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Old Dec 19, 2004 | 12:01 PM
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I have a $8.00 air sensor chip 14-20 hp+, I addad a K&N air filter $40.00 7-12 hp+, ground wire kit $24.95 7 hp+, headers $89.99 15 hp+, performance spark plugs and racing wires $90.00 15 hp+ and front and back strut bars for better handleing $169.95. I increased in 64 hp under 500$ it makes a huge differance in my performance and I think its all worth it!!! all the small things you do to your car all add up. Next on my list is lowering springs and they also have a electronic turbo system for intake only. it runs $149.95 on ebay. it only adds about 25 hp+ max but it beats belt operated turbo systems that run thousands of dollars and give you about the same horsepower. Even though they states that belt opp. turbos give you 45-60 hp, they don't mention that once the belt is attached it takes alot of pulling to operate the turbo so you loose real engine horsepowers and gain a little after!

P.S. Make sure if you add amps, lights kits or anything electronicle please use grounding wires and/or a voltage capacitor to stablize your engine electricity output!!! it is a big deal!!!
Old Dec 19, 2004 | 12:20 PM
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did u get a tornado?
u might up your engine upgrades to another extra 100HP..
Old Dec 19, 2004 | 02:49 PM
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Or try the precisionmuffler.com cat-back system. This was my fourth mod in the first month of owning my xB. Nice sound too. The first three were window tint. Goldline 2" springs and 19" HP Racing rims.

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Thanks for the props Matchbox. :D We are only selling axle backs right now, but we are selling the magnaflow catbacks on our site.
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$8.00 air sensor chip 14-20 hp+,
K&N air filter $40.00 7-12 hp+
ground wire kit $24.95 7 hp+,
headers $89.99 15 hp+, :?:
performance spark plugs and racing wires $90.00 15 hp+
electronic turbo system for intake only. it runs $149.95 on ebay. ROTFL
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OK, I know extremely little about cars, but your numbers seem to be quoted from marketing materials and not reality.

Best mods for the xB would be a quality brace for the front, a coilover system, some 17 or 18 inch rims and sticky tires.
Old Dec 19, 2004 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by caliman
I have a $8.00 air sensor chip 14-20 hp+, I addad a K&N air filter $40.00 7-12 hp+, ground wire kit $24.95 7 hp+, headers $89.99 15 hp+, performance spark plugs and racing wires $90.00 15 hp+ and front and back strut bars for better handleing $169.95. I increased in 64 hp under 500$ it makes a huge differance in my performance and I think its all worth it!!! all the small things you do to your car all add up. Next on my list is lowering springs and they also have a electronic turbo system for intake only. it runs $149.95 on ebay. it only adds about 25 hp+ max but it beats belt operated turbo systems that run thousands of dollars and give you about the same horsepower. Even though they states that belt opp. turbos give you 45-60 hp, they don't mention that once the belt is attached it takes alot of pulling to operate the turbo so you loose real engine horsepowers and gain a little after!


Man, is this guy susceptible to advertising. How many Ronco products do you own?
Old Dec 19, 2004 | 08:21 PM
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$8.00 air sensor chip 14-20 hp+
K&N air filter $40.00 7-12 hp+
ground wire kit $24.95 7 hp+
headers $89.99 15 hp+
performance spark plugs and racing wires $90.00 15 hp+
electronic turbo system for intake only. it runs $149.95 on ebay.

OK, I know extremely little about cars, but your numbers seem to be quoted from marketing materials and not reality.
EXACTLY. No disrespect, this is all marketing ploys. If you really believe you are getting any of these gains please get this dyno'd and show us the results. Maybe if the wind is blowing in the right direction you'll get 4+ hp as well.
Old Dec 19, 2004 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by caliman
I have a $8.00 air sensor chip 14-20 hp+, I addad a K&N air filter $40.00 7-12 hp+, ground wire kit $24.95 7 hp+, headers $89.99 15 hp+, performance spark plugs and racing wires $90.00 15 hp+ and front and back strut bars for better handleing $169.95. I increased in 64 hp under 500$ it makes a huge differance in my performance and I think its all worth it!!! all the small things you do to your car all add up. Next on my list is lowering springs and they also have a electronic turbo system for intake only. it runs $149.95 on ebay. it only adds about 25 hp+ max but it beats belt operated turbo systems that run thousands of dollars and give you about the same horsepower. Even though they states that belt opp. turbos give you 45-60 hp, they don't mention that once the belt is attached it takes alot of pulling to operate the turbo so you loose real engine horsepowers and gain a little after!

