Van,

I just wanted to start a thread to help maybe motivate OTG in the production of the rear camber kits you have in design but not yet manufactured.

Previous thread: http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=30403&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

So anyone else out there that wants a 3 or 5-degree rear camber kit now is the time to post.

if the price is right and are they front and rear or just rear?

if the price is right and are they front and rear or just rear?

I am sure the price will be fair, Van is a great guy and will only charge what is right.

The kits I am asking for are rear only, if you want front camber plates Cusco and I think even Buddy Club has front ones but I am not positive.

I think Steve from www.bBist.com is running a set of the front camber plates not sure if they are Buddy Club?

Anyone else interested in the rear camber shims come on and post up?

if the price is right and are they front and rear or just rear?

I am sure the price will be fair, Van is a great guy and will only charge what is right.

The kits I am asking for are rear only, if you want front camber plates Cusco and I think even Buddy Club has front ones but I am not positive.

I think Steve from www.bBist.com is running a set of the front camber plates not sure if they are Buddy Club?

Anyone else interested in the rear camber shims come on and post up?

Toy xbox, count me in!!!!!

Thanks,

velocitybb


Calling out to all VIP bB tuners post up...

Dave, I'll take a set of rear camber spacers.

I did a follow up e-mail with Van to see if he is interested yet or if we need additional people to get these done.

One other question is, does everyone want 3 degree shims?

I did a follow up e-mail with Van to see if he is interested yet or if we need additional people to get these done.

One other question is, does everyone want 3 degree shims?

Dave,

I was thinking along the lines of 2 degrees front and rear, but 3 in the rear sounds good too.

I'm assuming your talking about NEGATIVE camber right?

-2 Camber in the rear is a lot.
-2 1/2 will seriously wear out your inner tread.
-3 is tire suicide for the street. Your outer tread may still have it's peach fuzz and you'll still be worn to the cord on the inside.

If your doing it for performance, forgetabout it. About the limit you want to run in the rear is -1 1/2 to -2. -2 would be aggressive and only recommend if your autox it often. Even still, you'll wear out your inner tread prematurly unless you drive very aggressively on the turns frequently and on a daily basis.. (I'm talking from experience here)

Remember, the more negative camber you run, the more straight line acceleration and braking ability you LOSE.

I am interested in the 3*,but can he space them and camber them?maybe offer both?I want them asap!

I'm assuming your talking about NEGATIVE camber right?

-2 Camber in the rear is a lot.
-2 1/2 will seriously wear out your inner tread.
-3 is tire suicide for the street. Your outer tread may still have it's peach fuzz and you'll still be worn to the cord on the inside.

If your doing it for performance, forgetabout it. About the limit you want to run in the rear is -1 1/2 to -2. -2 would be aggressive and only recommend if your autox it often. Even still, you'll wear out your inner tread prematurly unless you drive very aggressively on the turns frequently and on a daily basis.. (I'm talking from experience here)

Remember, the more negative camber you run, the more straight line acceleration and braking ability you LOSE.


Hey you might be right about the tire wear but not everyone cares about that, if you do then you shouldn't get them, I'm not sure how I'm loseing straight line acceleration on front wheel drive car, but who cares about that, its not like we have F50 and we need tractions !!!
Here a pic with 5 degree camber, you should be able to tell which one is front wheel !!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Sean
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v363/boxybox/camberwear.jpg

ok a lil off topic but who makes the cheapest regular spacers ?

lets go for it.. 3 degrees

ok a lil off topic but who makes the cheapest regular spacers ?

Onetongarage.com, don't know if cheapest but mostly recommended around the boards for best quality. :D BTW, Did you ever try out the LED thing I PM'd you?

yeah kind of am gonna try it again soon i couldnt get one of em undone so gotta try it again prolly will stay up til like 1 am today and do it

I'm assuming your talking about NEGATIVE camber right?

-2 Camber in the rear is a lot.
-2 1/2 will seriously wear out your inner tread.
-3 is tire suicide for the street. Your outer tread may still have it's peach fuzz and you'll still be worn to the cord on the inside.

