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That's because autox is more about driver skill than the car. Ever notice that kind of fat pudgy bastard who drives a Ferrari? There's a pic on riceboy.com of a lamborghini Murcielago on the autocross. . . why? because the F* er cruised around the track going at a speed as slow as a crawl. . . given equally capable drivers, both the Sti and Evo would be better for most motor sports than the xA. But thankfully, most drivers suck. It is very possible to beat an Evo or Sti at the autox, because the smallest mistakes will cost you the race. . . there is no room or time to come in too hot or take a turn too wide.
By the way. . . there is always something better, regardless. . . racing an xA. . . or an Evo. . . or a Lotus Elise . . . or an F1 race car. . . or the Space Shuttle. . . racing is about having fun, in your particular class, and winning in your particular class.
There's also such a thing as certain cars being better at certain things. You wanna go ICE racing, you want a Front wheel drive, front engine car (weight on the wheels). You wanna do drag racing? It has to be RWD. Mountain runs and off road? You want 4wd!
Because a Mitsu Evo ain't sheet compared to a top fuel, 5 second drag car in the 1/4 mile. . . and the top fuel dragster ain't sheet compared to the Evo hittin up laguna seca.
By the way. . . there is always something better, regardless. . . racing an xA. . . or an Evo. . . or a Lotus Elise . . . or an F1 race car. . . or the Space Shuttle. . . racing is about having fun, in your particular class, and winning in your particular class.
There's also such a thing as certain cars being better at certain things. You wanna go ICE racing, you want a Front wheel drive, front engine car (weight on the wheels). You wanna do drag racing? It has to be RWD. Mountain runs and off road? You want 4wd!
Because a Mitsu Evo ain't sheet compared to a top fuel, 5 second drag car in the 1/4 mile. . . and the top fuel dragster ain't sheet compared to the Evo hittin up laguna seca.
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^^^ Well put~ 
What makes a car fast is a combination of driver's skill, brakes and handling. Horsepower will come when the driver knows how to use it.
In the end, it's the driver that makes the car, not the other way around.
What makes a car fast is a combination of driver's skill, brakes and handling. Horsepower will come when the driver knows how to use it.
In the end, it's the driver that makes the car, not the other way around.
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So it's skill completely that allows the CRX to beat an F360?
No, it's not.
The courses are designed in a way that heavily favors short wheelbases and narrow tracks.
Just like my slotcar would beat any XA around its track if I penalized the Scion every time itstire crossed an edge. Does that make the average Tyco a race car? Would that make such a competition 'racing'?
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No, it's not.
The courses are designed in a way that heavily favors short wheelbases and narrow tracks.
Just like my slotcar would beat any XA around its track if I penalized the Scion every time itstire crossed an edge. Does that make the average Tyco a race car? Would that make such a competition 'racing'?
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If you don't have the ability/equipment to excel in a sport, why try? Just because a CRX beats and F360 doesn't mean that sport is any less valid.
Does the guy that weight 110 pounds wrestle the heavyweight? No....because he doesn't have the right equipment(140 pounds) to do well. Unless he's got some crazy skills, he's going to get beat every time.
Don't hate the car that fails...hate the driver that attempted w/o being capable.
Does the guy that weight 110 pounds wrestle the heavyweight? No....because he doesn't have the right equipment(140 pounds) to do well. Unless he's got some crazy skills, he's going to get beat every time.
Don't hate the car that fails...hate the driver that attempted w/o being capable.
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Originally Posted by mandos
If you don't have the ability/equipment to excel in a sport, why try? Just because a CRX beats and F360 doesn't mean that sport is any less valid.
Does the guy that weight 110 pounds wrestle the heavyweight? No....because he doesn't have the right equipment(140 pounds) to do well. Unless he's got some crazy skills, he's going to get beat every time.
Don't hate the car that fails...hate the driver that attempted w/o being capable.
