Lowering Problem, Please GOD someone help
Yesterday I installed a set of Eibach SportLine springs in my 2011 Scion tC. The installation went smoothly, everything was in place properly. Today, as recommended by Eibach, I took my car to the dealership to get an alignment done.
Obviously the camber of the wheels changed with the lowering. All wheels were re-aligned properly except the rear passenger side wheel. The camber on this wheel was too far off to be properly aligned.
The tire sits like this: \
The dealership told me the springs were properly installed, and the problem could only be from two possible places; the control arm on the bottom (not sure that that is what it's call, but its the vertically pivoting arm that attaches from the frame to the wheel assembly) or a bracket at the top. They also told me that this would not be covered under my bumper-to-bumper warranty, despite admitting that there was no problem related to the springs themselves.
They said that the arm or bracket/support arm must have been bent somehow. Three different employees, including the service manager looked at it and said they could not see any evidence that it is bent anywhere but they have to try replacing those parts in a process of elimination.
I called Eibach, they offer no camber kits. They recommended I called specialty parts, who also offers no camber kit.
Has anyone else had this problem? Is there ANY advice anyone can give me? Maybe where to get a camber kit?
I seriously doubt either of those parts are bent, even if they are they would have had to have been bent before I bought the car (brand new, 4800 miles on it). I have had no impacts, jumped no curbs, not done any "drifting" or "racing". I drive the car conservatively.
I really don't want to pay the dealership $300 to take stabs in the dark by replacing parts that are perfectly fine.
Obviously the camber of the wheels changed with the lowering. All wheels were re-aligned properly except the rear passenger side wheel. The camber on this wheel was too far off to be properly aligned.
The tire sits like this: \
The dealership told me the springs were properly installed, and the problem could only be from two possible places; the control arm on the bottom (not sure that that is what it's call, but its the vertically pivoting arm that attaches from the frame to the wheel assembly) or a bracket at the top. They also told me that this would not be covered under my bumper-to-bumper warranty, despite admitting that there was no problem related to the springs themselves.
They said that the arm or bracket/support arm must have been bent somehow. Three different employees, including the service manager looked at it and said they could not see any evidence that it is bent anywhere but they have to try replacing those parts in a process of elimination.
I called Eibach, they offer no camber kits. They recommended I called specialty parts, who also offers no camber kit.
Has anyone else had this problem? Is there ANY advice anyone can give me? Maybe where to get a camber kit?
I seriously doubt either of those parts are bent, even if they are they would have had to have been bent before I bought the car (brand new, 4800 miles on it). I have had no impacts, jumped no curbs, not done any "drifting" or "racing". I drive the car conservatively.
I really don't want to pay the dealership $300 to take stabs in the dark by replacing parts that are perfectly fine.
Yesterday I installed a set of Eibach SportLine springs in my 2011 Scion tC. The installation went smoothly, everything was in place properly. Today, as recommended by Eibach, I took my car to the dealership to get an alignment done.
Obviously the camber of the wheels changed with the lowering. All wheels were re-aligned properly except the rear passenger side wheel. The camber on this wheel was too far off to be properly aligned.
The tire sits like this: \
The dealership told me the springs were properly installed, and the problem could only be from two possible places; the control arm on the bottom (not sure that that is what it's call, but its the vertically pivoting arm that attaches from the frame to the wheel assembly) or a bracket at the top. They also told me that this would not be covered under my bumper-to-bumper warranty, despite admitting that there was no problem related to the springs themselves.
They said that the arm or bracket/support arm must have been bent somehow. Three different employees, including the service manager looked at it and said they could not see any evidence that it is bent anywhere but they have to try replacing those parts in a process of elimination.
I called Eibach, they offer no camber kits. They recommended I called specialty parts, who also offers no camber kit.
Has anyone else had this problem? Is there ANY advice anyone can give me? Maybe where to get a camber kit?
I seriously doubt either of those parts are bent, even if they are they would have had to have been bent before I bought the car (brand new, 4800 miles on it). I have had no impacts, jumped no curbs, not done any "drifting" or "racing". I drive the car conservatively.
I really don't want to pay the dealership $300 to take stabs in the dark by replacing parts that are perfectly fine.