If your doing it for performance, forgetabout it. About the limit you want to run in the rear is -1 1/2 to -2. -2 would be aggressive and only recommend if your autox it often. Even still, you'll wear out your inner tread prematurly unless you drive very aggressively on the turns frequently and on a daily basis.. (I'm talking from experience here)

Remember, the more negative camber you run, the more straight line acceleration and braking ability you LOSE.


Hey you might be right about the tire wear but not everyone cares about that, if you do then you shouldn't get them, I'm not sure how I'm loseing straight line acceleration on front wheel drive car, but who cares about that, its not like we have F50 and we need tractions !!!
Here a pic with 5 degree camber, you should be able to tell which one is front wheel !!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Sean
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v363/boxybox/camberwear.jpg

Wow, actually, that looks extremely good for -5 degrees of Camber on the front.

How much toe and caster did you have? Was that with 30psi for the life of the tire? I've seen about that much wear on the fronts of some sports cars with only -2 1/2 camber, and much worse than that on the rear with -2 1/2 camber. Let me guess, you drive it very hard on the ramps and turns. ; )

The amount of wear will also depend on the toe and caster. Rears of cars don't have caster, so only the toe can make a difference there.

The reason why the rear's typically wear worse with the same amount of camber is because when you make turns, your front suspension goes into compression and your front tires begin to roll, causing a more "even" wear. The rear doesn't go into compression when turning, therefore don't roll as much. Also, at least on front wheel drive cars, it's more front weight biased, therefore your more likely to roll the front tires in turns, and less likely to roll the rear tires. The rears will just scrub the same location in turns.

Btw,
- The more toe you have, any direction, will make it worse.
- The more caster you have, it will make it worse, but will not make as much of a wear difference as toe. Although, it will increase the amount of inner wear if you go more toe out(?). Can't remember if it's more toe out or in. It basically increases or decrease the amount of wear from every movement of toe. I've found on our car's, it feels like we have very very little caster stock.

Also, if you run cheaper tires like all-season radials, their side walls are less stiff, allowing for more flexability on the tread surface area and are less sensitive to camber change. Actually, this alone might be the reason why I see much worse results with less camber on the sports cars of my friends.

To give you an example,
Take an all season tire brand name tire or really cheap tire. These sidewalls are very soft and are for comfort. If you corner hard on these, your going to ride on the sidewalls of them right?

Let's take the extreme case. An R rated Hoosier or Kumho tire. These sidewalls are rock hard. I don't care how hard you drive those, or how much camber you put in those, you will NOT ride the sidewalls of them. ( I know because I've tried!) These things are almost perfectly square and deform very very little. They will slip before you ride the sidewalls. Just a 1/2 deg of camber make a big difference of wear pattern on these.

I know that not everybody is into tire performance, and that's fine and nothing wrong with it. Just want to pass along some background on the science of this.

Cheers,

Thanks for more info but in my case, the good tire is my front. I'm running 5 degree in rear and my front is stock !! Sean

the funny thing is.... soooooo many people hated on my thread that i originally started.

great to see there are people that like to rock the vip style too.

the funny thing is.... soooooo many people hated on my thread that i originally started.

great to see there are people that like to rock the vip style too.

Yeah that is why I started a new thread to try and get help instead of having to filter through all the BS...

I have e-mailed several other tuner shops and I will be going through the "BIG BOOK" JDM 2003 catalog I have maybe I can get at least a shop name out of it.

Not sure if Van has enough interest and/or time? Hope so :wink:

the funny thing is.... soooooo many people hated on my thread that i originally started.

great to see there are people that like to rock the vip style too.

Yeah that is why I started a new thread to try and get help instead of having to filter through all the BS...

I have e-mailed several other tuner shops and I will be going through the "BIG BOOK" JDM 2003 catalog I have maybe I can get at least a shop name out of it.

