at $350 and go up for the nice stuff... Right now the front speakers that came with the premium package, pioneers sound great and are handling all the power that rockford can give them and sound amazing, so I'm not in a hurry but it's on the wish list.

Big 3 upgrade is on my list next, 0 gauge, nice connectors for them and nice battery terminals. My lights don't dim or anything but it's a cheap upgrade to the system and makes sense so I'm going for it. Don't know if I'll notice any difference but hopefull will help with the charging system and constant power voltage to the audio system/amps.

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