Rear camber kits, OTG Can you help?
Originally Posted by MyBoX
Thanks for more info but in my case, the good tire is my front. I'm running 5 degree in rear and my front is stock !! Sean
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I found a couple of companies that at one time carried 3-5mm camber shim kits.
These are the web sites does anyone speak Japanese and/or has a contact in Japan to see if these kits are still around?
http://www.anceltion.co.jp/ # 0721-20-001
http://www.garson.co.jp/ # 0729-52-0567
These are companies I found but no website:
Dipark # 0725-40-0088
Voce # 0797-80-1095
Rushwork # 06-6920-1022
Tire House Cactus # 0729-37-2100
From the book it looks like Garson had the best looking add and Anceltion second…
So if anyone has a contact see if they can help us locate these camber shims.
Thanx,
These are the web sites does anyone speak Japanese and/or has a contact in Japan to see if these kits are still around?
http://www.anceltion.co.jp/ # 0721-20-001
http://www.garson.co.jp/ # 0729-52-0567
These are companies I found but no website:
Dipark # 0725-40-0088
Voce # 0797-80-1095
Rushwork # 06-6920-1022
Tire House Cactus # 0729-37-2100
From the book it looks like Garson had the best looking add and Anceltion second…
So if anyone has a contact see if they can help us locate these camber shims.
Thanx,
Originally Posted by wgeee7478
Originally Posted by hotbox05
ok a lil off topic but who makes the cheapest regular spacers ?
Worth the reading, also some vids:
http://onetongarage.com/products/whe...cer/index.html
Originally Posted by LeeD
I'm assuming your talking about NEGATIVE camber right?
-2 Camber in the rear is a lot.
-2 1/2 will seriously wear out your inner tread.
-3 is tire suicide for the street. Your outer tread may still have it's peach fuzz and you'll still be worn to the cord on the inside.
If your doing it for performance, forgetabout it. About the limit you want to run in the rear is -1 1/2 to -2. -2 would be aggressive and only recommend if your autox it often. Even still, you'll wear out your inner tread prematurly unless you drive very aggressively on the turns frequently and on a daily basis.. (I'm talking from experience here)
Remember, the more negative camber you run, the more straight line acceleration and braking ability you LOSE.
-2 Camber in the rear is a lot.
-2 1/2 will seriously wear out your inner tread.
-3 is tire suicide for the street. Your outer tread may still have it's peach fuzz and you'll still be worn to the cord on the inside.
If your doing it for performance, forgetabout it. About the limit you want to run in the rear is -1 1/2 to -2. -2 would be aggressive and only recommend if your autox it often. Even still, you'll wear out your inner tread prematurly unless you drive very aggressively on the turns frequently and on a daily basis.. (I'm talking from experience here)
Remember, the more negative camber you run, the more straight line acceleration and braking ability you LOSE.
Originally Posted by Fujiz_xb
if i had money i would get em..i like the look..
btw what is is VIP BB..im guessing Very important person bb..but in case im wrong can someone tell me?
btw what is is VIP BB..im guessing Very important person bb..but in case im wrong can someone tell me?
Originally Posted by MIKE DEGUZMAN
the funny thing is.... soooooo many people hated on my thread that i originally started.
great to see there are people that like to rock the vip style too.
great to see there are people that like to rock the vip style too.
Originally Posted by Toy xbox
I found a couple of companies that at one time carried 3-5mm camber shim kits.
These are the web sites does anyone speak Japanese and/or has a contact in Japan to see if these kits are still around?
http://www.anceltion.co.jp/ # 0721-20-001
http://www.garson.co.jp/ # 0729-52-0567
These are companies I found but no website:
Dipark # 0725-40-0088
Voce # 0797-80-1095
Rushwork # 06-6920-1022
Tire House Cactus # 0729-37-2100
From the book it looks like Garson had the best looking add and Anceltion second…
So if anyone has a contact see if they can help us locate these camber shims.