Not sure if Van has enough interest and/or time? Hope so :wink:

I talked to van.... he said he is actually in the process of redesigning the ones he used on the white xb on the front page of onetongarage.com. he doesnt know when they will be ready.

hopefully soooooon

Thanks for more info but in my case, the good tire is my front. I'm running 5 degree in rear and my front is stock !! Sean

do u have n-e pix of your car with the 5 degree?

I found a couple of companies that at one time carried 3-5mm camber shim kits.

These are the web sites does anyone speak Japanese and/or has a contact in Japan to see if these kits are still around?

http://www.anceltion.co.jp/ # 0721-20-001

http://www.garson.co.jp/ # 0729-52-0567

These are companies I found but no website:

Dipark # 0725-40-0088

Voce # 0797-80-1095

Rushwork # 06-6920-1022

Tire House Cactus # 0729-37-2100

From the book it looks like Garson had the best looking add and Anceltion second…

So if anyone has a contact see if they can help us locate these camber shims.

Thanx,

ok a lil off topic but who makes the cheapest regular spacers ?

Onetongarage.com, don't know if cheapest but mostly recommended around the boards for best quality. :D BTW, Did you ever try out the LED thing I PM'd you?

OTG has some good reasons why the "cheapest" are cheap:

Worth the reading, also some vids:

http://onetongarage.com/products/wheel_spacer/index.html

Does anyone know how much these camber kits will cost? I am in real need because my tires will not clear the rear fender.

BUMP... count me in.

if i had money i would get em..i like the look..

btw what is is VIP BB..im guessing Very important person bb..but in case im wrong can someone tell me?

I'm assuming your talking about NEGATIVE camber right?

-2 Camber in the rear is a lot.
-2 1/2 will seriously wear out your inner tread.
-3 is tire suicide for the street. Your outer tread may still have it's peach fuzz and you'll still be worn to the cord on the inside.

If your doing it for performance, forgetabout it. About the limit you want to run in the rear is -1 1/2 to -2. -2 would be aggressive and only recommend if your autox it often. Even still, you'll wear out your inner tread prematurly unless you drive very aggressively on the turns frequently and on a daily basis.. (I'm talking from experience here)

Remember, the more negative camber you run, the more straight line acceleration and braking ability you LOSE.

If you know what is VIP Tuning is, then to answer your question about doing this for performance would be answered. If you dont', VIPper (Thats what I call it) do it for show. They like that mean stance of the ride.

if i had money i would get em..i like the look..

btw what is is VIP BB..im guessing Very important person bb..but in case im wrong can someone tell me?

It doesn't mean Very Important Person BB. lol. I am not sure where the Japanese came up with VIP tuning or what the acronym stands for. But it is a popular tuning in Japan.

the funny thing is.... soooooo many people hated on my thread that i originally started.

great to see there are people that like to rock the vip style too.

VIP Tuning 4 Life!!!!!! I was doing the VIP Tuning for large sedans, i. e. Toyota Crowns, Majesta, Gloria, Cedric, and the list goes on. Came from Japan 9 months ago and glad to see more VIP Tuners.

I found a couple of companies that at one time carried 3-5mm camber shim kits.

These are the web sites does anyone speak Japanese and/or has a contact in Japan to see if these kits are still around?

http://www.anceltion.co.jp/ # 0721-20-001

http://www.garson.co.jp/ # 0729-52-0567

These are companies I found but no website:

Dipark # 0725-40-0088

Voce # 0797-80-1095

Rushwork # 06-6920-1022

Tire House Cactus # 0729-37-2100

From the book it looks like Garson had the best looking add and Anceltion second…

So if anyone has a contact see if they can help us locate these camber shims.

Thanx,

I could ask my wife if she could have her peeps back there to call them to see if they still have the kits and how much they cost?

I could ask my wife if she could have her peeps back there to call them to see if they still have the kits and how much they cost?

Cool :D :D :D

Thanks

Ahem, Dave, its time for POPCORN CHICKEN and STEAK SKEWERS!

Ahem, Dave, its time for POPCORN CHICKEN and STEAK SKEWERS!

