did i say i may request one dry carbon bar with out polish finished?
and you stop confuse other, i was answer your question that how can it be made different for carbon processing.

so once i got the bar you see it as dry carbon, then u know it is different.

 

Ill wait for you to get a non polished bar ...
How do you explain even the bolts & nut that bolt the bar to the mounting bracket are the same? Also explain how all the same parts used on the ebay bar are also used on your bar i.e. The adjustable nuts on the bar, the end links on the bar & the welds on the mounting bracket.

 

i think that when calvin was refering ot businesses secrets i think he ment he didnt want to show us a reciept of where he got the bar made, which i can respect.
because if he did that theres nothing to stop us from bypassing the middle man and going straight to that company and having them made for cost, minus his cut.

so no problem, however you can edit or blur parts out for confidentiality, but who cares its not important.

 

Ok lava, i can explian this to you.
As for cut cost production, easy way is get a product and copy it.
This way you saving design and development cost, only thing is both item will come out as same look. You are saving thouands of money by doing that.

is that helping you understand today's business market?

 

to excel, i cant speak for hot lava, i have no problem with calvin, I as a possible buyer of either this or the ebay bars would like to research both products, so i do feel it is in my and others interest to find out the differences, advantages and disadvantages between both bars.

Thats just the fact, WE dont know that they will do that, can you prove that the ebay ones will crack and break, and if they will crack and break, and calvins is manufactured to such similar specs that it came out identical, that what would that say about his product? we as the consumer have the right to know thier products before we purchased them, would you pay twice as much for an item that you could possibly get for half the cost? it depends right? if the cheaper item is identical, in all retrospects then why shell out double the money? however if the more expensive item was justified because it was somehow proven to be a superior product then i would have no problem paying double the money for a product that was double the quality or more.

however would you buy something for your scion that you were told was JDM? just because it was named JDM doesnt mean its JDM, you would want to see some sort of proof of its importing from Japan, right? i know i would if i truley wanted a JDM piece.

Maybe your not a JDM fan, lets co-relate this thought into something similar, would you buy a diamond ring for your wife/daughter if it was claimed to be 5 karat perfect diamond? wouldnt you like to see the certificate?

I allways try to give the benifit of the doubt, but nothing beats proof.

 

So since you cut cost there why should we think you didnt cut cost and a make the bar the "cheap" way.

Trust me I know the business market ... Im in the oil sales business. I work for an ExxonMobil oil distrubtor and as a salesman on the road I come across ____ product all day long being sold as good product.

Im not saying your product is ____ but I would like to see proof that it is better.

When a customer ask me to explain why my Mobil product is better then the product he is using, I show him written & proven data on paper, API Engine Oil Licensees, product data sheets & MSDS sheets. All this is in writing and backed by ExxonMobil & API. API is the company who decides what spec oil has to meet and also Licensees & Certifies all the oils that meet the spec.

 

My receipt is direct from factory, which is my secrect and you respect that i'm thank you.
I'm import those item myself, and i don't think that is you refer as "MIDDLE MAN".
without importer, you won't even get a middle man. If you like to buy it from factory at one piece, feel free to do it. There is alot open informantion about factory over sea, even USA factory.

like you say, sure you can edit or blur any thing you want. IF i show you some invoice, you can say that is fake, it has been edit or even you will say I made that up my self.

if you want some doc's i have my import document from broker. If this not stop you keep bashing me, feel free to contiune. Because turth is out there, it won't stop me keep telling you the turth.


Dae, there is no free lunch. People do need make money, else you won't get a job and many others. So do the Scionlife here, as we are seller we pay fee too.

 

Its dated 11/22/04 ... why did it take 3 months to post the sale ...
Thanks for the shipping doc.
Now do you have anything showing how the bar was made?

That was shipped to NY ... are you located in NY?

 

Lava, you just can't stop slap your self right?

you ask me "how come it both itme are look the same" so i explian it to you why and how people doing this way by bapass the design and develop cost.

So let me do this way in reverse, you become me, i become you.

Lava, can you show me that your product of 93octin gas is 93? Can you show me the picture how YOU make 93octin? I would love to see that i'm buying what i get.
How do i know that you didn't put 87octin into 93 gas tank and sell it as 93?
Can you proof that?
Hey don't forgot show me your invoice of making 87, 89 or 93 octin oil? Where dose it make?
BTW, how come 87 and 93 Gas look the same?

 

yeah man i respect what your doing, big upps for posting the freight bill.

 

I dont know anything about gas ... but oil I can tell you about oil ... Im not trying to bust your ***** ... just trying to see why someone should pay $175 for yours and no $80 for the other guys.

 

I don't make the product either I just distrube it for ExxonMobil ... If you ask them they will tell you how it is made and what the differences is between them!

 

this is import document. Which proof that i import prodcut my self, not like you say i got it from some one here.
it don't mean that is the date i got those in here.

for product, i have to request one from factory with no polish. Which Dry carbon can be tell just by look.

If you really want to know different processing of carbon, here is helpful site at www.fiberglast.com
They selling video also, or you can try to search online. There is some forums for the fiber processing.

AS I SAY, I WILL TRY TO GET DRY CARBON BAR WITH OUT POLISH. That is good enough for people see it.

if that is not good enough for you, which i can ask you this also. Can you show me every oz of Mobil oil made for 93octin? How can i know that i buying 100% 93octin?

 

i though you are the sales man, you have show people what you sale and how it made


As my question to your oil gas too, can you tell me why yor oil/gas are look same as shell, BP or some other non name brand?
Please tell me as you ask me, else i won't stop until you stop.

 

I told you I don't sell gas. I sell oil. All oil does NOT look the same. All the different weights of oils look different.
There are MANY differnent grades of oil
There is
Straight 10w
Straight 20w
Straight 30w
Straight 40w
Straight 50w
There there is also
0w20, 0w30, 0w40, 5w20, 5w30, 10w30, 10w40, 15w50, 20w50
Then there is different levels of the oil
Conventional
Semi-Synthetic
Fully-Synthetic

"Color" can vary depending on the refining process. Mobil uses a group 4 base stock which it more refined and most of your other companies only use a group 3 base stock which is less refined. and some even use a group 2 base stock which is even LESS refined. The "color" also depending alot on the additive pack that is in the oil. Each manufacture adds there own additive pack to their oil unique which inturn makes all the different oils "look" different.

Anything else!

 

ALSO Mobil has a quality controll program for all of their Gas Stations and Mobil 1 Lube Expresses, what is says is what you are getting, if the owner does not buy ONLY Mobil product and sell ONLY mobil product ExxonMobil will shut the station or quick lube down! You know what you are getting from Mobil!

 

Geez, do you demand this level of proof on everything? Especially when you're admittedly NOT in the market for the object being offered? You made your point, Caveat Emptor...

 

like you say, i'm not asking you to tell me different grade. I'm ASKing you to show me that how your oil was done with process.

 

hey ScionMan, you were ask me or HIM?
If that is you asking me, i can say is. What he ask me is what I ask him. If he not stop asking question, i belive i have to answer to all his question. Else i'll be end up that i'm just try to ripoff people as he refer.

If you were asking HIM, i have no idea.

 

I was asking him. Don't understand why he keeps jumping on your stuff...