... please i know it's another turbo thread, but here me out.. i know the owners of this company personally...

anyways they are looking for 1 test subject.. and 10 other people to purchase this kit.
They are going to start engineering the kit soon and will finish production in 30 days..estimated MSRP will be round 3500 including everything... estimated power increase is 70 WHP.. If you havent heard of them, they have been around, just not big time. They are finally opening up their SHOP SHOP in the bay area. They have built numerous fast daily driven street cars..everything from hondas,toyota, to domestics. most recently a street driven 410 WHP saturn...

Now i know you guys dont want to see this.. BUT I can get this kit into production relatively quick, as i might be the test mule..

Please dont (i know you will) WHO's interested. I'm here to answer some of you questions.

 

70 WHP seems a little overly optimistic from a 1.5 rated at around 92 WHP stock yes?

 

Im interested, if everything is kosher...i got the scratch.

 

70 WHP is just about right.. considering revhards kit is 158WHP @ 7 psi

 

Are turbos automatically CARB approved/legal?

 

tell me more. want to know the facts. 1 test mule and 10 people at $3500. they need to lower the price a bit. only one test car and i'm gonna give them 3500. shiat what kinda warranty? what makes this company diserve our business more than say a greddy, revhard? besides the expected extra h.p.

 

no, they have to be tested for emissions which takes time and money

 

My big question would be warrenty also with only one test mule. The price is a little high also for the application it's designed for. What all is included in the kit to get this price?

 

108hp

7psi would add about 50% more power
thats a wee bit over 50hp

but the kit will include a headder and intake most likely
so maybe another 10

thats getting close

raise the boost to 8 or 9 and you are getting somewhere.

 

108 at the engine. It is ~ 92 hp at the wheels which is what he was stating. Just like the first post stated the kit giving 70 hp at the wheels. I don't see that happening from a stock of 92 WHP also.

 

getting close to an 80% increase over WHP.....just seems too good to be true!Like getting 900 HP out of a viper just by supercharging.

 

dude, this is very possible but don't for myself or others on this board to be guinea pigs. that is why their warranty is important to me. if my ____ blows all to hell i want to know it will be fixed

 

with the paxton supercharger its about 886hp

150-160whp at 7-8psi of boost should be no problem with proper tuning out of the 1nz-fe
revhards kit is 158WHP @ 7 psi
at 8 psi of boost i would expect to see somewhere around 168whp

 

The convention seems to be.....and this is just for people to get rough estimates........but.......you can expect about 8 hp for every 1 psi of boost. Again......this is just to get a ballpark figure......as all kits are going to be different......and there is a lot more to calculating the HP gain than just multiplying boost by 8. But when all is said and done.....if the kit is good.......the 8 hp rule seems to get you relatively close.

So......7 psi should get you in about the 54 extra hp ballpark.

For example. My previous car was a 1987 240 Volvo sporting the B230F engine with 114 hp at the crank.

My mom's car is a 1994 940 turbo Volvo sporting the B230FT engine (the T meaning turbo.....so, the turbo version of the engine in my 240). The stock turbo comes set at 7 psi. Horsepower at the crank is 168.

168-114= 54 additional hp.....right on the money for 7 psi

What this translates into at the wheels I don't know.

But....still....PSI times 8 is just a ballpark estimate. There's much more to it.

KiL

 

I don't know of any revhard kits being carb exempt. Being carb exempt takes a lot of money and time. Thus usually only bigger companies have the money and time to do it (i.e. greddy). A lot of times you will see "pending carb exemption." THis may mean that they are trying to get carb exemption, but i have seen kits that have been out for over a year that still say "pending carb exemption." Basically I really doubt the revhard kit will ever recieve exemption.

 

To get 70WHP as stated you need to be pushing around 85 HP at the engine. As cool as this would be by just slaaping on a turbo I just don't see it being possible out of a 108hp engine. Unless some engine work is done also to handle that power increse.

This is why I would be interested in a warrenty since there will be one test mule with limited testing.

 

well he said 3500 for a kit right? so this means theres other stuff with it? well wouldn't the intercooler and possible larger piping increase the hp too? i'm just wondering if the the kit has sum extra stuff thats gonna make that extra 20 somin whp.

 

To run the boost to get that hp it would definately have to come with an intercooler. It would also need to come with an ecu to adjust the fuel/air ratios. You will probably also need to run larger fuel injectors and possibly another fuel pump to deliver it. Even then. How will the internals of this engine handle that boost. Will we need stronger pistons, rings, etc......

This is why they need more than one test mule and they should be on the test mules for at least 6 months to get everything working right before they sell them to the public. Either that or offer to replace the engine when the setup blows it.

 

Yea Kil, alot more to it.......
there an equation for it but heres some baselines:
7psi..........142whp
8psi..........149.5whp
9psi..........157whp
10psi........Damn near kaboom!!!!! I hope you stoped hear with a stock engine....

 

It took us 5 months to kill a Del Sol Si (Single cam VTEC d16z6) @ 11psi - 12psi of pure beat down, no holds barred with a greddy kit. Just blew the rings haha.