^_^ at least someone here understands... just to be a *****, I think I'm going to paint my Z31's rear calipers...

 

and the @sshole award goes to ^^^

but anyways, I already said the xD was a great car. all depends on what I decide in terms of do I want a nice car to begin with or do I want to build a car to make it nice.

and of course the visual of the xD is important. what else does it have working for it? no one buys an xD to make a track beast. never once did I say I was going to paint anything. I just prefer real brakes in the rear.

 

The "look" of the real brakes, right?

 

Just my opinion, but I believe most folks who are complaining are doing so more because of looks than any performance difference. I mean, c'mon, the braking system w/ ABS on the xB1 and xD are more than capable of handling a panic stop. More of the braking is done on the front axle than the rear, and the fronts have discs. The rear drums will do just fine for what the car was designed for.

Disc brakes shed heat quicker and are desireable for multiple high speed stops where fade can be an issue. However, on the street in daily driving that is pretty much a non-issue.

I'm sure those who race xb1's are converting to rear discs but for normal street use, the type of use most all xb's and xd's get, the disc/drum setup is more than adequate.

One man's opinions, others may vary.

 

if you didn't say you wanted to paint the calipers, then that comment must not apply to you. :: accepts trophy ::

the xD has a ton going for it besides rear brakes. the feel might not be what 4 discs is like, but it isn't a bad feel. with all of the braking technologies implied on the xD, braking will not be an issue, with or without rear drums.

and tell me, on a car this fricking small, why aren't drum brakes 'real' brakes?? this goes back to performance, which the xD (and xA, with rear drums) performs exceptionally well. check this page out: http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/tec...7/article.html

good information, scroll to the bottom to hear a modern-day comparison. i like having discs all-round as well, but again, an xd is not a sports car, nor is it very heavy. drum brakes are perfectly acceptable here.

 

Axxis ULT's brake pads in the front for the xD and call it a day.

 

First off if ANY BODY paid attention to the racing potential of the scion XD then you would know why there are some people that want rear disc brakes. Even though the XA is lighter the XD still leads the pack in the sport compact division. Do your research man. Look at the comparison with the Fit. if im not mistaken even the fit has a rear disc conversion. The XD just has more potential to be a real track performer. SO JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT WANT TO MAKE YOUR CAR BETTER DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT ANY BODY ELSE

 

racing.. w/ an xd.. to each his own, i guess, but if im going to race, it will be with a sports car, not an econo-box.

 

What, you didn't hear about the "Sub-compact Grocery Getter 500"? ;)

 

lmao... dont get me wrong, my next car will be an xd.. but again, ill leave the racing to my 300zx.

i don't understand people nowadays... i see so many big ___ pickups with racing wheels and a drop kit. why? trucks are for towing/hauling, econoboxes are for basic driving needs, and sports cars are for racing. it should be left at that.

 

Don't pop a vein!!! Seriously ! You can make an argument for racing almost any car, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen. It's natural to be passionate about a car and wish it had some things that it doesn't come with, but one must be reasonable.

Consider this: All auto makers have to decide what their market will be for any particular car. Once that's done, they have to make that car desirable to the "majority" of that market, and must meet a certain price point. There are innumerable decisions and calculations which must be made before bringing a car to market. What shall be standard equipment, what shall be optional, and what shall not be available. In other words, what "combination" of equipment and features will be appealing to the larger number of possible purchasers. That's where the old saying "you can't please everyone" comes into play.

There are probably lots of features Scion could have deleted in order to make rear disc brakes a standard feature...power windows and locks, cruise control, nice stereo w/ iPod connector, side curtain air bags, ABS....any of those and several more. However, most folks crave creature and safety comforts and could care less about the rear brakes ( I would even venture to say most folks don't even know the difference, in this particular market).

Now, everyone here is just speaking their minds. The first gentleman made his point and several responded. Don't go and blow a fuse just because you don't like what you read.

Take it easy.

 

What i dont understand is why people think everyone can afford two cars or a "sports car" for that matter so we buy a less expensive car and modify it

 

I never assumed that, ___. I just happened to have a 2000 dollar sports car lying around. What I am saying is, you want a sports car, get one, don't try to make an econobox a sports car! drop it, sway bars all around, whatever, but realize that the xD, xA, xB, and xB2 are NOT sports cars by ANY means and NEVER WILL BE.

They can be fun, sure, but if you are so poor that you can only afford an xD, how can you _____ about not having rear calipers to paint and modify. Save that mod money and get a tC, or some used older car.

Again, I repeat, make your econobox as FUN as you want it, but realize that it IS AN ECONOBOX. This means it doesn't need rear discs!! No matter how riced out you make it, an xD will never require rear disc brakes. If you take this out as your track car, you better have a huge pool of mod money, or else you are a complete idiot. An ECONOBOX does not have the frame or suspension to handle track racing.

Did i mention that the xD is an ECONOBOX? just making sure everyone understands this. xD = great city/highway car, plenty of "fun mods." xD (does NOT) = sports car, or anything in need of disc brakes in the rear. Weight distribution is the main factor, and if you try to look up the xDs, you get a bunch of blanks. Probably because it is somewhere around 70/30. NOT FOR RACING.

 

Just saw this on a custom ****** today

Sorry about the low quality cell phone pic. Drum is painted orange to match custom orange paint on the car and the 20" chrome wheel has little matching orange accents in it too.

I don't like any of it.

 

dude, that's rust.

 

OFFROADINFRONTIER WHY dont you try telling the japanese that and see what happens i swear they would argue you down. Sports cars in fact are not the only cars to race. Have you not played GRAN TURISMO? What im saying is that there are MORE THAN ONE CALSS OF RACING.

 

are you comparing real-world driving to a video game? NFS-Carbon has an R34 that gets whooped by a camaro. You think that's real?

Sure, you can race any "calss" cars you want.. but you have to realize that, no matter what you do to an econobox, until you redesign the suspension, engine, and everything in-between, you are still racing an econobox.

That said, I can't wait to get my xD.

 

I love racing 1.5L civic hatch in Forza2. Feels a lot like the xD - and the cool thing I don't have to pay for track time, risk wrecking (cheap as it may be) $15K car and I can do it with a beer in my hand

 

Forza rules >:-)

But no matter how "real" it may be, I'll keep it in the game.

 

I autocrossed the crap out of my tC, took it to the Dragon couple of times (including one near miss with an oak-tree), took it out on Road Atlanta. Real racing is an expensive and dangerous hobby. I'm not rich enough for it and I haven't had a car loan in years. Ever since I'd rather keep it on XBOX - safe and cheap.