Hello,

I am new to the forums and to car audio and to owning a scion in general. :D

I am getting my xb in a week or so (the dealer had to order it) and I am looking at upgrading the factory stereo system.

I have done some looking and research on this forum and elsewhere and have decided to try this setup:

Head Unit

Pioneer DEH-P4800MP http://www.crutchfield.com/S-Fmu39GZ...0&I=130DEHP480

Component Front Speakers

Kicker KS5.2 http://www.crutchfield.com/S-Fmu39GZ...410&I=2065KS52

Front Amp

Rockford Fosgate P2002 http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAu...roductID=14319

Rear Sub

Rockford Fosgate P312D4 http://www.crutchfield.com/S-Fmu39GZ...20&I=575P312D4

Rear Amp

Rockford Fosgate P4002 http://www.crutchfield.com/S-Fmu39GZ...120&I=575P4002


I am going to custom build an enclosure....the sub needs ~.75 cu ft.

I would like comments on the setup and any of the gear if anyone has experience with it....


I also would like to know:

1) Any suggestions for wiring the sub amp and the sub, because it is DVC and I am not sure the optimum way to wire that....bridged the amp gives out 400 RMS at 4 ohms x1 and the sub will take 500 rms, so that seems like the best option, but i am not sure how the DVC come in to play.


Thanks very much!

-Tyler

 

Check out www.edesignaudio.com

 

I'd stay away from the inexpensive kicker components.... they take A LOT of effort to make them sound as good as comparably priced components... for $50 less, the Elemental Design eDi600s components will sound 10x better.... other good brands to look into are:

JL Audio, Boston Acoustics, Focal, CDT Audio (excellent), some MB Quarts... the list goes on....

I agree with ^^Paragon about looking into Elemental Design... their service and Scion support is top notch and their products are amazing!! For the prices you'll pay with them, they cant be beat... plus you get a 3year transferable warranty...

 

thanks for the advice....forgot to mention they are going in an XB.....i will probably go with ED for the components....


but I am pretty set on RF for the sub and amps.....any opinions on the rockford fosgate gear? experiences?


Thanks again.

-Tyler

 

I really like RF's older stuff, but I haven't heard much good or bad about the new stuff... heard the product has declined since years ago when they were on top of the audio market... my 2 RF "s" series amps have ran excellent... if you're getting RF amps, make sure they have plenty of ventalation, they get rather warm..

 

I can't really speak to the newer RF stuff too much either but in the past they have been a pretty reputable company. In regards to the warm heat sinks I would say that's a good thing. I'd rather have the heat in the sink than on the transistors. Plus, Rockford used to use a technology called MEHSA (Maximum Efficiency Heat Sink Application) that often kept the sinks hot but the insides cool. Finally, I would recommend a larger enclosure than .75 for a 12" driver. I would think 1.25 or larger would be appropriate. While I can't recommend the ED stuff since I haven't heard it yet the JL Audio and Boston Acoustics plugs are good ones. Mark

 

^^ x3 on eD...heres a Scion specific page:
http://www.edesignaudio.com/scion.php
Direct to you pricing-no middleman markup. Great SQ and bang for the buck.

 

so, i dont get it, are our speakers 5 1/4 or 6 1/2? b/c on the crutchfield page it says 5 1/4 but the Elemental's only come in 6.5

 

6.5's fit up front when you make a 3/4" MDF baffle to put them in... Elemental Design makes/sells the baffles if you don't have the tools/experience to do them yourself...

 

although i havnt expierenced ED or RF in my stereo years....I can say i have heard nothing but good comments about both.

I have gone with JL and MTX in my four systems i've put together. I would say MTX was the cleanest to me. personally ithink kicker is a name that you pay for, not a quality. but i've never had a kicker system so...

From what i have read in your set up, you should be just fine,

 

I love the old school RF amps. I'm pretty sure I still technically own two, but others are using them in their cars. They take punishment like nothing...but you could pretty easily cook an egg on one. Then again, running at 2 ohms bridged on an amp rated for 4 ohm bridged = hot

 

Thanks for all the feedback....checked out ED gear and I think I am going to go with that...because of all the great things I have been hearing and because of the cheaper price (when you order it as a package deal).

I am still going to get the pioneer head unit but the rest of the setup looks like this:

Front Components- eDi 6000s http://edesignaudio.com/product.php?...pid=28&cur=USD

Front Amp- NINe.4 http://edesignaudio.com/product.php?...pid=10&cur=USD

Rear Sub- 13Kv.2 http://edesignaudio.com/product.php?...pid=19&cur=USD

Rear Amp- NINe.2 http://edesignaudio.com/product.php?...pid=24&cur=USD


I am going to custom build an enclosure for the sub and the amp and try to work something out thats stealthy, because I just had my other car broken into (nothing in it worth stealing, thankfully) and I dont want that to happen again....I am going to get a security system installed, just have to figure out a good one.

how does the setup above look? should my power be pretty evenly matched between components and my sub?

Thanks for the input....ill put up pics of the install when I get it all in.

 

I'd suggest 2 NiNe.2's, one for fronts and one for sub... the nine.4 is more expensive and will give the 6000s less power than a Nine.2

 

I was planning on bridging the amp...in which case the NINe.4 would give 150 RMS and the NINe.2 (unbridged) would just give 100 RMS

Plus I have the coupon code for 50$ off the NINE.4


Unless I am misunderstanding something? :D

 

I know you said you wanted the 13Kv.2, but you also said you wanted stealth. The best compromise I can think of is exactly what I installed in the wife's xB. We did a single 11Kv.2 installed in an Elegonics/Quarter Wave Designs downfiring enclosure under the passenger seat. The sound quality is excellent, and the bass is perfect. I have the gain down quite a bit on the amp right now, as well as an in-line bass controller because we are running the stock head unite and speakers.

If you want to check out the enclosure check the link. Elegonics is also an authorized Elemental Designs dealer. They offer the same exact pricing as ED, but add the convenience of a single source for your enclosure and speakers. James at Elegonics also pre-wired and installed the subwoofer in the enclosure for us as well. Mention Scionlife and ask James about a package deal, and I am sure he will hook you up with great prices.

http://www.elegonics.com/quarterwave.../DF_QD_XB.html

 

Honestly, Nine.2 > Nine.4 bridged on 6000s. A Nine.4 bridged can put out almost 300 watts given the correct circumstances(I've done it).

If you had your heart set on the Nine.4, I'd say do those + 11Kv.2 on a Nine.4 for super stealthy install

 

^^Nice enclosure-looks good-killer price!

btw, xB needs 2 x 3/4" for baffles. One triangle shaped with mounting holes, the other just a round one, screwed together for each door.

 

I have the eDi6000s comps and I'm looking to get an eD amp for them, but I don't know if I should get the NINe.2 or the NINe.4? I also do have a POS pair of Pyle 5.25" speakers in my rear hatch. So, would the NINe.2 or the NINe.4 be a better choice for me?
And I have a NINe.2x hooked up to (2) 13Kv.2's.

 

my jl 100/1 never overheats it takes a beating i have run my system at full capacity for a 12 hr drive never giving it a reast in the deasert and never had the slightest problem high end amps=clean power and high end performance. i hate to reccomend buying different amplifiers but if its a major problem for you you might wanna look into it

 

PaRaGoNViCtiM,

IMHO, I would disconnect the rear speaks (or run off the HU) and get a nine.2 for the 6000's.

The nine.2 is the perfect match for 6000's.

Depends if you want to amp the rears.