hmm i though white or amber reflectors were ok for the front. i was wrong i see.

any pics of the "fixed" product?

woat if the lens has been tampered with ie. resealed, painted HID's etc etc?

 

Oh but clear corners are so cool, who's the NHTSA to say we can't play around with safety features!? If I want flashing green taillights and an ejection seat it's my problem, so

 

dont forget the red and blue strobes in the headlights!

 

Thanks , it's good to be able to come here for reliable info.

 

Odd that the notice is for one year (2005) and for 292,000 units. That would have to be the entire production run.

 

This isn't any new. The Anzo headlights were already recalled, and the new ones have clear reflectors in the corners.

 

The search I did at the NHTSA site was for 2005 xB - so that's what I got.

I'm sure the 292,000 units covered a lot more than the couple thousand units for the 2005 xB...

In the US, ALL cars built after a certain date MUST have AMBER reflectors at the front sides. White reflectors on them are not legal, not having the reflectors is not legal, and this has been covered, in great detail, on ScionLife, before. The only difference here is this is official (and expensive) federal notice to the manufacturers, sellers, and purchasers.

Tomas

 

Nice to see our goverment, once again, has their priorities straight...

* not ******* your post Tomas....you always have good info. Just making a statement regarding those idiots in charge.

 

(HeathenBrewing, this isn't really aimed at you, you just triggered a response...)

Well, "the government" is composed of many pieces.

Some have the job of protecting our country, constitution, and people (me, when I was military), others have the job of selling government surplus to recover what money they can from things no longer of use to the government (my ex, for the last 40+years), some have the job of finding and arresting criminals (my late brother-in-law), some have the job of polishing monuments and sweeping streets (my grandfather) and others have the job of investigating vehicle accidents, formulating rules to make them less likely to happen, and enforcing those rules (NHTSA).

Complaining that the street sweeper, junk dealer, or vehicle safety people aren't chasing down terrorists is a specious argument at best. Trust me, you don't want those folks trying to do that.

"The government" covers everything from the meter maids, dog catchers, and street sweepers, to the President of the United States, and each job has only a certain range of things they are supposed to do.

I don't want a bunch of Special Forces troops running the NIH, and I don't want a bunch of old, overweight, physically inactive clerks from the local library chasing terrorists across a rock strewn desert.

The NHTSA folks are doing their job, which is trying to make vehicles as safe as they can, as economically as they can.

That means, in part, establishing and enforcing rules.

Even the reason all cars have red brake lights is only because of law. If those laws didn't exist, sure as Hell someone would decide they didn't like those lights and take 'em out, or would decide that blue would fit their color scheme better and change 'em.

Just because some folks who "modify" their cars don't like the rules, and take the attitude that since they don't like 'em they should be allowed to ignore them, doesn't mean they should be.

These safety items affect not only the questionable "aesthetics" of their vehicles, but the safety of everyone around them on the road.

So damned many times on ScionLife the actual laws are quoted, and the valid reasons for them are discussed, only to be followed by folks either wanting to know how to weasel out of following the laws, or just flat saying that they don't care, they are going to break them anyway.

After a while that crap just gets tiring.

Hey! How did I get up on this soapbox??? Uh, somebody wanna help me down? Thanks...

Tomas

 

**Helps Tomas off the soapbox just to jump on it**

Then why do they allow auto manufactures to gripe how "unrealistic" it is for US manufactures to meet the Kyoto treaty? I dont really know to be honest, maybe the NHTSA has nothing to do with that. Just a quick digression....

I am not arguing aganist having a standard for brake lights, just this one recall regarding the headlights.

How does the removal of a reflector make a car unsafe? I have seen the lights in question and I have seen the stock ones as well w/o a reflector. Guess what? With a working bulb in place, I never have had any trouble seeing a box signal for a turn. It does afterall have an amber side marker as well.

It just seems that some of these recalls are not really done for true safety reasons.

Do you (not you personally, just a general "you") really what to see less accidents on the road and safer highways? Make people re-take a DMV approved driving course every 3 years. Hell, every two years sounds even better. That would included a eye chart test as well.

This is one of the BIGGET problems facing Americans, nay, the World today.....I see it as a people problem, not a car problem. The problem is NOT cell phones or eating or switching CDs while driving, it is an inattention problem whose blame should be solely on the driver. When you are driving, your ONLY concern is to drive in a safe, responsible manner.

 

First off, the NHTSA has absolutely zero control over what the manufacturers say, nor should they.

OK, this is not about an amber turn signal but the required amber reflector to make the front corner of the vehicle visible when the lights are not on when it's dark - a parked car, for example.

The amber turn signal and amber side marker light do not in any way accomplish this, and in fact, the side marker light does not include a reflector of any color.

Interestingly enough, since my stroke in 2000 I have probably had more serious tests (reaction times, peripheral vision, bright light vision, dark vision, gross motor control, fine motor control, verbal and written understanding, memory), that I was required to pass before I was allowed to drive again, than I ever had before. I didn't have to pass as much back when I got my race license or pilots license.

Since then, I take a 16 hour driver's course every three years. (I have also been asked to teach it, but refused.)

So, back to reflectors. According to Section 108, all cars built since, IIRC, 1969, require side reflectors meeting size and reflectance requirements at the front (amber) and rear (red) of each side, visible from the side.

This has nothing to do with turn signals, and is an inexpensive, passive safety device so when your car dies in the middle of nowhere, Joe on the John Deere doesn't run you down at 25 MPH.

Yes, it IS a safety matter, and yes, it really does work.

More driver safety? Psychological tests, physical tests, and extended training. Some people are just too dangerous behind the wheel.

In the mean time, a few simple reflectors (six on each of our cars) is a small price to pay for that little bit of extra visibility in the dark.

Tomas

 

Not wanting to jump into the debate, but the year was 1968.

I know because I had a '68 Cougar. Same body style as the '67 with the addition of the side markers. Same deal with the Mustangs. (Dad has quite a few of those.)

 

The smog levels in Los Angeles have steadily declined over the last 30 years. Not because Detroit and Japan gaciously decided to build cleaner engines, but because "the government" made them follow clean air standards. As Spock would say, The good of the many outweighs the good of the few or the one............

 

Ahh.....the word illuminated caused me to think we were talking about something else entirely. Always something more to learn.

I like the idea of metal/physical evaluations though, along with an extended driving training course.

Driving is a privlage, not a right.

Na zdrowie Tomas!

 

Rozumiem.

Z poważaniem,

 

___ a## government f-ing with people...like they dont have more important sh*t to do..... i have clear corner and cops dont give me any crap about them

 

...then we have that sort of clown...



Tomas

 

i need to check and see if my headlights are anzo's, theyre starting to fog anyways, maybe i can get some new ones for free thanks for the post tomas...