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Old Oct 10, 2006 | 01:34 PM
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The Japanese company, now the second-biggest automaker in the world, will come out with a car in Brazil in Spring 2007 that can run on 100 percent ethanol, as well as on a blend of gas and ethanol, Yusei Higaki, a project manager in the global external affairs division, told CNET News.com during a tour of the company's facilities here.

The pricing and the name of the car have not been revealed yet, he added. Brazil is a natural spot to launch the car. Brazilians produce ethanol there from sugar cane, and a number of gas stations sell it.

Toyota has also kicked off trials with gas-to-liquid (GTL) fuel cars in Europe. In GTL, natural gas is converted to a relatively clean form of fuel for diesel cars. The process is similar to the one for converting coal to diesel fuel, but cars running on GTL emit far fewer particulates. Humans, in fact, can drink GTL fuel: You might get sick, but you won't die, one Shell executive said last year. GTL is expensive, but could become popular in megacities where the air pollution from diesel has become a major health hazard.

... Toyota's energy efforts can be broken down into four areas: alternative liquid fuel cars running things like ethanol; clean diesel cars, which include diesel hybrids; hybrids; and electric cars.

...Another crossover is the plug-in hybrid. These cars, which can get 100 miles per gallon, are similar to regular hybrids. The difference is that in plug-ins, the electrical engines do more work and the gas engine does less work. On the freeway, the gas motor on plug-ins drives the car, so the benefits mostly come in city driving.

Right now, major manufacturers don't make these plug-ins cars because of the cost of the battery and the lengthy charge times. Battery and auto manufacturers, however, are trying to change that with improved nickel and lithium batteries.

"We are seriously studying the plug-in, especially for short distance drivers," Higaki said. "It doesn't work for long distance drivers."

Toyota has its eye on another type of electric car, too: the hydrogen fuel cell vehicle. At its technology showcase here, the company displayed the Fine-X, a hydrogen prototype car that tops out at 200 kilometers per hour (91 mph). Researchers at the University of California at Davis have also built a hydrogen car out of a Toyota SUV.

...And in the very experimental area, Toyota is tinkering with robots and personal transporters. The I-Unit, a four-wheeled vehicle displayed at the technology center, can go 50 kilometers per hour.
Old Oct 12, 2006 | 08:09 AM
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okay well Brazil already is mostly all ethanol and they have many flex fuel vehicles there.. Nothing new there..
Toyota would HAVE to branch out into ethanol and flex fuel vehicles if they wanted to stay competitive in Brazil.

That article didn't say anything about having the flex fuel vehicles here to the us.. I think it's funny, that Ford and GM have flex fuel vehicles here already, and Toyota doesn't? hmmm odd..
Old Oct 12, 2006 | 08:46 AM
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Weeelll... seeing as how there is a tariff on Brazilian ethanol due to the corn farmers of america wanting to monopolize the ethanol business, there won't be much progress in flex-fuel cars untill we get a new president that isn't a bed fellow with oil companies.

Another thing from what I've heard from my uncle is that the corn farmers are also paying off Hawaiian sugarcane farmers to stop producing sugarcane, to increase their [corn farmers] hold on the ethanol market.

Ethanol could be a great alternative, but the farmers here in the US will need to stop being greedy and the next president needs to be one that will embrace fuel alternatives.

Also Ford and GM = American car companies, therefore, you'd also be supporting the corn farmers here in amercia (who are the only people supplying the elements to process ethanol).
And btw, you can produce far more ethanol from sugarcane, than corn.
Old Oct 12, 2006 | 10:38 PM
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of course, Brazil is a great example of an indepent country, AFAIK. Don't they produce many of their products in their own country? For Toyota to get into such a market, of course they'd have to do as such.

It's good to see some countries still have national pride with their own products
Old Oct 19, 2006 | 07:24 PM
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I'm still not sold on the idea of E85 or E100 fuel. If our goal is to be more economical, then why would we invest in a type of fuel that gives off poor mileage and performance. I understand how we should as a nation try to limit our dependancy on foriegn oil, but I surely do not think that ethanol is the answer. On top of the performance comparisons with traditional gasoline, it's also more expensive, and it's primarely home grown! That said, I still am fully confident that American's won't be willing to give up thier petrol until they absolutely positively have to, we (myself included) love the stuff way too much!
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