Thanx,
These are the web sites does anyone speak Japanese and/or has a contact in Japan to see if these kits are still around?
http://www.anceltion.co.jp/ # 0721-20-001
http://www.garson.co.jp/ # 0729-52-0567
These are companies I found but no website:
Dipark # 0725-40-0088
Voce # 0797-80-1095
Rushwork # 06-6920-1022
Tire House Cactus # 0729-37-2100
From the book it looks like Garson had the best looking add and Anceltion second…
So if anyone has a contact see if they can help us locate these camber shims.
Thanx,
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Originally Posted by velocitybb
I could ask my wife if she could have her peeps back there to call them to see if they still have the kits and how much they cost?
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Originally Posted by chillenn310
yumm.. popcorn chicken sounds good right now.. extra spicy
Wow this thread kinda blew up quickly! It is nice to see more people getting to the point where they could really use the camber shims now... Some thoughts:
- By virtue of its design, as the rear suspension on a scion travels/compresses, you will get more negative camber and toe in relative to when the car is sitting still. So even if you have a stock Scion, and all you did was lower it, you will get a bit more neg camber and toe in than a 100% stock, non-lowered Scion. Sooo, what this means that on a really low scion, with plain camber shims in the rear, tire wear is a definite concern because: 1) you already have a bit more toe in than stock since the car is low, and 2) by cambering the suspension more than stock, the toe in is exaggerated during suspension travel. What this all leads to is that adding plain camber shims to the rear end of a scion (lowered or not, but you guys all know that slamming is one of the first mods you all perform anyway!) will lead to premature tire wear.
- After using M@'s car (anyone remember that crazy guy? >HAHA<) as a test bed for plain shims to determine the exact amount of wear, I decided to design shims that would allow for some negative camber, while accomodating for the toe in situation... of course the whole project was put on hold because, up till recently, M@'s scion was the only one that really needed camber in the rear. I didn't want to make something that just anyone could buy and toss on their cars w/o knowing what they wre getting in to. For example, if you were running some typical high-offset wheels in the rear, adding negative camber could cause some inteference problems as the inner edge of the wheels/tires might rub the inner fenderwell, or even the rear shock. Also, the trick to getting a wheel setup to look nice is to get it as close to the fender lip as possible, and adding neg camber to a wheel that's already sunken in will just exacerbate the whole sunken look.
- Anyway, seeing that interest is now definitely a lot greater than before, I've brought the camber shim project back out and am hoping to at least have several working prototypes by the end of the year. Another thing that is motivating me to create these is the fact that a friend in Japan confirmed that there are currently NO camber kits available that correct for toe in also... so I'm looking at making something that can probably be sent to japan and sold over there too. :) So for those of you who are looking at picking up something even from japan... just keep that in mind and know what you're getting into. I'm not dissuading you from going for it, but just make sure that you monitor your tire pressures and tread wear at least 2-3 times a month (or more if you drive a lot) and rotate the tires more often to accomodate for the accelrated wear.
Hmmm... I think that's all I can think of at the moment on this subj... I hope it's been sort of informative.
- By virtue of its design, as the rear suspension on a scion travels/compresses, you will get more negative camber and toe in relative to when the car is sitting still. So even if you have a stock Scion, and all you did was lower it, you will get a bit more neg camber and toe in than a 100% stock, non-lowered Scion. Sooo, what this means that on a really low scion, with plain camber shims in the rear, tire wear is a definite concern because: 1) you already have a bit more toe in than stock since the car is low, and 2) by cambering the suspension more than stock, the toe in is exaggerated during suspension travel. What this all leads to is that adding plain camber shims to the rear end of a scion (lowered or not, but you guys all know that slamming is one of the first mods you all perform anyway!) will lead to premature tire wear.
