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Old May 24, 2006 | 02:39 AM
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Which one preforms better????
Old May 24, 2006 | 04:25 AM
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I'd do a search and find the info.. there are several threads that will answer your question.

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Old May 24, 2006 | 05:34 AM
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I like short ram better, and in this car there is just way to much piping with the cold air to be as effective as in other applications. I have the Blitz SUS and love it. If you have the option of driving a xB or xA with a SR and one with a CAI that would be the easiest way to choose, but if you ask me go SR.
Old May 24, 2006 | 12:10 PM
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I second the short ram. since the short ram had alot less piping I was able to put a much bigger battery in the engine compartment.
plus the HP gains between the CAI and SR are not that big to justify the increase in price. just my $.02
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Old May 24, 2006 | 06:53 PM
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new to this and trying to learn as much as possib;e...might sound REALLLLYYYY dumb, but what does Short Ram do? How is it different than Cold Air? What are the price differences? Does it increase HP?

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Old May 25, 2006 | 01:04 AM
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i find that the less bends in the pipe the better for air flow

imo the K&N CAI has a lot less bends compaired to the injen sri and cai for the xA
Old May 25, 2006 | 01:12 AM
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Old May 25, 2006 | 03:21 PM
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Well, almost all of your questions can be answered by this FAQ:

http://tinyurl.com/hff9u
Old May 25, 2006 | 05:00 PM
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You can find a lot of helpful information here:

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...ht=intake+dyno

If you are interested in the Injen SRI here's a link to out site.

http://www.trdsparks.com/displaypart...2&parts_id=433


Over all it has the best results out of all the intake's I've seen.
Old May 26, 2006 | 01:29 AM
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I don't know if the Injen is necessarily the best, but it is the most common. It's what most peeps on here seem to have gone for, and I haven't seen to much posted by way of complaint about it. I have it, and the one thing i will point out about mine:

Before I installed it I decided to clean the inside of it out. when I took it out of the box, there was crap on my fingers where they had touched the inside of the tubing (I expect this from my women, but not my intake). So I took an old cotton t-shirt and some alcohol and wiped out the inside of it. The shirt came out all covered in machine oil, and little metal flakes. If I hadn't done this, and that crap would've been sucked into the engine--not cool.

If you want the injen...get the YDR. It's an exact clone of the Injen for about half the price.

A friend of mine got the Fujita cold air, and I checked out before he installed it. It was very nice. Looked good, not a crazy amount of bends and tubing...and it was clean inside.

Whatever you go with, get rid of that stock engine strangler quick.
Old May 29, 2006 | 08:10 PM
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>>>If you want the injen...get the YDR. It's an exact clone of the Injen for about half the price

I second that, a YDR with a big fat K&N on the tip is the best dollar-for-performance ratio you'll find. I just wish my YDR had come with a nice "YDR" window sticker so I could show off my el-cheapo pimpness.
Old Jun 3, 2006 | 03:51 PM
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I'd go with the Injen or YDR. They have roughly a 5.5HP increase, where the Fujita has only about a 2HP increase. The only cool thing about a Fujita intake is the color, and you get a free duffel bag, hat and NOS energy drink with each purchase.
Old Jun 5, 2006 | 10:10 PM
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You post sir, at best, is laughable.

First, where are you getting your dyno figures from? I have never seen any published figures from Fujita for the xB short ram intake. Also, the Injen website shows only a 3.5 hp gain at peak horsepower. I know that there is an old intake shoot out on this forum, but you can test the same intake on the same car on a different dyno or a different day and get completely different numbers. When you are talking about a couple of horsepower at best, there are other factors that should be weighed heavier than "peak" performance numbers on a dyno.

Second, the Fujita design (in my opinion) is far superior to the Injen or YDR. The overall shape of the airflow on all three designs is virtually identical. However the Injen and YDR place the vent hose before the MAF, which can cause problems. Only the Fujita places the vent hose after the MAF.

I can also say from personal experience that it performs well for what it is. All of the other items you mentioned that came with the intake are nice, but they are far from what sold me on this intake as opposed to all of my other options. Not to mention the fact that the Fujita F5 short ram can now be had at an extremely reasonable price (under $140 shipped).
Old Jun 5, 2006 | 11:11 PM
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injen short ram. yeeiii thats what the fuji has.
Old Jun 6, 2006 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by RTon20s
You post sir, at best, is laughable.

First, where are you getting your dyno figures from? I have never seen any published figures from Fujita for the xB short ram intake. Also, the Injen website shows only a 3.5 hp gain at peak horsepower. I know that there is an old intake shoot out on this forum, but you can test the same intake on the same car on a different dyno or a different day and get completely different numbers. When you are talking about a couple of horsepower at best, there are other factors that should be weighed heavier than "peak" performance numbers on a dyno.

Second, the Fujita design (in my opinion) is far superior to the Injen or YDR. The overall shape of the airflow on all three designs is virtually identical. However the Injen and YDR place the vent hose before the MAF, which can cause problems. Only the Fujita places the vent hose after the MAF.

I can also say from personal experience that it performs well for what it is. All of the other items you mentioned that came with the intake are nice, but they are far from what sold me on this intake as opposed to all of my other options. Not to mention the fact that the Fujita F5 short ram can now be had at an extremely reasonable price (under $140 shipped).
Well, laugh all you want.

http://www.ptuning.com/html/Item-Des...l&ModelDesc=xB
That's where I found my figures. Click on 'Dyno Chart' - Does that not look like 2HP to you?

And the only thing I'm basing my figures on for the Injen SR is here http://www.ptuning.com/html/Item-Des...l&ModelDesc=xB

Consider me misinformed, and you a douche.
Old Jun 6, 2006 | 10:43 PM
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Very quick helpful post!
Old Jun 7, 2006 | 06:58 PM
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Well you can consider me a "douche" all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that dynos can be manipulated, as well as the data produced from them. Especially when you are talking about a difference of only a couple of horsepower.

All the Injen page states is a 5.6 whp gain. It never states where, and shows no plotted dyno run. I could take the information shown on the dyno run for the Fujita SRI and make very similar claims. Sure it makes only 2 whp more at peak, but along the power curve it makes more than 5 additional whp.

Bottom line, who gives a crap about the dyno/hp numbers for these intakes anyway. The performance between them is so similar it isn't worth a debate. What is worth debating is the actual design. And in that category Fujita takes it hands down. And if I wanted an inferior design I would save myself the money and get a YDR over the Injen unit.
Old Jun 7, 2006 | 07:13 PM
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I've got the Fujita, and seeing how you live in NC I might advise getting a SRI. I'm in Washington DC metro area, we don't get as much rain as you but we get enough of it for me to be afraid of CAI's and Hydrolock. Although if you can get your hands on the AEM bypass filter and a corrosponding CAI I think that might be suitable too. As far as numbers, well I dunno there are arguements all over SL about what is better and what has more power. But the one thing that most people seem to agree on is to get the most out of your intake, headers and exhaust should follow up shortly afterwards. I have a Fujita, Strup header, Strup V2. axle back, and to be honest I know it pulls a little better then stock but I haven't driven a stock xB in a while. Good luck and use the search if you have to ask it chances are someone else already asked it for you.
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