Does the guy that weight 110 pounds wrestle the heavyweight? No....because he doesn't have the right equipment(140 pounds) to do well. Unless he's got some crazy skills, he's going to get beat every time.
Don't hate the car that fails...hate the driver that attempted w/o being capable.
Is there a translator in the house?
-Justin
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people don't realize that when they read about a certain
car doing certain numbers, or beating certain cars..
its by pro's.. they think wahtever they read is actually what
they can do..
and its not about what kinda car u have, its how u drive your car! anyways.. 3 seats is better than foo's getting oversized spoilers, and retarded ___ budget rims.
car doing certain numbers, or beating certain cars..
its by pro's.. they think wahtever they read is actually what
they can do..
and its not about what kinda car u have, its how u drive your car! anyways.. 3 seats is better than foo's getting oversized spoilers, and retarded ___ budget rims.
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Originally Posted by hahajoey
people don't realize that when they read about a certain
car doing certain numbers, or beating certain cars..
its by pro's.. they think wahtever they read is actually what
they can do..
and its not about what kinda car u have, its how u drive your car! anyways.. 3 seats is better than foo's getting oversized spoilers, and retarded ___ budget rims.
car doing certain numbers, or beating certain cars..
its by pro's.. they think wahtever they read is actually what
they can do..
and its not about what kinda car u have, its how u drive your car! anyways.. 3 seats is better than foo's getting oversized spoilers, and retarded ___ budget rims.
Let me say that I do appreciate the work and creativity that went into the mod. I also know that the weight reduction provides a real performance gain.
I was only saying that it is more drastic a modification than I would be willing to make for autocross.
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Originally Posted by justinb
Originally Posted by mandos
If you don't have the ability/equipment to excel in a sport, why try? Just because a CRX beats and F360 doesn't mean that sport is any less valid.
Does the guy that weight 110 pounds wrestle the heavyweight? No....because he doesn't have the right equipment(140 pounds) to do well. Unless he's got some crazy skills, he's going to get beat every time.
Don't hate the car that fails...hate the driver that attempted w/o being capable.
Does the guy that weight 110 pounds wrestle the heavyweight? No....because he doesn't have the right equipment(140 pounds) to do well. Unless he's got some crazy skills, he's going to get beat every time.
Don't hate the car that fails...hate the driver that attempted w/o being capable.
Is there a translator in the house?
-Justin
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Originally Posted by djct_watt
Dude! Original, and functional!
On a very serious side not tho. . . I've been getting REALLY annoyed at SL for the last month or so. . . all these idiots are coming up and posting really stupid posts. . . yeah yeah, to be fair, they have to be free to express their opinions, but damnit, enough is enough. It's like there are these little kids posting stupid comments and laughing at Tamago (who is kickin butt in autox). Then there are these idiot people who post on xA and xB forums spouting off about how ugly they are. There used to be some issues with a certain someone who would constantly talk smack on tC's. . . but that STOPPED. Oh yeah, and then the idiots going off about beating SS Camaro's and WS6's in their bone stock Camaro's and 35 nitrous shot Corolla S's. And then there's people telling others that HID's will melt your headlights because the K's are higher. I mean c'mon! I really wish these people could just get booted. . . it's a waste of bandwidth and everyone's time. It's misinformation-R-us.
When I first joined, almost a year ago, everyone was so keen to help out, and make constructive criticisms. . . I know I won't get it my way, but to all those ebay rice chip moddifiers and ignorant pompous airheads, you guys are ALL :loser: :loser: :loser: :loser: :loser: . So STFU, cause nobody cares nor wants to hear your stupid, stupid opinions.
Back to the topic, those seats rock. Being able to stay IN your seat is MUCH more important in autocross than a lot of well placed engine mods. I know, because I've dabbled around, and it's not easy shifting and controlling the car, when your head is pressed against the side window. It's also convenient, as you now have 3 seats, and it would take little work to pop that sucker out for track days. I can't wait to see what other mods you come up with.