P.S. Make sure if you add amps, lights kits or anything electronicle please use grounding wires and/or a voltage capacitor to stablize your engine electricity output!!! it is a big deal!!!


Are you SERIOUS??? At first, was thinking that was a sarcastic response... But now I am not so sure..... First, the xB doesnt have plug wires...Then, there is no such thing as a belt driven turbo. That would be a supercharger. There is NO way you are going to get 25hp from an electric s/c. Wow, that was pretty funny sh*t. Anyways, I did a 18"rim and tire setup, DC strut bar, Stillen axle back, DC header, K&N intake, TRD grounding kit, Hotchkis sways and Eibach springs. I am happy with my upgrades..
Old Dec 20, 2004 | 05:23 AM
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Then, there is no such thing as a belt driven turbo. That would be a supercharger.
actually, there is one - just not very common. The belt drive is clutched and is only active during the turbo lag phase of the turbo spool up. - basically - it's to eliminate the lack of power during turbo lag and to eliminate the parasitic drag of a belt driven supercharger (since the clutch deactivates the belt) ... is supposed to be a 'best of both worlds' deal...
Old Dec 20, 2004 | 08:46 AM
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If all thies things dont work then why the hell do people buy them? My bad on the turbo thing, it is a supercharger it only blows in air. But my point is that all thies items do make improvements on your vehicles performance. If your educated enought to take the time to read books and magazines on performance parts, Its simple physics that make improvements. Look at cable tv for example, if someone taps into your cable line illegaly, you loose signal strength. Well if you dont ground your cables correctly your spark plugs wont ignite to its fullest potential causing slight ignition delays which are in Microseconds but create poor performance. It also grounds your headlights and other electronic devices that drain the alternator from its minimal recommended output. My air intake chip bypasses the sensor sending a signal to the computer that my air temperature is lower than it really is cause more air/gas ratio intake equaling more horsepower. K&N air filter allows higher air intake while still cleaning the air properly. This is a numbers game. But if hot rodders didn't think that all this little "marketing" stuff didn't work then why are thies company's making millions of dollars. All professional racing companys use them and buy them why shouldn't I ?

My car does run better then when i first purchased it. I can tell because all the 5 speen manual scions I've raced can't see my car after all my add'ons. And I have an Automattic. How about that.



P.S. I have a 1970 Dodge Dart Swinger w/ a 318 Crate block Diemon quad carb with dual anti slip pozy tracktion. So I know my cars and I have most of the same mods on my Swinger and that makes a huge differance !!!

Peace !
Old Dec 20, 2004 | 08:47 AM
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If all thies things dont work then why the hell do people buy them? My bad on the turbo thing, it is a supercharger it only blows in air. But my point is that all thies items do make improvements on your vehicles performance. If your educated enought to take the time to read books and magazines on performance parts, Its simple physics that make improvements. Look at cable tv for example, if someone taps into your cable line illegaly, you loose signal strength. Well if you dont ground your cables correctly your spark plugs wont ignite to its fullest potential causing slight ignition delays which are in Microseconds but create poor performance. It also grounds your headlights and other electronic devices that drain the alternator from its minimal recommended output. My air intake chip bypasses the sensor sending a signal to the computer that my air temperature is lower than it really is cause more air/gas ratio intake equaling more horsepower. K&N air filter allows higher air intake while still cleaning the air properly. This is a numbers game. But if hot rodders didn't think that all this little "marketing" stuff didn't work then why are thies company's making millions of dollars. All professional racing companys use them and buy them why shouldn't I ?

