do you think that the box could pull a small trailer with 1 or 2 dirt bikes??

 

Could you please post a pic of a rear view with the receiver empty? I want to put one on my box for my bike rack, but don't want it to stick out like a sore thumb....

How much and where'd ya get it? Thanks for doing this first and posting pics so we could all benefit.

 

Where can i get one?? How much?? what size is the receiver??

 

As far as the owners manual, it doesn't say to install CAI's or lower your springs or install larger wheels. And a VW bus is fine for pulling small boats, as is the xB. I know, I've done it and you hardly know it's back there.

 

Hmm.

Well, the big difference is that the dealer will install the CAI, springs, and larger wheels. I have done the first two.

And the manual says not to install a hitch. I figure they have a very good reason. You know, having designed the car and all.

Oh, that's right. It's a CAR, not a TRUCk, as some might think. Car. Not truck.

VW Bus, for pulling a small boat? Okay. Not a smart idea, but hey, it was your car. Just because the BUS back in the day was built on the same frame as the Beetle, and used the same brakes...ah, but what do you care?

You have the Cartman attitude, which is, 'Whatever, I do what I want'.

Carry on.

 

a picture of you towing something would be amazing...to say the least.

 

I wouldn't tow a ski boat or anything behind my xB. But a 500 pound catamaran? Why not. Obviously there is plenty enough stopping power with a full load of fat people in my car, I don't see how a small towed item would hurt much. To each their own though. If you don't feel safe doing it, then don't do it. Quoting the paperwork from Scion about how it says not to tow is getting really old. I'm sure they don't recommend racing your car or putting air bags on it either....

 

I agree, I don't see anything wrong with what he's doing or wanting to pull. Something small like he wants to pull is fine IMO. All that "Scion" paperwork is getting old and besides it's there so they don't get sued mostly! IMO

 

It's just a matter of using common sense. Don't load the trailer and the car both full. Just cuz something can be dangerous doesn't mean it is always dangerous...

 

Thankyou guys. I DO tow a small sailboat with my xB. It's not like I superglued a frame to my car to pull a gulfstream trailer. The Curt Hitch is well designed and made. Some people like to argue. Speaking of which, a VW bus has the same engine, not the same pan (VW for frame to the uninformed)

 

Wrong, oh, mis informed one.
The BUS was built on the same pan as the BEETLE. Same brakes. Same trans. Same motor, for a while, untill they put a pancake one in there.

Check it out, you want. Go ahead. Now, I know that at some point, the Bus got it's own frame (that may have been in the mid '70s...) But it was the same frame/pan for a long time.

Some people like to argue; I like a debate. .And some people have owned over 30 cars, with over 13 of those being VW's, and amongst those, at least two Buses.


Now, that someone is me.

 

Looking in my '05 owners manual, I noticed an interesting thing. Right before the recommendation against towing, it mentions Total Load Capacity: 375 kg ( 875lb.)
"Total load capacity means combined weight of occupants, cargo, and luggage. Tongue weight is include when trailer towing" So the have it both waysw. Sounds like they are trying to cover their ___. Remember few people in Japan have cars, and even fewer pull things with them. Cartman don't sail, Charley don't surf.

 

Do you remember the reduction gears on the pre-68 Busses? The Beetle never had any. I could argue VW's all day. I had 4 busses from '67 thru '72, and I built engines and transaxles for every one of them. But this is a Scion forum.

 

It's your Box, do what you want.

 

Just don't sue TOYOTA if/when you do damage to your Box. At least they warned ya.

 

Look TJ, let's stop this bickering. Al I am saying is The xB is a well behaved little car. I pull my Hobie cat (400lbs), and you can hardly tell its back there. My point is I have pulled the same kinds of loads with VW for yars. Stopping is not an issue with those light loads. You have pictures of your nb on the beach with a trailer near it. Do you sail? Tell you what, I'll be in Jupiter may 24th thru the 29th. I'd be happy to show you the Curt hitch .

 

Agreed.

