I come from the world of VW's ans Scoobies so I am naturally interested in what swaps might be possible for the XB. I don't know enough about toyota/scion to know if they use common engine mounting points and bellhousing configurations. If so, what are the toyota engines that would bolt up in the XB chassis? I'm thinking that the 1.8 from the celica or even the 2.4 from the Camry/tc would be a great swap. On a totally different end of the spectrum a turbodiesel motor would be awesome in the B as torque would be great and the package would make a lot of sense.

There is plenty of discussion about this over on the Power Hungry forum.

I come from the world of VW's ans Scoobies so I am naturally interested in what swaps might be possible for the XB. I don't know enough about toyota/scion to know if they use common engine mounting points and bellhousing configurations. If so, what are the toyota engines that would bolt up in the XB chassis? I'm thinking that the 1.8 from the celica or even the 2.4 from the Camry/tc would be a great swap. On a totally different end of the spectrum a turbodiesel motor would be awesome in the B as torque would be great and the package would make a lot of sense.

The xB is based on the Echo/Yaris platform, outside of the 1NZ-FE we get in the U.S. you have a choice of 1.0 liter 68hp gas, 1.5 liter 150hp gas/turbo and a 1.4 liter 75hp T'diesel.

Only problem is none of those are U.S. EPA certified as far as I know so it would be illegal to swap one in.

Federal emissions laws dictate that you can put any EPA certified OBD II engine you want in there....as long as it is able to meet the emissions requirements for the orginal car.

I've given the engine swap thing a great deal of though myself. I can think of a few Toyota engines that might be a good choice but the problem is I don't know where to find the details. In other words, what engines will bolt to the existing tranny outside of the ones I listed (if any), what engines will fit in the first place and so on. We need some schematic diagrams of the potential engines to match up with a detailed cutaway of the xB.

Possible engine donors I've thought of:

Supercharged Toyota Previa (2.4 liter - 161hp / 201 lbft)
* was squeezed under the floor beneath the front seats so it must be fairly compact

RAV4 (2.4 liter - 161hp / 165lbft)
* FWD/AWD drivetrain and small engine bay might mean it could be a good fit

thanks for the response, I think turbodeisel would be an awesome swapo for the Xb even the 1.4 could actually make the car accellerate better due to it's superior low end torque, the emissions things would have to be bypassed somehow.

Thes are unchaterd waters, I may have to see if I can find out some info by crawling through toyota tech litarature or, possibly crawling through junkyards. There should be some wrecked echos out there which would make good engineering dummies. The 1.5 liter turbo gas motor would also make a great swap if you could find one and somehow get it inspected.

I would hesitate to put much forced induction into the stock 1.5 as it's 10.5/1 compression ratio scares me when it comes to detonation under boost.
In addition turbosharging the car would require upping the octane requirement and definitely use much more fuel whereas a larger engine that is geared longer might net better economy and performance.

wasnt the previa motor a supercharge H4? thats how they could fit it under the seats, flat, kinda but not really wide.... might be a little to deep tho....

What about the good old Mr.2? Ive seem guys w/ +300HP turbo in those things....

I say.... Big Block in the back seat!! :P :shock:

thanks for the response, I think turbodeisel would be an awesome swapo for the Xb even the 1.4 could actually make the car accellerate better due to it's superior low end torque, the emissions things would have to be bypassed somehow.

Thes are unchaterd waters, I may have to see if I can find out some info by crawling through toyota tech litarature or, possibly crawling through junkyards. There should be some wrecked echos out there which would make good engineering dummies. The 1.5 liter turbo gas motor would also make a great swap if you could find one and somehow get it inspected.

I would hesitate to put much forced induction into the stock 1.5 as it's 10.5/1 compression ratio scares me when it comes to detonation under boost.
In addition turbosharging the car would require upping the octane requirement and definitely use much more fuel whereas a larger engine that is geared longer might net better economy and performance.

Yep, my last car was a VW Jetta TDI, I LOVE diesels! :D

The 1.4 diesel only does 0-60 in about 11 seconds in a Yaris, so I think it would be a dog in the 400 lb heavier xB, though it IS a turbo, so it wouldn't be hard to tweak it for a bit more power.

As much as I love diesels, I have to say a frenetic, revvy little gasoline motor does really seem to suit the personality of the car well.

I'd probably not opt for the 1.4 if it were offered, because we'd be looking at a 12+ sec 0-60 probably.

Now squeeze the 2.0 liter t'diesel from the Euro Corolla in, then you'd have 114 hp and 206lbft at just 2000 rpm. THAT would move!

we need some sort of combo to produce a sub 14 second quarter mile.

