Notices
Scion xD Drivetrain & Power Engine and transmission discussions...

GARAGE1217 HOMEWORK / XD INTAKE

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 10, 2008 | 07:37 AM
  #21  
Zefoxe's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,052
Default

Fujita is done with test fitting, they're in R&D atm supposedly. I think weapon R came out with one already and they had to redevelop and rerelease it because supposedly it reduced hp and worsened gas mileage. So i'm happy to wait for a better product
Old May 28, 2008 | 08:21 PM
  #22  
Garage1217's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member


SL Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 6,980
From: Phoenix, Az
Default

I did a lot more digging into the guts of the intake last night. It seems the maf sensor housing has purpose built in air flow restrictors & a precise air channel for the maf. In all honesty, Any attempt to replace this assembly will cause issues weather at lower or higher RPM. The only benifit I can see by adding an intake would be for cooler air from the fender. The maf housing is quite a complex item that IMO should not be tampered with and I mess around with everything *LOL*
Old May 29, 2008 | 01:11 AM
  #23  
pickledchang's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 957
Default

^^^good info, looks like my short ram is as far as im going, lol. wheres a new intake manifold when you need one?
Old May 29, 2008 | 01:14 AM
  #24  
Garage1217's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member


SL Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 6,980
From: Phoenix, Az
Default

Correct, good choice That is as far as I am going to go as well.
Old Jul 7, 2008 | 04:14 AM
  #25  
PHATBLK's Avatar
Banned
SL Member
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 174
Default I agree

I troll the web weekly looking for xD specific tech - it just isn't coming! TRD has a few goodies, but beyond that it looks pretty slim. There are some Yaris / xD components, but almost NOTHING for the engine.

Kind of depressing. Is there ANY interest in creating aftermarket parts for the xD?

Originally Posted by TheJonas53
I think its a load of crap that we have to make an inkake setup. Where are the kits from Injen, AEM, Fujita, ect?
Old Jul 7, 2008 | 05:34 AM
  #26  
Zefoxe's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,052
Default Re: I agree

Originally Posted by PHATBLK
I troll the web weekly looking for xD specific tech - it just isn't coming! TRD has a few goodies, but beyond that it looks pretty slim. There are some Yaris / xD components, but almost NOTHING for the engine.

Kind of depressing. Is there ANY interest in creating aftermarket parts for the xD?

Originally Posted by TheJonas53
I think its a load of crap that we have to make an inkake setup. Where are the kits from Injen, AEM, Fujita, ect?
I agree its depressing, the problem is:
1. A lot of xD owners tend to be really interested in rims and stereo equipment
2. The forum is disorganized
3. Theres about 3-4 different xD forums creating a big split among owners who would be interested in aftermarket engine parts.
4. Companies won't give a poop if theres no money in it for them.
Old Aug 15, 2008 | 05:05 AM
  #27  
usmc7236Ret's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 109
From: Mesa, AZ
Default Fujita Intake

My Fujita intake is currently on the truck inbound. Does anybody know, if the engine will need to be tuned after the intake install?
Old Aug 15, 2008 | 03:07 PM
  #28  
Garage1217's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member


SL Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 6,980
From: Phoenix, Az
Default

There is no way to "tune" your stock engine. Any intake should be plug and play, IF it is designed right.
Old Aug 15, 2008 | 03:27 PM
  #29  
usmc7236Ret's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 109
From: Mesa, AZ
Default

Originally Posted by Garage1217
There is no way to "tune" your stock engine. Any intake should be plug and play, IF it is designed right.
Thanks I wasn't sure. I will be sure to check in with pics and an update on how it works, once I have it installed.
Old Aug 15, 2008 | 05:14 PM
  #30  
PHATBLK's Avatar
Banned
SL Member
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 174
Default

Would be great if someone could dyno one of these intakes before and after. The small amount I have read reports that most (if not all) for the xD mess poorly with the power band and reduce fuel economy.

I'd consider one if there was proof that they improved performance, but the VVT engine seems very sensitive to changes in airflow - I am suspicious to doubtful at this point...