I got mine here:
http://www.etrailer.com/products.asp...=8&image1.y=13

I don't pull an Airstream trailer or anything, but I do have a 4' by 8' fold-up utility trailer I got from Harbor Freight for $215. The box will pull alot of stuff with out a problem. Just use common sense.

I hauled a new fridge, and patio furniture with it. No, not at 65mph on the highway, but at about 35 all the way home. Nothing heavy like a car or anything, but the box is perfect for those easy haul jobs we all need from time to time. Just use common sense.

 

Why do you even care? Just let it go man, Dang!!! Let him do what he wants to do. I mean you could have stated your opinion and left it at that, end of story, but you just kept on and on. He's going to tow something with his xB cause he wants to, end of story! It's not like he's building a freaking bomb or something!

He never said he was going to sue anyone for anything. And btw this is a "Scion" forum not a VW bus forum.

 

And I have stopped. I said, do what you want. Just don't sue, I added, since that happens a lot in this country, especially after someone has been warned not to do something, they do it anyway, and then they sue. Really, that's all. No hidden agenda. Nothing up my sleeve. If you think you can tow, tow. You don't need anyone's permission at all, least of all mine.

Would I tow? No. Not at all. But, then again, I'm old and like to respect the manual., just a bit. It's there to save my Box, in many ways. If the manual did not want TRD springs, or an AEM CAI, or anything like that, I would take it's advice, since you would think/hope that those who wrote it knew what they were talking about.

I paid a lot of $$ to buy my BOX, (in cash), and then, to mod it out (also in cash). So I have made an investment in it, and just (mind you, this only pertains to me), I just would not want to screw it up. It would ____ me off if I did something that the manufacture of the car did not recommend, and then screwed up my ride. That's all.



Sorry. But that shot of my old nB? That was on the beach, and it just happened to have that trailer behind it; it was not in any way hooked up to my Bug. I'm not even sure the nB can handle a hitch.

I'll say it again, so everyone gets it. My friend IVAN, (you remember IVAN; he started this thread), he put a hitch on his Box. IF anyone can make it work, with out busting the Box, he can. I said that.
However, I have my doubts as to the possibility of realistically towing anything with a Box, since it's not really built for it, in the frames, in the brakes, the torque of the engine...It's a small CAR not a small TRUCK.

IF you want to tow, be my guest, and if you succeed, without long term damage to the Box, great. More power to you.

BUT, if you don't, all I ask, (again), is don't sue the company for your foolishness. We have enough nuisance lawsuits around this country.

 

Why do I care? Because it's people who constantly do what they want to, then screw up, and then refuse to accept blame, even if they were warned before hand, that bug me. It's like, 'oh look, fire burns your hand, so don't put it the flame', and everyone one just has to put it in the flame, since they can't believe it themselves.

In this case, TOYOTA wants to warn you that towing with the xB is a bad thing, but to some, at least, they want to anyway. It's as if they need to prove a point, or something. Maybe TOYOTA is afraid of a lawsuit; and with good reason, since so many people sue today for stupid reasons. Coffee is hot, so where do you put it while driving? Between your legs, of course. Oh, it spilled on you, burning you. So who is responsible, you cry out? Why, the fast food place that sold you the coffee! They should have told you! How dare they! So, you sue them, they change their ways, and the cost of things go up across the board. Why do things go up? Because the company need to make more money to protect themselves from future stupid frivolous lawsuits.

TOYOTA is trying to cut that off at the pass, so to speak, by issuing that warning. It covers their ___. And yet, they might really believe that it could hurt the car. They may have done stress tests to the car, to find out it's breaking point. They may have thought this out before they just said, ***** nilly, not to tow.

But for some, that is not enough, they have to try it out themselves. SO, that is why I asked said people not to sue, if/when it breaks their car.

He never said he was going to sue anyone for anything, sure, but others have said the same thing at first, then sued away later.

And, I know this is a SCION forum. However, plenty of other things(non SCION things), get talked aobut on this site, so why not 'lay off' on that, okay?