On a very serious side not tho. . . I've been getting REALLY annoyed at SL for the last month or so. . . all these idiots are coming up and posting really stupid posts. . . yeah yeah, to be fair, they have to be free to express their opinions, but damnit, enough is enough. It's like there are these little kids posting stupid comments and laughing at Tamago (who is kickin butt in autox). Then there are these idiot people who post on xA and xB forums spouting off about how ugly they are. There used to be some issues with a certain someone who would constantly talk smack on tC's. . . but that STOPPED. Oh yeah, and then the idiots going off about beating SS Camaro's and WS6's in their bone stock Camaro's and 35 nitrous shot Corolla S's. And then there's people telling others that HID's will melt your headlights because the K's are higher. I mean c'mon! I really wish these people could just get booted. . . it's a waste of bandwidth and everyone's time. It's misinformation-R-us.
When I first joined, almost a year ago, everyone was so keen to help out, and make constructive criticisms. . . I know I won't get it my way, but to all those ebay rice chip moddifiers and ignorant pompous airheads, you guys are ALL :loser: :loser: :loser: :loser: :loser: . So STFU, cause nobody cares nor wants to hear your stupid, stupid opinions.
Back to the topic, those seats rock. Being able to stay IN your seat is MUCH more important in autocross than a lot of well placed engine mods. I know, because I've dabbled around, and it's not easy shifting and controlling the car, when your head is pressed against the side window. It's also convenient, as you now have 3 seats, and it would take little work to pop that sucker out for track days. I can't wait to see what other mods you come up with.
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Originally Posted by mandos
Originally Posted by justinb
Originally Posted by mandos
If you don't have the ability/equipment to excel in a sport, why try? Just because a CRX beats and F360 doesn't mean that sport is any less valid.
Does the guy that weight 110 pounds wrestle the heavyweight? No....because he doesn't have the right equipment(140 pounds) to do well. Unless he's got some crazy skills, he's going to get beat every time.
Don't hate the car that fails...hate the driver that attempted w/o being capable.
Does the guy that weight 110 pounds wrestle the heavyweight? No....because he doesn't have the right equipment(140 pounds) to do well. Unless he's got some crazy skills, he's going to get beat every time.
Don't hate the car that fails...hate the driver that attempted w/o being capable.
Is there a translator in the house?
-Justin
-Justin
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Originally Posted by TurboMe
even if the evo/sti driver is ____tty as hell he can miss shift twice, over steer, under steer and still come back and smoke ya. 
FSP 157 Joel Geisinger Scion xA 45.894
AS 244 Chris Parker Dodge Viper GTS 46.619
SM 282 Chi ho Subaru WRX STi 47.943
EM 812 Shubert Chang Nissan Skyline GTR 48.220
EM 11 Steven Burns Chevy Corvette 48.456
STU 527 Scott Janssens 03 Mitsu Evolution 8 46.154
STU 731 Craig Bishop Mitsu Evo 8 47.815
extracted from http://autox.carlc.com/results/11-29...041128_pax.htm
i'm pretty sure at least one of these guys missed a shift
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Originally Posted by justinb
Originally Posted by mandos
Originally Posted by StackTrayce
To me anything where you are trying to accomplish a set task in as little time as possible or before other competitors is racing.
I like it.
It's not like you're judged on a subjective platform such as in figure skating.
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Originally Posted by justinb
Autox IMHO is not racing. Racing does not occur in a parking lot full of cones and should involve cornering speeds over 30mph.
I'm not saying that autox is not competitive or that it doesn;t require skill. I'm just saying that you autox your car, you don't race it.
-Justin
I'm not saying that autox is not competitive or that it doesn;t require skill. I'm just saying that you autox your car, you don't race it.