Obviously the camber of the wheels changed with the lowering. All wheels were re-aligned properly except the rear passenger side wheel. The camber on this wheel was too far off to be properly aligned.
The tire sits like this: \
The dealership told me the springs were properly installed, and the problem could only be from two possible places; the control arm on the bottom (not sure that that is what it's call, but its the vertically pivoting arm that attaches from the frame to the wheel assembly) or a bracket at the top. They also told me that this would not be covered under my bumper-to-bumper warranty, despite admitting that there was no problem related to the springs themselves.
They said that the arm or bracket/support arm must have been bent somehow. Three different employees, including the service manager looked at it and said they could not see any evidence that it is bent anywhere but they have to try replacing those parts in a process of elimination.
I called Eibach, they offer no camber kits. They recommended I called specialty parts, who also offers no camber kit.
Has anyone else had this problem? Is there ANY advice anyone can give me? Maybe where to get a camber kit?
I seriously doubt either of those parts are bent, even if they are they would have had to have been bent before I bought the car (brand new, 4800 miles on it). I have had no impacts, jumped no curbs, not done any "drifting" or "racing". I drive the car conservatively.
I really don't want to pay the dealership $300 to take stabs in the dark by replacing parts that are perfectly fine.
1st: set the springs back to stock and do a visual inspection of each wheel to see if it still sits like \ . If it does, thats a warranty issue, take it to a different dealer and ask them to verify the factory alignment specs, let them know youve felt some issues in driveability.
or 2nd: you might have received a defective set of of springs from eibach, which I highly doubt, however is possible. being that Eibach does not make a kit for extreme drops, I cant see the kit affecting your camber as much as you say it does.
3rd: my intuition tells me that you probably goofed and bent something during the install process, which would not be fair to the dealer in option #1 to try and claim warranty, however if you genuinely are 100% positive you did not accidentally bend any control arms in the install process I would verify with warranty that your stock specs are within acceptable range, and then double check that your eibach kit is not defective. you can do this by swapping sides on the rear springs and see if the problem clears for the passenger rear tire
4th: once youve exercised all options above and the problem still remains, then its probably camber bolt time. camber kits are out there, you just have to look. its only a small bolt that allows you to adjust the degree of positive camber
The tC rear suspension is adjustable, and even when I had Tein Stech on my first gen (over 2" drop), toyota was still able to get my specs well into acceptable ranges
Thanks for the response. I am definitely 100% sure I didn't bend anything during installation. I was very careful, did not force anything, triple checked every connection, rod, bracket, arm, etc against pictures pre-install to be sure.
I think the only toe is adjustable on the rear end on tC2's, not the camber. I could be wrong.
I'm not sure if the camber was off like this with the stock springs, I will change them out and see this afternoon.
There are some people with this problem using S-Techs, same wheel.
I think the only toe is adjustable on the rear end on tC2's, not the camber. I could be wrong.
I'm not sure if the camber was off like this with the stock springs, I will change them out and see this afternoon.
There are some people with this problem using S-Techs, same wheel.
Thanks for the response. I am definitely 100% sure I didn't bend anything during installation. I was very careful, did not force anything, triple checked every connection, rod, bracket, arm, etc against pictures pre-install to be sure.
I think the only toe is adjustable on the rear end on tC2's, not the camber. I could be wrong.
I'm not sure if the camber was off like this with the stock springs, I will change them out and see this afternoon.
There are some people with this problem using S-Techs, same wheel.
I think the only toe is adjustable on the rear end on tC2's, not the camber. I could be wrong.
I'm not sure if the camber was off like this with the stock springs, I will change them out and see this afternoon.
There are some people with this problem using S-Techs, same wheel.
I suspect either the dealer is incompetent in aligning the specs
or something changed and the rear of the 2nd gen is NOT camber adjustable
or its a common problem and youll either have to deal with it or get the camber kit.
This has been discussed a million times already... please search next time...
edit: you didnt even have to search, it was on the same page you posted this thread, but just to keep it centralized: https://www.scionlife.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=205597
edit: you didnt even have to search, it was on the same page you posted this thread, but just to keep it centralized: https://www.scionlife.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=205597
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