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http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1669/69/

 

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Good for them, not sure what their technique is, but my experience was that they were not interested in selling them.

My mercedes 240d was getting harder and harder to start and replacing the glow plugs, relay, battery, using a supplement inthe fuel.

Then I would start the car and letting it run during lunch and middle of the night, I decded after 27 years and 470 thousand miles it was done and wanted to take advantage of my employee incentive to buy a hybrid at teh toy dealer I passed twice a day.

I called and they forwarded my call to two different people after placing me on hold. Icalled during a breakto see if they had one with package 2 in white and how long it would take to drive off since I worked two jobs. I called during a break. I had to leave a message and the person would get back to me.I played phone tag for 2 weeks and decided to drive down there. Turns out they were closed on this Sunday, but had Sunday hours sometimes. I had called the sales person a few times the day before and got no call back.

I looked the lot over and stumbled upon my xa I currently own. It was left unlocked and I tried the front/back seats, looked under the hood and the hatch area. I took another look around the lot, spending 3 hours in total and decided this was it, I locked it up and headed home to search edmunds.

Turns out edmunds had a lot nice to say about the car, so did the forum and many talked about hitting and exceeding the epa fuel economy.

I called my sales person and told them I wanted the xa. The sales person called me back with 5 minutes and we sat up an appointment meeting an hour early before the dealer opened.

GoFigure? Maybe the mark up is more on the scion vs prius or the fact it was discontined and she sold it, it would mean more to her sales goal? I was just ____ed she told me after I signed with the finance guy that it was discontinued and she handed me some scion literature.

Earlier this year after numerous calls from the replacement sales person about my interest in a prius offered to give me 8 in trade for my xa and let me have a green prius with package 1 for 31,800 I walked.

 

Hybrids may save fuel but destroy the environment through the production of nickel hydride needed (30 pounds per hybrid) for the batteries. Here's an except from the article. Worth reading the whole article to show you how hybrids are just another way of marketing to self described socially conscious environmentalists.

"In the spring of 2007, it was widely reported that nickel for the nickel-metal-hydride batteries in the Prius is mined and smelted near Sudbury, Ontario. Sudbury happens to be known as one of industry’s great environmental disasters. For decades, sulfur dioxide released in the smelting process killed all but the most acid-tolerant vegetation in the surrounding countryside, to the point where the barren, moonlike landscape was used as a training site for Apollo-program astronauts. Prius bashers seized the news as an indication of the car’s true color."

http://scionnews.net/2008/04/23/gree...2007-scion-xb/

 

Ouch. Man, what are we going to do? Almost all hybrid electric and electric cars are going to need a way to store power.

Batteries are the best means right now, maybe soon capacitors if they get big enough,but manufaturing is going tocost the environment something.

Maybe more research needs to be done for more mechanical means of storing power like http://www.designnews.com/article/CA6549294.html

 

Don't tell that to a Prius crowd....they likely shoot you or run you over. they are very defensive when it comes to their cars. I was originally born in Jamaica, where they mine for bauxite.....I see what surface mining can do to the environment. So the whole thing about mining for nickel near Sudbury doesn't sit well with me. But to be honest, it's part of living in a modern world.

There’s more to green than mpg, you do have to look at the total picture. It like Paul McCartney Lexus LS600H hybrid, instead of arriving by boat as expected, the car was flown to Britain on a Korean Air flight, creating a carbon footprint almost 100 times bigger than if it had come by sea. Wow, that's being really Green.

I may be wrong......but I think the xB is made from mostly recycled material...the Japanese are into that stuff, being that metal is rare for them.

 

Thats an example of an old nickel facotry which has since been replaced. also, MOST of the nickel from that factory was not used in hybrid cars, it was used for lots of chrome pieces which come on all sorts of bumpers, wheels, trim pieces etc. the study you're quoting was widely regarded as bogus.

 

very interesting......it may not that bad of a car after all. even though it still sounds like it's not that green of a car it once was thought to be.

I would like to get a hybrid Camry....but they are pricey.

 

sooooo, what you are saying is that Toyota (of which you own 3 of their vehicles) is responsable for letting the Canadian government destroy the earth 100 years ago???

why not finsh the qoute....

"Blaming the Prius for Sudbury’s eco-disaster is like blaming the Exxon Valdez incident on a brewery. Damage in the region resulted from a century of nickel mining and smelting, and it had largely been reversed before the first Prius was built. Picking on the Prius also assumes that other automobiles don’t contain nickel, and they all do. If Sudbury has relevance to the greenness of the Prius, it rests largely on highlighting cradle-to-grave impact."

why all the hate and drama over a good mpg car...

 

it was already established that the article was bogus.......so your point is what?

I think what the author of the article was trying to say (and failed), is that, despite that the Prius manages to achieve great gas mileage, is not as GREEN as many are lead to believe. And it's true. My old VW NB TDi could get close to 50 MPG, running biodiesel. There are many other cars that can achieve just as high mileage. Though most are what I consider under power, and may have poor safety ratings due to their small size and low weight.

but that's life......to achieve something great, sacrifices must be made.

 

my point was that selective quoting was done to put shame on a product...that is made from the same company of which Yellowsub owns three.

and there are better mpg'ers out there (my metro gets 56 mpg...the VW lupo diesel gets 75-ish), but this is about one product...the prius.