No Airflow Through Stock XB Grille
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Originally Posted by Scott17
Originally Posted by RTon20s
Originally Posted by SquallLHeart
that grille needs no airflow. it's the part below that, that gets the air. it was made like that on purpose. you should not allow air thru the top grille for the proper airflow
So why is it that the RS1.0 was equipped with a billet grill? And the RS2.0 with a "speed" grill? There will be no ill affects to installing a billet grill.
The only possibility of a drawback is in very cold weather climates during the winter. But then, it wouldn't be any different than most 99% of other cars on the road with fairly open grills.
Originally Posted by sprslug_182
...Maybe they figured they would design that way because they knew people would be replacing it.
The more air going over the car and the less going under the better at any speed, The body of the car is smooth the under carraige has a lot of nooks and crannies to catch air causing the vehicle to have a lot more drag and get lees fuel mileage. A few years ago a college to a Chev Mailabu (6 cyl) and made a smooth cardboard & duct tape under carraige they did a before and after highway fuel mileage test the car pick up almost 3 mpg just making the air flow under it better.
Originally Posted by TheScionicMan
You guys do realize this engine is water-cooled, right?
im pretty sure they knew that...
the "bug" issue is real with the billet grilles
i have a painted valve cover cover and the bugs go right thru and get WELDED onto the valve cover cover
adding a block off plate was my only solution
if cooling is an issue...add an oil cooler to the car
and a seperate trans cooler for autos
the factory trans cooler is built into the radiator and does not hold up under lengthy "spirited driving" sessions
i have a painted valve cover cover and the bugs go right thru and get WELDED onto the valve cover cover
adding a block off plate was my only solution
if cooling is an issue...add an oil cooler to the car
and a seperate trans cooler for autos
the factory trans cooler is built into the radiator and does not hold up under lengthy "spirited driving" sessions
Originally Posted by Scott17
Says Who?
and once back on the highway has trouble shifting into OD
i would call that a heat issue as it does not occur under normal circumsatances
Sounds like more of a ECU issue rather than tranny 'heat' issue. Did you put a tranny cooler on it? And if so, did the problem stop? I AM a firm believer in tranny coolers, although I haven't put one on my xB yet. I have issues with my tranny/ECU but mine is more along the lines of shifting into OD too soon ( I think, anyway) and when getting back on the gas to get up to speed after slowing for either traffic or a light, it doesn't downshift as soon, if at all, as I feel it should.
Originally Posted by x_rayted711
Sounds like more of a ECU issue rather than tranny 'heat' issue. Did you put a tranny cooler on it? And if so, did the problem stop? I AM a firm believer in tranny coolers, although I haven't put one on my xB yet. I have issues with my tranny/ECU but mine is more along the lines of shifting into OD too soon ( I think, anyway) and when getting back on the gas to get up to speed after slowing for either traffic or a light, it doesn't downshift as soon, if at all, as I feel it should.
Originally Posted by TXboxdriver
Originally Posted by Scott17
Says Who?
and once back on the highway has trouble shifting into OD
i would call that a heat issue as it does not occur under normal circumsatances
^^^ What about using the 'factory' Trans cooler with an aftermarket one? Probably the number one killer of auto trannies is heat. I'm not saying the xB needs one (partly why I haven't put one on yet).
ScionicMan...I reset my ECU by pulling the fuse to help with MPG, but it is the same...both shifting and MPG.
ScionicMan...I reset my ECU by pulling the fuse to help with MPG, but it is the same...both shifting and MPG.
no cooler yet
promised myself to finish the "pretty parts" before starting on the "aggressive" parts
i also plan to switch trans fluid to AMSoil
then think about the cooler
but this is sooo off topic.....
promised myself to finish the "pretty parts" before starting on the "aggressive" parts
i also plan to switch trans fluid to AMSoil
then think about the cooler
but this is sooo off topic.....
Get a hood with a hood scoop or fab a scoop and call it a day, like i said on the 1st page. Areodynamics doesn't get hurt too bad with the right design, and it will help with the "cool down" process slightly. Motor will also be able to run slightly cooler with constant cooler air flowing through the bay.
This is what i did, vis racing CF techno-r is the hood i have, 1'' scoop. I get compliments all the time.
This is what i did, vis racing CF techno-r is the hood i have, 1'' scoop. I get compliments all the time.