- After using M@'s car (anyone remember that crazy guy? >HAHA<) as a test bed for plain shims to determine the exact amount of wear, I decided to design shims that would allow for some negative camber, while accomodating for the toe in situation... of course the whole project was put on hold because, up till recently, M@'s scion was the only one that really needed camber in the rear. I didn't want to make something that just anyone could buy and toss on their cars w/o knowing what they wre getting in to. For example, if you were running some typical high-offset wheels in the rear, adding negative camber could cause some inteference problems as the inner edge of the wheels/tires might rub the inner fenderwell, or even the rear shock. Also, the trick to getting a wheel setup to look nice is to get it as close to the fender lip as possible, and adding neg camber to a wheel that's already sunken in will just exacerbate the whole sunken look.
- Anyway, seeing that interest is now definitely a lot greater than before, I've brought the camber shim project back out and am hoping to at least have several working prototypes by the end of the year. Another thing that is motivating me to create these is the fact that a friend in Japan confirmed that there are currently NO camber kits available that correct for toe in also... so I'm looking at making something that can probably be sent to japan and sold over there too. :) So for those of you who are looking at picking up something even from japan... just keep that in mind and know what you're getting into. I'm not dissuading you from going for it, but just make sure that you monitor your tire pressures and tread wear at least 2-3 times a month (or more if you drive a lot) and rotate the tires more often to accomodate for the accelrated wear.
Hmmm... I think that's all I can think of at the moment on this subj... I hope it's been sort of informative.
Sorry to take this off topic, but,
ScionVan,
What did you put the SR20 in?
A buddy of mine reciently put on into a Silvia project car. I know a few friends that have also put them into 510s too. A very good engine! And since your from the Bay Area too, I'd bet money you know the people I'm talking about too as they don't do half way jobs, but car show quality jobs that are reliable enough and driven on the race track too.
ScionVan,
What did you put the SR20 in?
A buddy of mine reciently put on into a Silvia project car. I know a few friends that have also put them into 510s too. A very good engine! And since your from the Bay Area too, I'd bet money you know the people I'm talking about too as they don't do half way jobs, but car show quality jobs that are reliable enough and driven on the race track too.
leed: i've put sr20s into a number of 240s for a while now, but i try to keep low key and only work on friend's cars or friends of friends. for myself, i had put an sr20 into my datsun roadster a few years back, but then tore the car down for a frame off resto, and it's basically just been sitting in pieces for the last 4 or 5 years. the avatar i use on here has its relevance in this pic i took last year (that i can't seem to find right now) of me hauling an s15 motor in the back of an xB. it fit perfect!
btw, judging by the fact that you have a z32, i would assume the 510 guys you refer to are rob and dan?
EDIT: Uh oh... and i just had a thought.. the friend with the sr20 in his "silvia" is glenn??
btw, judging by the fact that you have a z32, i would assume the 510 guys you refer to are rob and dan?
EDIT: Uh oh... and i just had a thought.. the friend with the sr20 in his "silvia" is glenn??
Originally Posted by ScionVan
leed: i've put sr20s into a number of 240s for a while now, but i try to keep low key and only work on friend's cars or friends of friends. for myself, i had put an sr20 into my datsun roadster a few years back, but then tore the car down for a frame off resto, and it's basically just been sitting in pieces for the last 4 or 5 years. the avatar i use on here has its relevance in this pic i took last year (that i can't seem to find right now) of me hauling an s15 motor in the back of an xB. it fit perfect!
btw, judging by the fact that you have a z32, i would assume the 510 guys you refer to are rob and dan?
EDIT: Uh oh... and i just had a thought.. the friend with the sr20 in his "silvia" is glenn??
btw, judging by the fact that you have a z32, i would assume the 510 guys you refer to are rob and dan?
EDIT: Uh oh... and i just had a thought.. the friend with the sr20 in his "silvia" is glenn??
Yep, we do know the same people. I don't know Dan, but I've know Rob and Glenn for many many years. Actually, Rob should be joining us for our Club Z Track Day at Thunderhill Raceway in about 2-3 weeks with his girlfriend. Trying to get Glenn to come along with his Silvia but he may be traveling. Maybe you should come along too. I'll be brining my xA RS 1.0. Will try and get it on the track for a few laps, but don't plan on driving the whole day on the track.