Originally Posted by usmc7236Ret
Originally Posted by Garage1217
There is no way to "tune" your stock engine. Any intake should be plug and play, IF it is designed right.
Thanks I wasn't sure. I will be sure to check in with pics and an update on how it works, once I have it installed.
Old Aug 15, 2008 | 05:28 PM
  #31  
Garage1217's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member


SL Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 6,980
From: Phoenix, Az
Default

Our maf is VERY precision designed and will have a hard time with any intake if the maf sensor is relocated into another housing. First time I have come across a setup like this.
Old Aug 15, 2008 | 05:29 PM
  #32  
usmc7236Ret's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 109
From: Mesa, AZ
Default

I will take my car into a dyno shop if there is one available in AZ at no cost to me.
Old Aug 15, 2008 | 05:34 PM
  #33  
Zefoxe's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,052
Default

Well Fujita is the only one with dyno numbers and they have a really good build quality. The others are garbage i.e. Weapon R. I don't even think they did R&D for it, just fitted it and sold it. Thats why it was recalled because people were getting negative performance in hp and gas mileage. Plus I don't have a good experience with them after installing one of their intakes on my friends Altima. We eventually had to go to a shop to have the replacement maf drilled because there was no holes in it needed to install it properly.

Simply put I would only go with Fujita or altering just the piping/filter that goes to the maf from the filter side.
Old Aug 15, 2008 | 05:39 PM
  #34  
Garage1217's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member


SL Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 6,980
From: Phoenix, Az
Default

Originally Posted by usmc7236Ret
I will take my car into a dyno shop if there is one available in AZ at no cost to me.
Not any free ones here, but you can dyno at Intense power or Azdynochip. Let us know how it turns out!
Old Aug 15, 2008 | 05:50 PM
  #35  
PHATBLK's Avatar
Banned
SL Member
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 174
Default

I'm looking at the dyno numbers supplied by Fujita and I noticed that the first run was done at about 81 degrees ambient and the second was done at about 71 degrees ambient.

Wondering how this would have affected the results.

Also not sure 2 ft/lb of torque is worth the mod. 5 HP is an increase of between 3 and 4% over stock. Not sure this would be noticeable to the average driver.

Not saying this isn't an improvement, it just seems pretty darn small.




Originally Posted by Zefoxe
Well Fujita is the only one with dyno numbers and they have a really good build quality. The others are garbage i.e. Weapon R. I don't even think they did R&D for it, just fitted it and sold it. Thats why it was recalled because people were getting negative performance in hp and gas mileage. Plus I don't have a good experience with them after installing one of their intakes on my friends Altima. We eventually had to go to a shop to have the replacement maf drilled because there was no holes in it needed to install it properly.

Simply put I would only go with Fujita or altering just the piping/filter that goes to the maf from the filter side.
Old Aug 15, 2008 | 06:43 PM
  #36  
usmc7236Ret's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 109
From: Mesa, AZ
Default

I do agree about the performance $/gain but we are talking about the XD. My primary goals for this was to increase the sound and show with a bolt on and I think it is a good looking unit.
Old Aug 15, 2008 | 06:56 PM
  #37  
Scoobasteve4132's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,341
From: Norfolk, VA
Default

Wow, definitely no love for the Xd... I was 1/2 tempted in getting one once the tc paid off, but now thinking otherwise...
Old Aug 15, 2008 | 09:08 PM
  #38  
Garage1217's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member


SL Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 6,980
From: Phoenix, Az
Default

Why not..? It is a stellar little car.
Old Aug 15, 2008 | 09:09 PM
  #39  
Garage1217's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member


SL Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 6,980
From: Phoenix, Az
Default

Originally Posted by usmc7236Ret
I do agree about the performance $/gain but we are talking about the XD. My primary goals for this was to increase the sound and show with a bolt on and I think it is a good looking unit.

#1 performance mod you can do to the car is free up the garden hose size exhaust. Up to the resonator, the exhaust is very nice sized, after the resonator it chokes down to lawn mower sized pipe.
Old Aug 15, 2008 | 10:50 PM
  #40  
Runawayrogue's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 505
From: Portland, OR
Default

^^ bingo, that's really the weak point of our I/H/E setup. Honestly the headers and exhaust are brilliant up until then. Our intakes are fairly well designed as well, and almost impossible to improve due to the complexity... On the bright side, though, that makes the total cost of modding the car that much less!

Really, though, the xD is not designed to be a fast car. It's designed to turn heads when it drives by.



All times are GMT. The time now is 12:25 AM.