MMM mmm MMM :wink: don't forget the boba tea :D

yumm.. popcorn chicken sounds good right now.. extra spicy

yumm.. popcorn chicken sounds good right now.. extra spicy

actually there was almost an office fire. somebody put some popcorn in the microwave and the microwave busted in smoke and it got fried. dam smell is making me choke. there are burnt marks on the wall

Wow this thread kinda blew up quickly! It is nice to see more people getting to the point where they could really use the camber shims now... Some thoughts:

- By virtue of its design, as the rear suspension on a scion travels/compresses, you will get more negative camber and toe in relative to when the car is sitting still. So even if you have a stock Scion, and all you did was lower it, you will get a bit more neg camber and toe in than a 100% stock, non-lowered Scion. Sooo, what this means that on a really low scion, with plain camber shims in the rear, tire wear is a definite concern because: 1) you already have a bit more toe in than stock since the car is low, and 2) by cambering the suspension more than stock, the toe in is exaggerated during suspension travel. What this all leads to is that adding plain camber shims to the rear end of a scion (lowered or not, but you guys all know that slamming is one of the first mods you all perform anyway!) will lead to premature tire wear.

- After using M@'s car (anyone remember that crazy guy? >HAHA<) as a test bed for plain shims to determine the exact amount of wear, I decided to design shims that would allow for some negative camber, while accomodating for the toe in situation... of course the whole project was put on hold because, up till recently, M@'s scion was the only one that really needed camber in the rear. I didn't want to make something that just anyone could buy and toss on their cars w/o knowing what they wre getting in to. For example, if you were running some typical high-offset wheels in the rear, adding negative camber could cause some inteference problems as the inner edge of the wheels/tires might rub the inner fenderwell, or even the rear shock. Also, the trick to getting a wheel setup to look nice is to get it as close to the fender lip as possible, and adding neg camber to a wheel that's already sunken in will just exacerbate the whole sunken look.

- Anyway, seeing that interest is now definitely a lot greater than before, I've brought the camber shim project back out and am hoping to at least have several working prototypes by the end of the year. Another thing that is motivating me to create these is the fact that a friend in Japan confirmed that there are currently NO camber kits available that correct for toe in also... so I'm looking at making something that can probably be sent to japan and sold over there too. :) So for those of you who are looking at picking up something even from japan... just keep that in mind and know what you're getting into. I'm not dissuading you from going for it, but just make sure that you monitor your tire pressures and tread wear at least 2-3 times a month (or more if you drive a lot) and rotate the tires more often to accomodate for the accelrated wear.

Hmmm... I think that's all I can think of at the moment on this subj... I hope it's been sort of informative.

Thanks for the info Van, and its good to see you back man !! Take care Sean

Sorry to take this off topic, but,

ScionVan,
What did you put the SR20 in?

A buddy of mine reciently put on into a Silvia project car. I know a few friends that have also put them into 510s too. A very good engine! And since your from the Bay Area too, I'd bet money you know the people I'm talking about too as they don't do half way jobs, but car show quality jobs that are reliable enough and driven on the race track too.

leed: i've put sr20s into a number of 240s for a while now, but i try to keep low key and only work on friend's cars or friends of friends. for myself, i had put an sr20 into my datsun roadster a few years back, but then tore the car down for a frame off resto, and it's basically just been sitting in pieces for the last 4 or 5 years. the avatar i use on here has its relevance in this pic i took last year (that i can't seem to find right now) of me hauling an s15 motor in the back of an xB. it fit perfect!

btw, judging by the fact that you have a z32, i would assume the 510 guys you refer to are rob and dan?

EDIT: Uh oh... and i just had a thought.. the friend with the sr20 in his "silvia" is glenn??

leed: i've put sr20s into a number of 240s for a while now, but i try to keep low key and only work on friend's cars or friends of friends. for myself, i had put an sr20 into my datsun roadster a few years back, but then tore the car down for a frame off resto, and it's basically just been sitting in pieces for the last 4 or 5 years. the avatar i use on here has its relevance in this pic i took last year (that i can't seem to find right now) of me hauling an s15 motor in the back of an xB. it fit perfect!

btw, judging by the fact that you have a z32, i would assume the 510 guys you refer to are rob and dan?