A sub 14 quarter could be easily achieved by turbocharging the 1.5, although I'm not sure how long th motor would last, you could stack headgaskets for lower compression and install larger fuel injectors and standalone engine management. I don;t know how ston the bottom ends are on these motors though so you could still blow one up. This would get you to a fast 1/4 mile. I'm not as interested in that as in a motor that is still reliable and maintains the good gas (or deisel) mileage that the XB has. The 2 liter corolla mill might do the trick nicely.

Does anyone know anything about motor mount and bellhousing configurations on the engines mentioned?

If the engines aren't in the same engine family series, then more than likely they have different mounting points.

wasnt the previa motor a supercharge H4? thats how they could fit it under the seats, flat, kinda but not really wide.... might be a little to deep tho....

What about the good old Mr.2? Ive seem guys w/ +300HP turbo in those things....

I say.... Big Block in the back seat!! :P :shock:

Some guy did 800WHP the other day out of his MK2 MR2.

A sub 14 quarter could be easily achieved by turbocharging the 1.5, although I'm not sure how long th motor would last, you could stack headgaskets for lower compression and install larger fuel injectors and standalone engine management. I don;t know how ston the bottom ends are on these motors though so you could still blow one up. This would get you to a fast 1/4 mile. I'm not as interested in that as in a motor that is still reliable and maintains the good gas (or deisel) mileage that the XB has. The 2 liter corolla mill might do the trick nicely.

Does anyone know anything about motor mount and bellhousing configurations on the engines mentioned?
obviously we would need something streetable and one that wont blow. i wonder. hmm. i dont care about gas too much . my old bug was way better wit gas anyways. i'm thinkin swap as the best way. i wonder what a blitz supercharger equipped xb would run in the quarter?

wasnt the previa motor a supercharge H4? thats how they could fit it under the seats, flat, kinda but not really wide.... might be a little to deep tho....

What about the good old Mr.2? Ive seem guys w/ +300HP turbo in those things....

I say.... Big Block in the back seat!! :P :shock:
it was a supercharged v6 or a n/a v6

A sub 14 quarter could be easily achieved by turbocharging the 1.5, although I'm not sure how long th motor would last, you could stack headgaskets for lower compression and install larger fuel injectors and standalone engine management. I don;t know how ston the bottom ends are on these motors though so you could still blow one up. This would get you to a fast 1/4 mile. I'm not as interested in that as in a motor that is still reliable and maintains the good gas (or deisel) mileage that the XB has. The 2 liter corolla mill might do the trick nicely.

Does anyone know anything about motor mount and bellhousing configurations on the engines mentioned?
obviously we would need something streetable and one that wont blow. i wonder. hmm. i dont care about gas too much . my old bug was way better wit gas anyways. i'm thinkin swap as the best way. i wonder what a blitz supercharger equipped xb would run in the quarter?

I haven't seen the blitz kit but most aftermarket kits are pretty conservatively tuned, and for good reason. To get the best 1.4 mile for the least $ a home brew turbo would probably be the way to go, A friend of mine with a similar setup to what I am bullding in my rabbit ran a 12.7 1/4 he rebuilt this year and is pushing into the 11s. The rabbit is supposed to be the fun fast car and the Xb the practical good fuel economy car. I'd love to see that 2.0 deisel as an option for a swap as it would certainly match the car.

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well, coming from the vw community, i'm not sure if you know of my friends car. he's on vw vortex i think. he had a 92(?) cabriolet, and he swapped in a v6 corrado engine, then turbo charged it. he had to make two custom mounts i believe. and he had to rewire the whole thing. it was actually harder than i'm making it seem. i think he even had to custom a shifter to work with the transmission. but, it's running, and been running for a bit now. and he even has the ac still in there.

anyways, the point is, if it can fit, theres a way. i think someone posted a picture on here of a vitz with a gt-s 1.8L engine swap. but, looking at it, i think that's the biggest we can go.

As far as keeping original mounting points, you would have to stay in the "Z" family of engines.

This means 1ZZ-FE or the delicious 2ZZ-FE.

If the 2ZZ would fit...wow. Imagine 180 hp in a 2340 pound xA.

wouldnt that be wonderful. it'll happen soon. and i'd even be able to pass smog in ca.

well, i looked, and all the 1.8L engines have an extra mounting point that the scions don't.

As far as keeping original mounting points, you would have to stay in the "Z" family of engines.

This means 1ZZ-FE or the delicious 2ZZ-FE.

If the 2ZZ would fit...wow. Imagine 180 hp in a 2340 pound xA.

Wrong! Just because they both have Z's at the end don't mean they're in the same family. If that were the case, the 1NZ would be in the same family as the 2JZ. The "NZ", "JZ", and "ZZ" are the family codes, not just the "Z". And it's 2ZZ-GE, not FE.