My car does run better then when i first purchased it. I can tell because all the 5 speed manual scions I've raced can't see my car after all my add'ons. And I have an Automattic. How about that.



P.S. I have a 1970 Dodge Dart Swinger w/ a 318 Crate block Diemon quad carb with dual anti slip pozy tracktion. So I know my cars and I have most of the same mods on my Swinger and that makes a huge differance !!!

Peace !
Old Dec 20, 2004 | 01:33 PM
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A.) Because a large portion of the modding market don't know any better.
B.) There's a difference between marketing numbers and reality. A grounding kit may improve response, etc and POSSIBLY give you like +1HP. :? But the true "hot rodders" already know what works and what doesn't. A professional racing company has money to burn- if whatever exotic mod gets them +1HP or a quarter of a second faster times...........it was worth it.
C.) They can't see your car because of the tears streaming out of their eyes.
Old Dec 21, 2004 | 04:22 AM
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Ok, my bad. Let me know when your hair dryer makes your toaster super fast!


But since you have an old car you must know what your talking about..................yeah. But seriously, your numbers are way way way optimistic. There is no way some ground wires are gonna give you 7hp etc. etc. etc.
Old Dec 21, 2004 | 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Maicca
$8.00 air sensor chip 14-20 hp+,
K&N air filter $40.00 7-12 hp+
ground wire kit $24.95 7 hp+,
headers $89.99 15 hp+, :?:
performance spark plugs and racing wires $90.00 15 hp+
electronic turbo system for intake only. it runs $149.95 on ebay. ROTFL
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Ah... if performance gains were only this easy.... and real!
Old Dec 21, 2004 | 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by caliman
I increased in 64 hp under 500$ it makes a huge differance in my performance and I think its all worth it!!!
I will make you a deal, go get your car dyno'ed and if your mods add up to even 35 hp I will pay for all your mods and the cost of the dyno report and I am dead serious.

Also your hairdryer that does not run off the exhaust like a turbo, or off a belt like a supercharger, runs off of electrical current, which draws off your alternator, which IS connected to your MOTOR via a BELT

ROTFLSHIPOM

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Old Dec 21, 2004 | 06:49 AM
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I'll hold you up to that deal. 2005 VVTI scion have stock 108 Hp right? Well give me some time to find out where I can get a dyno and I'll proove to you guys that small modifications are worth it. I'm southern Ca. Repo man so I work nights, so it will be a while befor I can get one. But I'll hold you to your word !!!
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You go boy, if you can get 65 hp for 500 bucks EVERYBODY will be following you to the parts store, including me. Now don't go sneaking and dropping a 50 shot nitrous on your box...
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I say we all go get our cars dyno'd together so we can see what stock is running and what this modded car is running. I'll be willing to do that, and if there is even a 35 hp gain, I will pitch in and help pay for the mods as well.
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Don't want this to fall away.
We need some results.
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Originally Posted by caliman
I have a $8.00 air sensor chip 14-20 hp+, I addad a K&N air filter $40.00 7-12 hp+, ground wire kit $24.95 7 hp+, headers $89.99 15 hp+, performance spark plugs and racing wires $90.00 15 hp+ and front and back strut bars for better handleing $169.95. I increased in 64 hp under 500$ it makes a huge differance in my performance and I think its all worth it!!! all the small things you do to your car all add up. Next on my list is lowering springs and they also have a electronic turbo system for intake only. it runs $149.95 on ebay. it only adds about 25 hp+ max but it beats belt operated turbo systems that run thousands of dollars and give you about the same horsepower. Even though they states that belt opp. turbos give you 45-60 hp, they don't mention that once the belt is attached it takes alot of pulling to operate the turbo so you loose real engine horsepowers and gain a little after!

P.S. Make sure if you add amps, lights kits or anything electronicle please use grounding wires and/or a voltage capacitor to stablize your engine electricity output!!! it is a big deal!!!
LOL, you think you add up the hp gains that these companies quote with their parts? You might have gained 2 or 3 at most in the upper end. Don't be so naive.



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