-Justin
$50 says no..
and btw, i spend most my time at 50+ MPH (top of second gear) .. not bad for 105HP lolol, imagine the 400HP skyline GTR
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Originally Posted by Tamago
Originally Posted by TurboMe
even if the evo/sti driver is ____tty as hell he can miss shift twice, over steer, under steer and still come back and smoke ya. :rofl:
FSP 157 Joel Geisinger Scion xA 45.894
AS 244 Chris Parker Dodge Viper GTS 46.619
SM 282 Chi ho Subaru WRX STi 47.943
EM 812 Shubert Chang Nissan Skyline GTR 48.220
EM 11 Steven Burns Chevy Corvette 48.456
STU 527 Scott Janssens 03 Mitsu Evolution 8 46.154
STU 731 Craig Bishop Mitsu Evo 8 47.815
extracted from http://autox.carlc.com/results/11-29...041128_pax.htm
i'm pretty sure at least one of these guys missed a shift :silly: :silly:
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Originally Posted by mrbridge
In pic 3 of the ones Miko hosted is that an aluminum block it's resting on? Secure? Final assembly? Was the angle intended?
very secure
final assy minus some touchup to the edges, and black powdercoat
angle fully intended, to get the back of your knees some support. the seats will eventually be resting on 1/4" rubber grommets to give a bit of "give" while maintaining the same sturdy mounting currently in place.
thanx for the intelligent questions btw
i get sick of "yo, your car is mad ricer yo cuz you gotz 3 seats n ____, in your xA .. yo my xBBBEEEEE will kill your xAAAAA "
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Originally Posted by Tamago
Originally Posted by justinb
Autox IMHO is not racing. Racing does not occur in a parking lot full of cones and should involve cornering speeds over 30mph.
I'm not saying that autox is not competitive or that it doesn;t require skill. I'm just saying that you autox your car, you don't race it.
-Justin
I'm not saying that autox is not competitive or that it doesn;t require skill. I'm just saying that you autox your car, you don't race it.
-Justin
$50 says no..
and btw, i spend most my time at 50+ MPH (top of second gear) .. not bad for 105HP lolol, imagine the 400HP skyline GTR
I understand there are some places where autox is still what it was meant to be... but there are some freaking nuts who live and breathe autox. You know, the people who can afford a race car and will trailer a special-built autox car instead of stepping up to road racing.
I think those people make autox damned near un-enjoyable for a lot of people who just want to go mess around with their street cars (IMHO, the root and purpose of autox in the first place).
So yes, I have autoxed. No, I no longer will. Spending 8 hours in a parking lot to get 3 minutes of run time just doesn't make sense for me.
-Justin
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i got into autoX becaus i think drag racing is utterly pointless.. u can spend 10,000 dollars on a freakin car, and still get your ___ whupped by a stock Z06. so it's a thrill to know u can whup up on very fast production cars with your 12,000 dollar xA.. while pencil ***** is trying to make payments on his ***** extension, i'm whuppin up on him at the course.
i wish i could afford to really build the engine, get into serious road racign, but i cant'.. for now, this is my calling.
i wish i could afford to really build the engine, get into serious road racign, but i cant'.. for now, this is my calling.
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Originally Posted by Max2k
Originally Posted by Tamago
Originally Posted by TurboMe
even if the evo/sti driver is ____tty as hell he can miss shift twice, over steer, under steer and still come back and smoke ya.
FSP 157 Joel Geisinger Scion xA 45.894
AS 244 Chris Parker Dodge Viper GTS 46.619
SM 282 Chi ho Subaru WRX STi 47.943
EM 812 Shubert Chang Nissan Skyline GTR 48.220
EM 11 Steven Burns Chevy Corvette 48.456
STU 527 Scott Janssens 03 Mitsu Evolution 8 46.154
STU 731 Craig Bishop Mitsu Evo 8 47.815
extracted from http://autox.carlc.com/results/11-29...041128_pax.htm
i'm pretty sure at least one of these guys missed a shift
blame the torque wrench