As far as keeping original mounting points, you would have to stay in the "Z" family of engines.

This means 1ZZ-FE or the delicious 2ZZ-FE.

If the 2ZZ would fit...wow. Imagine 180 hp in a 2340 pound xA.

:?:

where'd you get that information from?

there is no way in hell @ 2zz will "bolt in"..i believe el prototypes did a test fit once and in order to make it fit ..they would have to cut

The 3sgte swap has been done a few times now and is successful. I will be trying it next year when my two xb's are delivered.

The 3sgte swap has been done a few times now and is successful. I will be trying it next year when my two xb's are delivered.

a 3sgte scion xa/xb... never heard of them... have any proof???

as far as an engine swap goes... sure more hp would be nice (vitz rs turbo engine) but how about an awd xa/xb... hmmm... 1nz-fe=FWD... 2nz-fe=AWD... of course the 2nz-fe motor has only 83hp but AWD.. :D :D

its from nitrous express. they did an xb .
i'm just waitin for some sort of kit for the 2zz motor. it will end up being done within a year or two

that'll definitely be something for scion owners to look forward to. now that the rsx motor has found its way into a Fit (which honda will be bringing in soon), and nissan with their Cube (talks of possible sentra SER SpecV swaps), the scions don't have to be stuck in the kiddy pool.

they dont have to be but for toyota to pump these babies up it would blow costs sky high. well alot higher than they are now anyways.

in all honesty it would not be very hard to put a 2zz in the xb. the xa however would be a bit harder. but it wouldnt be too hard to fab up a mount. the 6spd tranny would be a lil bit harder. it just takes time and money. any big shop could easily do it probably cost arounf 5500 including parts and labor. approx. just waitin. after it's been done i will surely follow suit.

in all honesty it would not be very hard to put a 2zz in the xb. the xa however would be a bit harder. but it wouldnt be too hard to fab up a mount. the 6spd tranny would be a lil bit harder. it just takes time and money. any big shop could easily do it probably cost arounf 5500 including parts and labor. approx. just waitin. after it's been done i will surely follow suit.

so why would putting a 2zz into an xb be less difficult than putting one into an xa?? aren't they technically the same chassis? don't they both use the same engine let alone the same engine mounts?? just curious thats all.

yeah that is correct but. the xa has significantly less room under the hood.alot less room between grill and engine .

We will be attempting the 2ZZ swap into our new xB. I'm not sure exactly when it'll be finished, because obviously these things take time. Right now I'm trying to source an engine and trans. And yes, we will be using the 6spd trans also. I'll keep you guys updated as we progress. Fabbing a mount is not hard, the wiring will come straight from the Celica, easy as cake on that part since we are using both the engine and trans. I guess the only part that will be hard is buying the parts, finding the correct fitment, possible custom axles, better brakes.. you get the idea. But it is in the works. I'm not going to care if someone else has it completed before I do, but we are doing it and that's what counts.

yeah that is correct but. the xa has significantly less room under the hood.alot less room between grill and engine .

i'll need to see some pics of the xb's clearance between the engine and the radiator. ... i'm skeptical about the whole grill thing... maybe the radiator support but... skeptical overall.

Drop a 4g63 in there :P

That would be a sweet swap to drop in there. Look for any 1g DSM around. They are cheap and the engines have crazy potential and love boost. If you know what you're doing and properly mount the engine in, and tune it correctly, along with the XB's light weight, that XB is going to be killa, lol. You'll have crazy wheel spin, though, lol.

Just an idea since you're talking about swaps :lol:

why would you use a 4g63? thats a mitsubishi motor.... and the xa/xb are toyota chassis?? again... and what are you doing?? if your gonna go extreme... why now get an sr20det motor from a silvia or ____ how about an rb26dett from a skyline or if you want to keep it more realistic... how about a 2jzgte from a supra?? don't bother with the little stuff... besides... don't know how many spare 1g dsm cars are lying around with reliable engines... the point everyone should have in mind when they're attempting to put more power into their xa/xb should be reliablility.

Why not resleeve the engine to a larger diameter bore? Change out the rods and pistons, and go from there, either N/A or FI.

Why not resleeve the engine to a larger diameter bore? Change out the rods and pistons, and go from there, either N/A or FI.

that would be a good way to go... if there were parts readily available for that kind of a build... think it would be more feasible to do a motor swap instead... (poss a 3sgte??? or a 2zz-fe or a 2nz-feAWD)

2zz will be sweet. it's nothin about being the first or the only it's all about having a nicely done much quicker car. and please keep toyota with toyota.

