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Joined: Jun 2007
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From: Baltimore, MD, USA
Replace your oem 320cc fuel injectors with higher flowing 440cc injectors. It will fool the ECU controlled trip computer into calculating 35mpg instead of the actual 25mpg. I just filled my tank tonight and it took 8.37 gals to go 210 miles. The trip computer reported an avg of 34 mpg vs actual mpg of 25. If I had a piggyback tuned for -5% fuel trim, it would have calculated 30mpg instead for an increase of 5mpg.
Instead of simply comparing miles traveled to gallons used, our trip computer is much more sophisticated. It calculates the fuel used based on fuel trims compared to MAF, based on the oem injector size. Adding larger injectors tricks it into reading less fuel required to travel any given distance because of the negative fuel trims. Adding a piggyback or in-line ECU with fuel trims more negative than the stock configuration will result in the trip computer showing better than actual fuel economy.
Let's face it, it isn't terribly difficult to add more power to a modern lean-burn OBDII engine but improving fuel economy is next to impossible. Especially when you've added a turbo or supercharger. Toyota/Scion engineers are not idiots, not by a long shot.
Instead of simply comparing miles traveled to gallons used, our trip computer is much more sophisticated. It calculates the fuel used based on fuel trims compared to MAF, based on the oem injector size. Adding larger injectors tricks it into reading less fuel required to travel any given distance because of the negative fuel trims. Adding a piggyback or in-line ECU with fuel trims more negative than the stock configuration will result in the trip computer showing better than actual fuel economy.
Let's face it, it isn't terribly difficult to add more power to a modern lean-burn OBDII engine but improving fuel economy is next to impossible. Especially when you've added a turbo or supercharger. Toyota/Scion engineers are not idiots, not by a long shot.
Last edited by ScionFred; Feb 5, 2011 at 06:31 AM.
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Joined: Jun 2007
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From: Baltimore, MD, USA
Dont get drunk alone LOL... call friends haha, profit
So what purpose does this mod accomplish exactly. Does it just mess with your ECU making the it think its getting better gas mileage then it really is?
So what purpose does this mod accomplish exactly. Does it just mess with your ECU making the it think its getting better gas mileage then it really is?
The injectors are probably by far the best measure the ECU has for gas consumption, given they're directly controlled by a computer. I expect the gas tank float serves more as a convenience to the driver than anything else.
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Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 3,387
From: Baltimore, MD, USA
That's a great question. So far it has proven to be a somewhat amusing reading comprehension test! 
I really posted this just to share the info about how fuel trims affect the trip computer. Any piggyback or in-line ECU that controls the injector pulse will certainly affect the mpg calculation. So when you read about some one claiming better mpg with a turbo, bigger injectors and engine management, now you'll know why they think they are.
As for the misleading title... I was really drunk at the time...
I really posted this just to share the info about how fuel trims affect the trip computer. Any piggyback or in-line ECU that controls the injector pulse will certainly affect the mpg calculation. So when you read about some one claiming better mpg with a turbo, bigger injectors and engine management, now you'll know why they think they are.
As for the misleading title... I was really drunk at the time...






! Can't say I'd mind it myself, my MPG just dropped from 29.5 to 28.0 hand calculated -- and there I was, hoping for 30+