What is the best header system fot the XB??

 

ppl will say 4-1 header or the 4-2-1 header, just depends how much you wanna spend on it...

 

I would say the japanese TRD header pics in my profile hard to find and very expensive if you cannot get one probably a strup.

 

yea thats true and it also depends on what kinda power you want out of it.....the 4-1 is for high end and 4-2-1 is for low end

 

strup header is nice indeed. very sexy as well. makes the xb go vroom vroom

 

lol. I need one, Franken's sounded good in Ames.

 

i bought a cheapt $50.00 header on Ebay and it workd great. The sound really doesnt chnagemuch considering i still have my resonator and cat, but the performance on the low end is barely noticeable, but its there.

 

my TRD header was worth every bit of 500 dollars it made a huge diffrence unfortunantly I got the last one so I can't steer anyone in the right direction to get anymore

 

$500?.....LOL.....wow, see.....i was interested in the TRD for a minute but there is NO justification to spend 500 on a 4-1 header the size that out engines require that has a tiny TRD tab on it.....i understand its soooo"JDM".....or the arguement of "you have to spend for quality".......dude almost every company that makes headers for our car are "QUALITY"......i run the DC header so far im very happy with it but there are many alternatives and if you want "JDM" without selling your kidney go for the Greddy Header runs about 3 bills and WAY better looking than the TRD header or if you want more low/mid range punch go for MMW header youll be happy to know they are doing a special on it in the Sponsored Sales Forum $250 shipped......Oh one last thing.....you have "THE LAST TRD HEADER!".......HAHA Doubt it bro unless you personally got it from toyota japan and someone like the production manager or something like that told you it im sure it isnt the last one.....sorry

 

I got the last one at the place that had imported them for clarrification sorry they are a small dealership and their manager won't let them import anything else the guys at brandsport automotive sent me to them. they still have a ton of MR2 stuff jdm at the dealership but no more scion headers from japan anyway I do feel the header was worth 500 dollars the reason being that it did deliver low mid and top end power very nicely. I also wanted something diffrent for my Xa. The quality stainless used in the header is superb as you know there are many grades of stainless steel. There are other very good headers out there strup makes a good header from what I hear from friends. I've run stainless DC headers on my hondas and was always pleased with them too. all I was saying is I was very pleased with the header and the gains that I recieved. yes I probably could have done it cheaper but since most of the parts on my car are trd I wanted to stay with TRD it's personal preference. I also like the fact that the factory heat shield will bolt up if you want to put it on. I like the bends in the pipes on the header as well. I don't regret spending 500 dollars on it at all. I think I should have clarified that I got the last one that was imported by this particular dealer. how they got them I have no clue. From what I understand from them it is very hard to get the header and there is a minimum order. so good luck at the time I was looking the TRD header was the only one I could get dyno charts for so thats the one I went with. I just didn't want to take any chances. I am now looking for a supercharger that will fit an Xa and is carb legal I have had no luck so far. I know all about 4-1 and 4-2-1 I just decided to go with a brand I know will always do what it claims TRD.

 

YUP... Gotta love posts like these...

condescending.

I'm going to throw out a word here.... ready?...... "MEANS".

And what do I mean by "means"?

Here is a little story..
Lets say I flip burgers at the local Mcdonalds for 7.25 and hour. With all the stuff I want to do to my car, I cannot justify spending 500 bucks on a header. But now I see someone who has the "MEANS" to do just that. So what do I do?

Well, I start bad mouthing them about their choice, I tell them there is better stuff out there for waaaaay less, I suggest what I bought, I make them feel bad for having more play funds than I do, I go on and on nit-picking their post for mistaken comments. In general I just want them to feel stupid for buying something that I wish I could have bought, or had the MEANS to do so.

That's what I see when I read post like this. I may be way off base, but that's what I see. Please forgive me if I'm wrong.

Anyway.. I hope you enjoy the TRD header. It is a fine piece of craftsmanship and after the slight modification, a supurb compliment to your ride.

singleshot

 

It really has nothing to do with "means." At least not how I see it. I might be someone you would consider to have "means." I am not well off, but I am far from a burger flipper's salary. And I couldn't even imagine myself spending the coin on a Greddy header, much less a TRD header.

It isn't about price so much as value. Would I say that one of the cheap $100 headers was a better value because of the price? Never. You have to consider quality and other gains as well as price. You can get equal quality and performance from a header that costs half as much as the TRD. To me it makes no sense to spend the extra money and get no increase in efficiency, performance, or quality.

If you are talking value, the TRD is in no way worth the money. If you are talking branding and "exclusivity," then maybe so.

Also, to Ghostrider25 you can pretty much give up your search for CARB approved forced induction. No one has stepped up to the plate as of yet. I had hopes from Greddy and ZPI, but I doubt it will ever happen.