EDIT: Uh oh... and i just had a thought.. the friend with the sr20 in his "silvia" is glenn??

it's "Zilvia", not Silvia. ; )

Yep, we do know the same people. I don't know Dan, but I've know Rob and Glenn for many many years. Actually, Rob should be joining us for our Club Z Track Day at Thunderhill Raceway in about 2-3 weeks with his girlfriend. Trying to get Glenn to come along with his Silvia but he may be traveling. Maybe you should come along too. I'll be brining my xA RS 1.0. Will try and get it on the track for a few laps, but don't plan on driving the whole day on the track.

I could ask my wife if she could have her peeps back there to call them to see if they still have the kits and how much they cost?

Cool :D :D :D

Thanks

I checked out the garson site with the help of my wife. They are selling the negative camber plates for the xB for 19,000 yen. It mentioned something about 3 degrees/5 degrees. I haven't checked the other site yet, but will get back with you on that within a couple of days or so. I haven't made some calls yet to check for availablity, but if these are the exact camber kits your looking for, let me know, and I'll see what I can do from my end.

I checked out the garson site with the help of my wife. They are selling the negative camber plates for the xB for 19,000 yen. It mentioned something about 3 degrees/5 degrees. I haven't checked the other site yet, but will get back with you on that within a couple of days or so. I haven't made some calls yet to check for availablity, but if these are the exact camber kits your looking for, let me know, and I'll see what I can do from my end.


Wow this thread kinda blew up quickly! It is nice to see more people getting to the point where they could really use the camber shims now... seeing that interest is now definitely a lot greater than before, I've brought the camber shim project back out and am hoping to at least have several working prototypes by the end of the year.

Thanks VelocitybB and ScionVan for all the info and hopefully we can get some kits out there to the people who need them...

I personally have time to wait on Vans kit since my wheels will be coming in from Japan in January, so Van if you can put me down for one of the Prototypes (please).

VelocitybB if you can get the other info for people who need shims now and for back up resource.

its been a month since last reply to this post. any new news? im definitly down to buy these as well.

Van told me that it would be around January... I was going to wait until after the holidays to start hitting him up again.

But maybe he needs some extra x-mas money and might release them early?

Is it January yet!?!

Is it January yet!?!

Whishful thinkin bro... :D If it was I might be rockin those Work Seeker cX I ordered in October, ohh the pain of waiting for "Parts from Japan" :cry: :cry: :cry:

Van I hope ur checkin this thread come January we all will be knockin on ur door J/K :lol: :lol: :lol:

ive hit van up too cuz i think they will necessary to fit my 18x9.5s ive got coming in jan, of course ill have to be flip flopping the tires every month since i drive about 3000 miles a month and the fronts will be 18x8.5 so the tires will be different, im gonna strech the ____ outta those _____es too 205 in the front 215 in the rear yeee hah, they wont last more than 10 or 15k but itll look sick at least

brent

Is it January yet!?!

Whishful thinkin bro... :D If it was I might be rockin those Work Seeker cX I ordered in October, ohh the pain of waiting for "Parts from Japan" :cry: :cry: :cry:

Van I hope ur checkin this thread come January we all will be knockin on ur door J/K :lol: :lol: :lol:

NICE! I can't wait for January now!

ive hit van up too cuz i think they will necessary to fit my 18x9.5s ive got coming in jan, of course ill have to be flip flopping the tires every month since i drive about 3000 miles a month and the fronts will be 18x8.5 so the tires will be different, im gonna strech the ____ outta those _____es too 205 in the front 215 in the rear yeee hah, they wont last more than 10 or 15k but itll look sick at least

Oh cit! I wanna see, I wanna see! Can't wait to see those wheels Brent when you get them!

Hello Hello So it's almost x-mas Van ru listenin? So got any updates or anything? Are you on track to realease anything in January?

