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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 07:25 PM
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I just got my new Nology Hotwires for my xA from mmrusa.com

The install took about an hour to complete.
It's an amazing difference in power
I haven't had it on a dyno yet (doubt that I will) but best guess is 5 to 10 hp gain.

I also added a set of Beru spark plugs, also from Nology.

Has anyone else gotten these wires yet?

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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 08:08 PM
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maybe 5-10 hp in ego?

Sorry to say, but just upgrading wires won't produce such a result.
Old Jan 25, 2005 | 08:26 PM
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i want pics...
Old Jan 25, 2005 | 08:44 PM
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i'd definately like pics , i'm wonderin how they even have hot wires on a car without spark plug wires.
Old Jan 25, 2005 | 09:12 PM
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Hotbox05 : The 1NZFE does have sparkplugs.
Pics and How to can be seen at https://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=43053
Heck you were the last one to post on that topic.
Of course if I were posting at 430am I wouldn't remeber either
Old Jan 25, 2005 | 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Ashe_WCM
Hotbox05 : The 1NZFE does have sparkplugs.
Pics and How to can be seen at https://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=43053
Heck you were the last one to post on that topic.
Of course if I were posting at 430am I wouldn't remeber either
I think what Hotbox was trying to say was that the xB does not have spark plug WIRES. The ignition system is a coil-on-plug setup. When most people refer to plug wires they are talking about the wires that run from the coil to the plug. In the case of the 1NZFE each plug has an individual coil (and igniter) that sits directly on the plug. So perhaps he was just curious as to how the ignition was retrofitted to run the plug wires. I am as well.

Since we are on the subject of beefing up the ignition, one thing that has caught my attention is the AEM Capacitive Discharge system. It was designed for distributor-less ignitions with coil on plug setups. The only problem is that we would need to find coils that do not have the ignites integrated. A guy on the AEM Power site recommended 300M coils and said that he could build me a aluminum plate for our valve covers so they would fit. Any thoughts?
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dead on minsk99., yes i know about that , that is just a spark plug change , i'm talking about the nology setup. diga der..... lol
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its been done on a ford that also has coil-on-paks

http://www.nology.com/images/focushotwirekit.gif

but i still want to see it on the scion....
Old Jan 25, 2005 | 11:26 PM
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So, was that 5-10 hp at a particular RPM, or throughout the band? Always amazed by butt-dyno results...
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Originally Posted by dgHotLava
its been done on a ford that also has coil-on-paks

http://www.nology.com/images/focushotwirekit.gif

but i still want to see it on the scion....
thats a completely different setup , the scions have the coils on top of the plug versus the ford , the ford has distributerless ignition , the scion has direct ignition system. i believe these are the correct terms.
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yeah, i thought there was a diff. (was not really sure)

i'll be the first to call BS...
this one post wonder has to prove me wrong...
Old Jan 25, 2005 | 11:50 PM
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I'm working on getting some pics taken, I don't have a digital or I'd have them already.

I don't have a lot of the specs, I'm not a mechanic.
I know that they do work. Maybe my "butt dyno" needs to be recalibrated, but the power difference is there. Acceleration is better and the torque increased too.
I've only had them on for a day now, but I'm sold.

My last car (Expedition) had the Nology wires on as well, which is why I went back for more. On my expedition the reason I got the wires was for the fuel savings (10% gain, don't need a dyno for that one).

The extra power in my Scion is a add-on for my underpowered car.
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Just got off the phone with a sales guy over at mmrusa.com and here is what he said. The coils are relocated (not sure where) so that the wires can run between the coils and the plug. He claims that the nology wires have a capacitive element to them so that the spark discharge is increased.
Old Jan 26, 2005 | 12:06 AM
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hmmmm. how much will that run the usual nology price between 199-299? maybe cheaper? (probably not but one can hope)
Old Jan 27, 2005 | 05:26 PM
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I saw it on the website (mmrusa.com) . They did relocate the coils and mount them outside the engine. Have to remove the engine cover to use this setup.





I don't know what is inside the Nology wires. Seems to be like they use normal plug wires and wrap them with conductors tied to the engine frame. This make a capacitive effect alright. I might try doing it myself and see what happens
Old Jan 27, 2005 | 05:55 PM
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Why in the world would you add wires to a car that has none? The ignition setup on modern cars are monitered to assure ZERO misfire and the MIL will light if any misfire is recorded (P0300, P0301, P0302, P0303, P0304) This is snake oil at its finest and if there was 5-10 hp available so easily, these guys would be working for a Major Automaker or would liscense their products to an Automaker and we would all have them. If you got a 10% increase in mileage on your Expedition with a mere wire change, you must have had an extremely whipped set of wires on it and It would most probably have had a check engine light on. Sorry to be so skeptical, but I have been wrenching for a long time and accidently picked up a little knowledge along the way.
Old Jan 27, 2005 | 06:39 PM
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Just add the NGK iriduim sparkplugs and you'll be fine. No need for the wires. Just upgraded plugs. :D
Old Jan 27, 2005 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Stylis
Just add the NGK iriduim sparkplugs and you'll be fine. No need for the wires. Just upgraded plugs. :D
Ah, the Iridium plug debate of 2004. It seems as though it were just yesterday. Kidding, kidding. Anyways, I've been considering these plugs for a while if for no other reason then I am addicted to farting around under the hood . Anyways, my question is this. Is there a need for a plug that is hotter or colder then stock just from the typical mods such as header, intake and exhaust or would FI or internals have to come into play? Any advantage to these Iridium besides a long life? I'm assuming that Toyota put plugs in there that burn all the fuel efficiently even at high RPM?
Old Jan 27, 2005 | 07:11 PM
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id have to agree with scott17 this sounds like the biggest bunch of barnicals i have come across in a long time (exept for the fuel rail magnet remember that one )
i have been working on toyotas for 17 years and cannot think of any benefit of this
setup if someone has proof i would like to be proven wrong but i still think its all a bunch o crap to me
Old Jan 27, 2005 | 08:55 PM
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i think that nology is dumb , at least for this car. i will put some denso iridiums and see what happens. can't get any worse.



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