This is our new brace that connects to the TB Performance Trunk Brace and C pillar Brace! This unit includes all hardware to convert your previous braces into a Modular Trunk Cage. We also have a package deal offering this brace with everything else we carry! This package will save you money on shipping and total price! Come check it out on our website at Tbperformanceproducts.com





Price is set at 75 dollars plus 10 shipping! Get the one and only set of braces for your TC2!

 

Can we see a pic of it installed and connected with the other bars please?

 

We did preliminary testing on a vehicle we no longer have here, so we will have to wait until Ted gives us pictures of it installed!

Jared

 

omg. Electrical Pipe Straps?! lol, or EMT straps. Otherwise known as cowboys. (the black pieces on the ends.) lol.. oh god.

 

Out of all the insults you could come with that's it? Please try harder.

 

Being a structures engineer, I wouldn’t say deez statements were insults…I tend to agree with him. I wouldn’t put that in my car either.

 

Our R&D is result enough over your self proclaimed title / degree. We don't 'NEED' your business. If you don't like our parts, then don't buy them.
Moving forward, Orders from Thursday - today will be shipped out early Monday morning, thanks guy!

Jared

 

I really want to see some skidpad results from this brace, as well as the others!

 

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Originally Posted by TB_Performance_Products

Our R&D is result enough over your self proclaimed title / degree. We don't 'NEED' your business. If you don't like our parts, then don't buy them.

Nothing self-proclaimed about my education…it can be verified by anyone. This doesn’t even show signs of a sharp mechanic that has a good mechanical feel of what is going on with the car. You’ve posted a product on a blog that discusses 2nd Generation tCs. I’m providing my opinion, which happens to agree with somebody else on here…discussing a product that you showcased here. You have just as much right as I do or anybody else. Don’t tell me what education I have or don’t, I already know that…prove me wrong.

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I really want to see some skidpad results from this brace, as well as the others!

This bar or any other will not change skid pad results…only the feel (English) of the car. I have my doubts about this one though.

 

Pictures of the Z brace collaborated with the C Pillar and trunk brace. Drivers reaction.. "WOW"

 

Everyone enjoy the first day of Summer! PM us your inquiries on any of our parts, and we will see if we can help you out a bit on pricing!

 

I don't mean to bash your product; I'm sure they are great. But, from the photos shown above, I still do not quite understand how the Z brace helps with rigidity with only those two fragile-looking clips attached to the other bars. Is it an essential component or just supplementary to the other braces? I am really interested in these braces but I can't shake this doubt about the Z brace efficiency. Enlighten us please.

 

Enlightenment incoming..

By tying the 2 pieces together you are integrating two different parts of the vehicle and tying them together with triangulation. This means one cannot move independent to the other, therefore increasing chassis rigidity. However, this is NOT an integral piece. You don't NEED to have the Z brace, BUT if you are looking for the maximum efficiency from bracing then the Z brace will net you a definite improvement over the pieces as a single component. As a matter of fact our test vehicle came back reporting a noticeable improvement over the base bracing. As far as our "fragile" looking clamps, they have been PROVEN multiple times to withstand the stresses and load transfers associated with this particular aspect of the TC2's. Testing has provided us with information that these clamps are well over sufficient levels. Just because something is new, or different, does not mean that it doesnt work or is wrong. At TB Performance we think outside the box, not follow the herd, to bring the best possible bracing at the most affordable price.

On a side note, if our product did not work, or show any gains, we wouldn't sell it. Just like a front strut tower bar. Remember we are centered around the mountains and track like driving. Not show cars.

 

Warning! Technical content…

Those clamps provide no appreciable clamping load. You can see by the long lever arm that you’ve made on your “Z” brace. If those aren’t bending, there is no load. I can design a cardboard tube that could slide those clamps. In a few months, take that “Z” brace of yours off and take a look under your clamps. You will see that the paint is being rubbed off of your horizontal bars. But, if all the paint is tact, then that is just proof that there is not enough flex in the chassis there to warrant a “Z” brace.

 

Isnt this the same guy who asked to have me help design a brace with you?...