VIPtuners want to know?http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0QwACAxcUU6kQtUegDDCKz!15!1NTmZ461ql7uabW2TqFs7mM4Obm8RQ9EpYBMP63F9O96rjsg2D372jpHvNK7UTww8B1ScgbD!MQB0n0cQw/agree.gif

Hello Hello So it's almost x-mas Van ru listenin? So got any updates or anything? Are you on track to realease anything in January?

VIPtuners want to know?http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0QwACAxcUU6kQtUegDDCKz!15!1NTmZ461ql7uabW2TqFs7mM4Obm8RQ9EpYBMP63F9O96rjsg2D372jpHvNK7UTww8B1ScgbD!MQB0n0cQw/agree.gif

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Keeping this thread here on the top, VIP4LIFe :)
Hopefully we will here something from Van soon

Sean (MyBox) can get the DiPark 3 and 5 degree rear camber plates. PM him.

Hi guys.. gonna fit the prototypes on to matt's car probably some time within the next week or so and double check to make sure the alignment is going to be all good. The OTG ones are gonna correct for toe... which is sort of a big issue when you have negative camber AND are lowered more than 1.5" or so. With the Scion's rear suspension, the toe is affected by the camber; as the suspension compresses, the negative camber turns into toe-in. So with a car that's lowered (suspension already compressed), adding more negative camber just exaggerates the amount of toe-in you have, which is what eventually leads to massive tire wear. It might not be a big issue for some folks... it's really relative. Some might not have any problems with rotating and changing out the rear tires more often, while some folks might prefer not having to deal with that as much. I wanted to make the camber shims account for, and correct, that toe-in.. something that the JDM camber shims don't do... so that it leads to less hassle for people later on. The original prototype camber shims I made for matt's car (from last year) are similar to the JDM ones in that they only add negative camber, but since his car is lowered, the rear toe is sort of an issue, and tire wear in the rear, although acceptable (for us, at least), could be better. Anyway, once we've fine tuned the specs on matt's car, production will begin and they will officially be avl... prob in the US *and* Japan, too :)

thanks for the update van.. im eager to see the finished product..

Woot Woot :D :D :D Thanks Van I am still waiting on my wheels, I can test them on a HKS Hipermax WG coilovers for ya :wink:

Need a an R&D'er equipped w/ TEIN coilovers?

i got some flta-2s coming in like 3 weeks, so i can let you know on that

brent

Bumpty Bump Bump - any new newz?

I got 2 degrees up front now.

the front does me no good brad......i gotta fit 9.5 inches in the rear

brent

brad? got pics? i wanna see yer 2 deg.

the front does me no good brad......i gotta fit 9.5 inches in the rear

:shock: :wink:

Good for people who really need cambered shims for fitment issues...I would read Vans initial post in this thread about higher offset wheels + these camber shims.

Any pictures of your 9.5s--that is insane!

very interested. i would need 3-5 degrees of camber for the front too tho (autoX tires like camber)

very interested. i would need 3-5 degrees of camber for the front too tho (autoX tires like camber)

You might want to talk to somebody before putting that much camber for performance. You can do what you want, but even 3 degrees of camber on the front is borderline too much, if not already too much for autoxing. Plus, this modification isn't adjustable, so your set in a position after you install it. Optimal front camber for cars that race is usually around 2-3 negative depending on the tire, car, and track surface.

I can get you guys the Rear plates and Front upper mounts, hit me up if you guys want any, Take care All Sean

I got 2 degrees up front now.

Nice Man, glad everything worked out for you, Take care Sean

I got 2 degrees up front now.

Nice Man, glad everything worked out for you, Take care Sean

THANKS SEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well, bumpity bump for the VIP look

Yeah, gotta love that 2 degrees in front and 3 degrees of camber in the rear.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v444/bbist/Squirrels%20New%20Shoes/SquirrelNewNut4.jpg

Tucking 8.5s in the rear.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v444/bbist/Squirrels%20New%20Shoes/SquirrelNewNut2.jpg

GIMME!!!!!!!!!!!!
that is so F-in SICK!!

seriously, i want(need) these for my Box

help

GIMME!!!!!!!!!!!!
that is so F-in SICK!!

