I have bee searching for a good performance spring that also has a good drop to cover up some space above the wheel and lower the center of gravity.

All of the severe lowering springs that I have seen, have been said to have been softer.

I was looking for a 1.5 to 2 inch drop

Secondly I was looking for some light 15 inch wheels, I remember readings somewhere that the kosei K1 TS's were good and the orange color is just a bonus.

ARe they good, Any recommendations?

 

i was looking for the same kinda springs you describe when i picked up a set of tein s.techs, but i think there are a couple choices along side the tein's for performance:

- hotchkis - built for performance, good quality; but not car specific (for BOTH xA&xB) which bothers me.

- eibach - good reputation/performance but like the hotchkis sags in the back...

- mm/kg - van is selling from japan - they have 2 kinds of springs including super stiff "race" setup; but the 2.1 drop is a little low for me (same as 5zigen??)

- tein s.tech - i know personally these are stiffer and handle better then stock and the 1.5r 1.7f drop i like better then the full 2+ drops or the 'higher front' look of the hotchkis/eibachs.

seems like the mm/kg race springs are the best (or going to be - not sure if anyone has them yet) for pure performance. i'm personally interested to see how the h&r springs perform, but they won't even be out for a couple months.

hope that helps, i'm sure someone will chim in with some others that i left out.

 

Some have said the TRD springs drop 1.5" and that the struts/shocks are stiffer, this may give you the performance you want otherwise everyone has been recommending coilovers. I guess it depends on what you want to do and what your idea of performance would be. Plus how much $$ you want to spend.

 

i have the spy 2 in springs and couldnt be haoppier, now im just saving up for some coilovers

brent

 

I've heard that the JDM Springs were good but the drop listed by the store was not as high (or low in this case) as I wanted.

Price is second in choosing a good suspension, your going to have to spend money, but if 1000$ will only get you an extra .01 on the skidpad it probably isn't worth it.

What would be good coilovers?

 

if yu can't be happier, then why would yu save up for coilovers? heheh. jk. im just being an ___.

go with eibach. their reputation says a lot. a drop too low can mess up yer shocks hella quick. a good rule of thumb is that a car is be dropped with springs up to 1.5 inches on OEM shocks. there are exceptions.

 

I have the Gold lines 2" drop I think it went a little more but it looks and drives great.I also have 18" x8" rims w/ 215/35's and don't rub.Also A friend of mine put on the Tien coil overs and said they road harder than hell and took them off and sold them and went to the Gold lines also.

 

Hmm, I took off my Spy and put on TEIN coilovers. They ride alot smoother and have no bounce now that I have shock travel. I guess that means Goldlines ride better than TEINs? I was also told that the Cusco coilovers ride hasrsher than the TEINs.

Goldlines ride better w/o replacing the factory shocks!?! You're cutting down on shock travel, and that's what causes the bounce.

 

Unless your friend has a set of prototype Tein RA/HE for his xB there is no chance in hell that they "ROAD harder than hell".

Tein manufactures all the coilovers for the xB with comfort in mind.

Dude...first, don't spread false rumours--and secondly, don't be hatin.

 

if you are actually after performance, tires are 90% of it.

put some 205 or 215 kumho MXs or falken azenis on. They are the top two stickiest street tires out there.

 

the 205 number is the width of the tire, Correct?

I also want a flat ride, not roll all over the place
there for I was planning on getting

Hotchkis sway bar
Hotchkis Strut brace
JDM Springs
JDM Shocks and struts

15" Konei K1 TS w/ Kumho MX or toyo T1-s

How are the MX's in the elements, I know the T1-S' loose their grip in the cold.

 

all tires do better when it is warm than cold.

however, the Falken Azenis are probably better cold weather performers than Kumho MXs. If its very hot, the Kumhos are probably better. But both of them work better in warm weather than cold, any tire does.

strut brace - won't prevent body roll. it MIGHT help to maintain camber, but the strut towers on the scion are so close to the firewall that I don't think it will be useful.

stiffer swaybars - will make a profound reduction in body roll, but swaybars have the downside of increasing weight transfer which is bad. However, the scion rolls so much, that the net result is almost certainly more grip.

stiffer springs and shocks - best bet for performance, but they have the downside of a harsher ride. You would need REALLY stiff springs to reduce body roll as much as some typical swaybars.

my reccomendation - if all out performance is the goal, get some adjustable shocks and some lower, stiffer springs. If you just want less body roll so the car feels better, then get swaybars. They are cheap and easy to install and will make a very noticeable difference in the way the car feels. Add some mild lowering springs for the look and lower center of gravity if you want.

 

Falken Azenis are a great street/roadrace tire--but if you live where it rains frequently--do yourself a favor and avoid them...T1-S would be a much better choice in the rain.

 

really?....I use the Azenis as my wet race tires and they work just fine the large grooves expell the water easily from the contact patch.
Also, the cost/performance can't be beat.

 

I don't know if it will be that much of an issue on narrow scion tires.

if the hydroplaning resistance of the azenis worry you, go kumho MX.

no other street tire was competitive at solo2 nationals this year other than the kumhos and the falkens.


for what its worth, I ran falken azenis in 225 width in a 3000 pound car for a couple years in houston with few rain issues. just slow down if there are puddles =)

 

I was planning on getting all of those things, Except that I wan't wanting to get the coilovers, All that I have heard is that they are all built for comfort or show. I have heard good things about Koni's in other cars (Specifically Miata's) but I couldn't find and of them for the xB.

I guess I will just have to wait if I want those shocks.

 

HOw do you like the Koni's in your xA?
Is the ride comfortable, or is the handling better? Both?

What size are they?
From where how much?

Do you wnat me to ask any more questions?
Can you explain a little how coil-overs work in relation to springs?

I think I am going to get (when I get my scion) the 10.6 lbs 15" Konei K1 TS's with either 205/55-15, 205/50-15, or 215/50-15's with the ESCTA 712, or the MX's or the Bridgestone Pole Postitions or the T1-S's

The reason i exclude the Falkens is because they are heavy, and it rains alot here (every afternoon in the summer), and by the scheem of my tires I think that the scion could benefit from the really light wheels and sticky tires.

Thanks for all your help.
Any reccomendations?

 

Peoply just call things 'coilovers' when they sell a shock with a spring around it as a unit. it works the same way the shock and spring on your car currently do. Usually aftermarket coilovers have a spring perch that is adjustable, letting you choose what ride height you want and allowing corner weighting of the car should you chose to do so.

of the tires you listed, the Kumho MX will be the stickiest, and its cheaper than many of the others too.