How many braces have you used from me? how many have you seen in person? How many years experience do you have designing, building, and testing?

it seems all your "engineering degree" has built you is a lack of real world knowledge and honest facts. If you have nothing better to do than attempt to troll us, im sorry but this will be my last post to you...I have parts to build and orders to ship out to people who actually modify their car.

 

Well for another input from an 'outsider's' perspective, I kind of have to agree with 2tC because ideally, for that diagonal 'z' brace to carry any load it should be fixed into position on both ends and bolted on so that whatever deformation the horizontal braces go through are also shared by this connecting brace.

I'm not sure how effective that 'clamp' is seeing as how it's made of plastic, but for all I know it may work effectively when it is initially installed. What I am concerned about is the plastic clamp loosening up or losing its grip over time and eventually just sliding around which would render it completely useless.

What we're questioning is the effectiveness of those plastic clamps, not your design. I'm thinking drilling a hole at connection points and using a pin to connect (or a bolt, but bolts don't like shear) it will ensure effective use of the 'z' brace and last you a long time.

 

2tCornot2tC, although coarse in his replies, has just as much right to post his opinion about a product on a public forum as anyone else here. It seems that you don't care about any opinions that disagree with your own. And, instead of attacking his character and his education, I feel that defending your product with real data would be a better approach to marketing a product that is getting attention for it's relevance.

He doesn't need anyone to defend him, but 2tC has done a lot on this forum (including developing an adjustable rear upper control arm, which everyone wants) and is far from a troll.

 

It's a metal clamp that has been rubberized, not a plastic clamp.
And posting that a part WILL not work when a person has never used it IS an attack. Judgements based on pictures are like going to McDonalds for a salad. Pointless. SO until you have bought our pieces, your opinions can be kept to yourself on whether or not the brace actually works. Last time we checked posting a review on a product or a guess about it's effectiveness without having purchased it is against forum rules and can get you banned. Looking forward to reviews from the customers that have already purchased.

 

Alright, well then I stand corrected on the material of the clamp. I think you have misread my post earlier and you should reconsider your approach towards potential customers.

Yes, I questioned the effectiveness of the clamps, but I never said anything along the lines of "it WILL not work." I simply suggested that it may wear out over time and offered an idea which may improve your brace for future versions: Selling your trunk and c-pillar braces with a hole drilled at the install points where the z-brace will connect with a pin and e-clips or bolt/nut.

I understand that you are defending this product that you have probably spent hours on creating and I respect that. At least you are going out and making parts for the tC2 that other manufacturers are not considering.

Like ZeroEyeQueue mentioned, we want to see some numbers, some data of some sort to justify your product you are trying to market. Your reasoning of 'you should buy and see for yourself' is obviously not the right justification especially for a part that is/should be engineered.

For example, what you're doing is like making a set of lowering springs without telling us spring rates and how much it is lowering the car and instead just telling us 'yeah, it'll lower the car a bit and increase the handling.' Sure, some people may be convinced by you and buy your product and may give great reviews which may lead to more customers. But there are others who want to know some proven facts prior to buying a product. What I'm saying is that there are different types of customers, and to be an effective manufacturer/seller you will probably want to cater to all of your consumers as long as it is financially justifiable.

Lastly, I just want to add that we're spending time in your thread commenting because we're interested in your product, so please don't immediately take the defensive stance and try to brush away potential customers.

Thanks,
Donald

 

Last I checked, most of these replies are merely questions pertaining to the product, not reviews; questions you seem to meeting with a defensive and heated animosity. Yes, I understand that some have come on here and looked at the pictures and made up their mind on the spot. However, if you can't take some constructive criticism on the INTERNET, you will find that what you're doing (threats, insults, etc.) can be counterproductive to what you're trying to achieve (more customers).

Nothing is gained by keeping our questions and opinions to ourselves. If the questions are answered and concerns are addressed it will further protect the consumer. Would it be smart to purchase a product without asking any questions about it?

Note that I haven't bad mouthed your products, at all. I was interested, but had my own concerns not unlike the previous posters.