seriously, i want(need) these for my Box

help

Doug,

PM SEan (MyBox) and tell him you want the same set-up as me. Sean came thru for me and was able t get what I had been looking for for over a year.

very interested. i would need 3-5 degrees of camber for the front too tho (autoX tires like camber)

You might want to talk to somebody before putting that much camber for performance. You can do what you want, but even 3 degrees of camber on the front is borderline too much, if not already too much for autoxing. Plus, this modification isn't adjustable, so your set in a position after you install it. Optimal front camber for cars that race is usually around 2-3 negative depending on the tire, car, and track surface.

you are correct.. i've researched more since that post, however i've learned that people running 3degrees on sticky autoX tires have had very good results. i would install/remove the plates just for autoX.. i do about an hour of installs/removals for autoX anyway :) wht's another 20mins?

I can get you guys the Rear plates and Front upper mounts, hit me up if you guys want any, Take care All Sean

$$??

Yeah, gotta love that 2 degrees in front and 3 degrees of camber in the rear.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v444/bbist/Squirrels%20New%20Shoes/SquirrelNewNut4.jpg

Tucking 8.5s in the rear.

Well after these last few road trips and the extra weight of the finally finished sub enclosure, I think I am going to have to run negative camber on the rear and might do a little on front as well...

Brad what pillow mounts are ya runnin and how $$$ PM me some info please

I was really wanting to stick to HKS but haven't found any pillow mounts for my xB. If anyone has a part # for HKS let me know... I know Cusco and Tein has them but thinkin the Cusco's might be better anyone got the 411 on the pillow mounts for the xB?

Thanks in advance,

Dave,

You'll have PM in a minute.

Dave, check your SE PM box. I wasn't able to send you one here for some odd reason.

I am just jumping on this thread ... are these camber kits out yet ... I want to do -3 in the back of mine ... where can I get the kits if they are out ...

I am just jumping on this thread ... are these camber kits out yet ... I want to do -3 in the back of mine ... where can I get the kits if they are out ...

Mike, I got my 3 degree rear camber plates from Sean (MyBox).

Thanks for the 411 ... Im gonna send him a PM right now!

8j +11... -4.5°
http://www.hammertam.com/camber2/DSC04318.JPG

rumors have it the kits will be out soon!
i think u just gotta hang in there..
the OTG camber shims will be a GREAT benefit
in comparison to the JDM ones..
it will correct toe to be near or at factory specs..
that way u better tire life(in comparison with NO toe correction).

when the OTG camber shims hit the market..
it'll be worth the wait. it should hit soon!
u should preorder or be put on the waiting list..
email:
van@onetongarage.com

Why the heck didnt Toyota make the rear camber adjustable right off the bat?

Why the heck didnt Toyota make the rear camber adjustable right off the bat?

Cheaper to not put it in.

any updates on these from OTG...
i want to get some for the rear .....

hahajoey..ur xb looks sic..i want. me likey

Why the heck didnt Toyota make the rear camber adjustable right off the bat?

If there was anything that they REALLY should have made adjustable, that's the FRONT! Absolute sacrolidge to not make the front adjustable... ; )

the front is adjustable with an $18 kit from SPC Performance
it can do 2 degrees i think(negative camber)
it is a cam bolt

part #81260

http://www.spcperformance.com/PerfPartSect/PerfPart_EZCam.html

the front is adjustable with an $18 kit from SPC Performance


yes, and rear can be too with aftermarket, but that wasn't the point... ; ) Point of the complaining was that it should have been from Toyota.. ; )

Thanks though, that's an additional way to adjust the front among other ways that I know.

glad i could be somewhat helpful

you gotta do the combo to run insane camber ~5+ front

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v696/boboso/nottomybB.jpg

i need some for my rear ....
i need to bring out the wheel a bit more ..
any advice... and i want a lil negative camber aswell...

yeah, read the rest of the post

then hit up MyBox

but Van should have the rear spacer/camber/toe plates
sometime,
No Rush Van, i know suspension and this type of product is gonna take a lot of T&E

bump :lalala:

bump :D