 

I will tell you one thing is for sure. It doesnt matter if you pickup the 50 dollar megan racing header(which I have and it's a great product) or the 500 dollar TRD header, you will get the same dyno performance.

 

I beg to differ. You will not see the same dyno performance because dynos show a lot more than peak horsepower or peak gain. If you want to compare dyno results you have to look at the entire power band.

If you did that I would lay money down that you wouldn’t get “identical” results from any two different header brands. Whether they be $100 OBX or $500 TRD. You might end up with similar peak hp, or peak gains, but I would bet they wouldn’t be at the same exact rpm. Every aspect of a headers design can contribute to how it performs. From flange, to runner length, to runner configuration, to collector, to weld quality. It all makes a difference. And all those little subtleties will affect how and where the header performs on a dyno.

 

you guys are all uptight by arguing about which header is better, and which one is worth the $$. lets face it: NONE of us bought our cars for the vast amount of power they offer because there is no power. everyone has their own opinion of what is better, but it is what it is- an opinion. its up to you to collectively evaluate everyones opinion and then decide on a piece of equipment for yourself. if you want exclusive parts- expect to pay for an exclusive part. if you are on a limited budget- purchase something thats within your price range, or save up for that expensive part.

as far as comparing dynos- whats the difference going to be on an identical setup? 1-3 hp? every engine is different and has a slightly different output. plus you have environmental variables thrown in the mix that will alter performance too.

so if you are really worried about tuning a 103hp engine that in depth, then by all means, stress yourself out about the deal, or just go with whatever makes you and your bank account happy.

not trying to step on anyones toes, but thats just my $.02

 

I agree to a certain point with buying an inexpensive header but I have to weigh in the cost of well if I have to replace that inexpensive header because of a flaw I might as well of bought the expensive header to begin with. All I will say is the quality on the TRD header is superb and for the money it better be. I'm not rich either but I kinda got impulsive when I found one and had buyers remorse. then once I installed it I was very pleased the price diffrence between the TRD and the strup isn't that much considering the 500 included shipping and handling and new gaskets and I included the cost of the drill bit and the tap. In the world of headers DC strup TRD are probably your top brands I'm sure there are some others out I'm not aware of. the only one I can say I can give an accurate description on is the TRD. The grade stainles they used even though it isn't mirror polished is extremely high and rarely used in in exhaust because of expense I don't know about slingshots but mine has changed some wild colors already even though it is on the back of the motor. the only thin I have not been pleased with is the loss of tourque with a catback install but I'm getting used to it and since I plan on boosting the car it will proove itself to be woth the money later on hopefully. I just can't waight to get a standalone in this car. I don't think I'll go wih zpi I'm actually considering power enterprise and changing the pulley and putting in a standalone I'm waighting for a reply from them to see if it will fit the Xa I'm sure it will with some modification at most. I figure retard the timing change fuel pump bigger injectors standalone and change the pulley and there is a guy here in the mountains that can go through it and change it to ceramic ball bearing and make it put out some serious pressure I'm thinking in the 13 pound range but we'll see as of right now that is the plan unless somone comes out with a kit. or I can get my old sponsor to convert a vortec supercharger to work alot of stuff is in the air right now by the way what is the best underdrive pulley

 

i just got my strup header and agency power pulley installed yesterday by my local tuner shop. i cannot tell you how the pieces perform separately, but the combined effects are amazing.

the car has a smoother acceleration and doesn't bog down on the revs as much anymore. it seriously feels like it can breathe a lot better. low end is still a bit funky low on torque, but you can't really complain. i really recommend doing both a header and pulley at the same time, as they are key to freeing up the engine revs.

i also have AEM CAI and TRD exhaust, so the full I/H/E flow helps a bit .

again, everyone knows "you get what you paid for".
if you don't mind taking a chance with some lower priced headers, go for it. if you're more concerned with quality and don't mind paying more money for some time-tested products, go ahead.

in the end, it really is all about name brand and paying for quality. it's your call.

 

I bought the DC Sports Ceramic Coated Headers....and they are 4-1 .....I installed these along with the DC Sports Single Canister Exhaust system...They seem to work pretty well...i notice a slight increase in power ...with the Intake, Headers and Exhaust all working together...=)

 

To Kiss...

I think it is funny that in the same post you jump all down people's throats for posting their opinions and then turn around and tell people shopping for headers to read those same opinions and use them to make their own decisions.

To Ghostrider25...

If you are looking to replace your crank pulley, don't go under driven. You can get the same results by installing a lightened pulley without the ill effects of under driven pulleys.

There are really only two designs out there, available from three companies. Perrin makes a pulley, as does Agency Power. ZPI offers a pulley, but from what I can tell it is nothing more than a re-labeled Agency Power. That, or it is an extremely similar design. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Hope that helps.

 

yes it does which one is better the perrin or the agency