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Old Jun 7, 2005 | 07:10 PM
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Anyone had their xA long enogh to need a clutch yet? Anyone with high mileage xA's in here...?

I have 15,000 on mine, (bought it in 11-2004) and do a lot of driving, mostly hard driving... Clutch doesn't seem to hold as well as it used to. Slips if I shift at high RPM.

I had an Echo that I had for 2 Years and put close to 55,000 miles on it. Clutch was still not showing the same signs of wear that my xA seems to be.

Does anyone know if the xA and Echo share the same clucth? Could there be a problem with my clutch hydraulics that there is less holding preassure or possibly not fully engaging/disengaging...?

Any help/similar experiences would be great!

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Old Jun 7, 2005 | 07:20 PM
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people with the xB's (same motor and trans) have had slipping clutches.

some as early as 2-3000 miles...

yes the echo has the same clutch.
buy an aftermarket clutch with greater holding power.
Old Jun 7, 2005 | 07:36 PM
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Could this clutch slipping be from the peppier gear ratios used in the xA & xB trannies...? Quicker accelerating gear ratios = higher torque multiplication = more torque being handled by the clutch assembly... Are my thoughts making sense or might I just be a bit of a donkey?

Anyone have the TRD clutch? If so, any slippage with it?

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Originally Posted by JMD83
Could this clutch slipping be from the peppier gear ratios used in the xA & xB trannies...? Quicker accelerating gear ratios = higher torque multiplication = more torque being handled by the clutch assembly... Are my thoughts making sense or might I just be a bit of a donkey?

Anyone have the TRD clutch? If so, any slippage with it?

Thanks again for the responses!
thats actually the reason.

TRD clutches are a step above stock and should do you well...
Old Jun 7, 2005 | 08:18 PM
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Guess I shouldn't doubt myself... Maybe I do rock! Never mind...
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I would like toyota to at least generate a technical bulletin reagrding this authorizing a stronger clutch for toyota Service reps to use as a replacement. now I know I can just change it out however according to SCCA rules if I do I endup in a class I really don't want to be in, with a technical bulletin (Just a peice of paper really) I can change clutches and stay in the right class.
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Originally Posted by Ashe_WCM
I would like toyota to at least generate a technical bulletin reagrding this authorizing a stronger clutch for toyota Service reps to use as a replacement. now I know I can just change it out however according to SCCA rules if I do I endup in a class I really don't want to be in, with a technical bulletin (Just a peice of paper really) I can change clutches and stay in the right class.
If I were to bring it in, would this issue mean it is under warranty? If so, then could I pay the difference to upgrade to TRD?
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you can talk that over with your service dept...
they have done it for other people on here
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15k and slipping already.. YOu driving it hard at all?
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you can talk that over with your service dept...
they have done it for other people on here
^^^^ That sounds good.

Here's a silly question, anyone notice better fuel mileage after the TRD clutch install? Or, since the clutch is TRD, that means thrash on the car even harder, thus less fuel mileage...?!?!
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15k is a good bit of miles for this weak clutch.
mine went at 3k

i would not recomend getting another toyota clutch.
upgrade and be happy for life.
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Originally Posted by JMD83
you can talk that over with your service dept...
they have done it for other people on here
^^^^ That sounds good.

Here's a silly question, anyone notice better fuel mileage sfter the TRD clutch install? Or, since the clutch is TRD, that means thrash on the car even harder, thus less fuel mileage...?!?!
i did notice about 1-2 mpg better...
i used the clutch masters not the trd, but anything is better than stock.

i think because my clutch slipped at high speeds 75-80...that caused a loss of mpg...
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Originally Posted by boostedscion
15k and slipping already.. YOu driving it hard at all?
I'd have to say 60% hard and 40% not hard. Both my fiance' and myself drive it. She is a bit easier than I am. She doesn't fly through the gears as close to redline as I do when she needs to move in a hurry...

I launch semi hard 30% of the time, I keep it in the power band when negotiating corners/ on-off ramps, etc. I rev match when downshifting probably 40% of the time.

I do belive this could be considerred driving hard...

On the flip side, I drove my Echo the same way for 2 Years and 55,000 miles and it never felt this way up to the day I traded it in...



I don't get it... The above mentioned gear ration theory sounds pretty reasonable, or I also think that the Scion line gets a lesser grade of material than Toyota in order to keep costs down...? Unless the O.E. Echo Clutch and the O.E. Scion Clutch are the same Part Number...
Could the hydraulics be a part of the problem? Not fully engaging/disengaging? Do the hydraulics have anything to do with the clamping preasure? (I don't think they do...)

I guess the saga continues...
Old Jun 8, 2005 | 04:53 PM
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Damn. You guys must really drive hard or drive way to often during rush hour (stop and go traffic). I have over 46k on my xA. No problems with the clutch yet.
Old Jun 14, 2005 | 09:12 PM
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ive got almost 19000 miles and im having the same slippage problems...i had an Accord before it and that clutch had almost 70k on it and a bolt on turbo for 40 of it and nothing and it was from the dealer...i have a feeling im going to need a new clutch before 25k...and that blows
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30k miles. . . no slippage. I drive hard, engine brake, and make fast shifts. . . but I've always rev-matched.
Old Jun 15, 2005 | 10:27 PM
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^^^ means he also power shifts j/k
Old Oct 21, 2005 | 05:35 PM
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i have 2,500 miles on mine, ive owned it for 2 months and i am showing signs of slippage, also if i mat the gas and i even rest my foot on the clutch pedal, it disengages... i called toyota and asked them if i could have a trd put in if i paid the difference and they said it was a possibility...I called scions corperate office and they logged it in there system and said if alot of people start calling then theres a good posibility they will do something about it...so if you want to complain feel free to cal 1-866-707-2466 and make a case...i did
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mine xA started slipping at about 35,000. My dad and I replaced it with an exedy clutch. the stock clutch just got eaten up.
Old Oct 21, 2005 | 05:59 PM
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try adding exhaust and headers . my clutch slips all the time at 6k with the new power goodies i have. when i replace the clutch the lightened flywheel goes in to keep it company haha



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