With the Rear being as it is in terms of suspension....is there a location for a lower tie bar to be applied to it?

Yes I checked the SEARCH area and it didn't bring up any helpful info.

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Not sure if any would work on our cars. Its a live (well sorta live) axel rather then a true independant suspension found on cars like the civic or integra. A sway bar should work well.

 

Very true....I had a lower tie bar laying around my garage for my eclipse and I finally put it on after about 5 months of sitting around and i am freakin surprised on how much oversteer it took out of it....I am sold on them along with the upgraded sway bar of course

 

there is no use for a lower rear bar on an xB due to the single swingarm suspension. you could potentially use an upper bar that connects up where the rear upper seat belt bolts are to stuffen the chassis, though. steve (bbist) was working on such a design that will be functional as well as stylish. it's a nice piece that is unique for our vehicle, which is cool.

another thing that has been discussed is putting a bar across the 2 shocks in the rear, although this will do nothing to improve handling.

 

The purpose of a rear lower tie bar is to tie the 2 independent suspension arms together reducing flex during cornering. Since we do not have independent suspension in the rear, it really won't do anything at all.

And Eric is right, a bar that attaches the 2 shocks together will absolutely do zip.

-Steve

 

The Scions do not have a "single swing arm suspension", we have a "torsion beam" suspension, no swing arms at all.

I have spent considerable time looking at the rear suspension on my xA. There is no place to mount a lower tie bar for the suspension that would do anything to increase the stiffness of the suspension, BUT-the rear subframes could be tied together at the torsion beam pivots and then fwd towards the front to stiffen the chassis and reduce flex. This mod would require welding on some mounts for the braces. The shock towers should be braced for the same reason. You won't notice any improvement unless you are used to pushing the limits of what you already have.

I have already fabricated a front subframe brace for my xA and gained some chassis stiffness. I will do the rear brace when I get a chance.

What our suspensions really need is urethane pivots for the torsion beam, that's currently the weak spot and needs some product development.

ken

 

energy suspension should jump in and make availble a kit.

 

http://www.hopupracing.com/hofrandrehos.html

 

Interesting that this topic came up but I was wondering if the rear lower tie bar would be the same as a rear lower frame brace... If so, C-one makes one and I think JIC Magic as well as Cusco make a lower frame brace. If they are the same than why would such well known japanese aftermarket manufacturers fabricate them for our car? Just a question.

 

The C-one is a rear brace but the JIC bars are for the front subframe to engine cradle. I would like to see how the rear brace ties in and where it attaches, anyone seen a pic of a C-one rear brace installed??

I have a jig for the front subframe brace, at the prices they ask I should make a bunch and sell them..... anyone interested in a front subframe brace made from real 4130 chromemoly steel??

ken

 

I just poked around the C-One site and stumbled accross a pic of their rear brace installed. Not a bad design and may help the squirelyness you get from the rear when cornering at the limit. $500 plus shipping is still a bunch of bucks when I can fab my own for a hell of a lot less....

ken