2zz will be sweet. it's nothin about being the first or the only it's all about having a nicely done much quicker car. and please keep toyota with toyota.

agreed 100%

To everyone saying to bolt in a Honda B series or H series or the Nissan motors, swapping in a motor from a different manufactured car is a HUGE pain in the a$$!! Been there, done that and there's a lot more to it than just dropping the motor in. Rewiring the entire thing is one of the biggest challenges. Just something I wanted to point out. Sorry to be the buzz kill here.

Now the 2ZZ swap sounds like it would be cool. What kind of potential does that engine have? Does it work well with forced induction? Has anyone sourced parts to upgrade the half shafts, CV joints, solid engine mounts for the xB to support all of the added horsepower and torque?

Zach

Why not resleeve the engine to a larger diameter bore? Change out the rods and pistons, and go from there, either N/A or FI.

that would be a good way to go... if there were parts readily available for that kind of a build... think it would be more feasible to do a motor swap instead... (poss a 3sgte??? or a 2zz-fe or a 2nz-feAWD)

Well CP pistons will do a custom piston, as will most manufacturos. Now if you are wanting rods, I'm sure you can have a custom rod made by crower or eagle. But for N/A I'm sure stock rods with an upgraded bolt will do just fine. Maybe give them a cryo treatment, which is pretty inexpensive.

Sleeving: Golden Eagle does top of line work, and they do many other blocks aside from hondas, and prices are around $700.

Get a valve job and a some mild port work on the head. I don't see why 130-140whp isn't possible with some internal work N/A.

Why not resleeve the engine to a larger diameter bore? Change out the rods and pistons, and go from there, either N/A or FI.

that would be a good way to go... if there were parts readily available for that kind of a build... think it would be more feasible to do a motor swap instead... (poss a 3sgte??? or a 2zz-fe or a 2nz-feAWD)

Well CP pistons will do a custom piston, as will most manufacturos. Now if you are wanting rods, I'm sure you can have a custom rod made by crower or eagle. But for N/A I'm sure stock rods with an upgraded bolt will do just fine. Maybe give them a cryo treatment, which is pretty inexpensive.

Sleeving: Golden Eagle does top of line work, and they do many other blocks aside from hondas, and prices are around $700.

Get a valve job and a some mild port work on the head. I don't see why 130-140whp isn't possible with some internal work N/A.
i think that all that custom work would be way more expensive and maybe less powerful than droppin in a 2zz

how much will a 2zz cost?

anywhere from 2000-3000

anywhere from 2000-3000as cheap as 1500 if u find the right junker. just make sure its a gts motor and not a gt motor. (they look pretty similar)
allthough if u got a gt motor you could turbo it. then youd be up to 250hp. but thats more expensive and complicated. i'd just stay with the 180hp n/a . but thats just me and i smoke crack.

180hp on a car as light as the xB would be pretty fun. Does anyone have a rough estimate of what the parts would cost for the swap? I didn't know if anyone had actually completed the swap yet.

Zach

no one with a 2zz yet. but approx 5k to 6k probably. just my guess.

You would have to refab motor mounts, Cutouts on the inside of wheelwells, and Move the batt. at least thats how i see it. The 2ZZ would take up most of the engine compartment(and Plus some prolly.)

this gut in my area has an echo turbo charged and built inside and out running high 12's so i've heard.. But its costed him alot of cash

theres no room to turbo a celi swap, you have 1/4" clearance. You'll need to remove the radiator support, do the old school civic half radiator setup, and then possibly fit the turbo and run the piping underneath the car. The wiring is tricky as well...I could never get the gauges to operate.

and Nitrous Express hasn't completed the 3sgte swap...theres more work than you could possibly imagine and you need parts from 3 different cars let alone the custom engine and tranny mounts...that doesn't even include the amount of firewall and under carriage work you have to do. You can't just bang out the firewall...it has to be pushed back 6" and the whole frame will be completely cut out...not just 4" like with the 2zz swap. You'll need a custom intake manifold and you'll have to cut out your hood to fit it. Same 1/2 radiator is needed to even fit the turbo in there. No power steering, no AC, no ABS, etc...it's all gone.

People say they have seen the 3sgte swap (one guy in san diego swears by it and says there a walk thru on google he found one day) but there has never been any proof. It's a $7k swap...2zz was $3500

Oy yeah...and it'll be a tube frame front end...try driving that on the street reliably for a long time.

The 2zz swap is a very simple one...but for even more fun, check out the JDM corrola 1zzfe...160hp and ready for turbo...20 more horsepower right off the bat for a cheaper price than the US 1zzfe. I know a guy with one for sale, $2200 for everything...mounts run around $400...a lil firewall bangin, axles from a (that'll cost you for my info)...wire it up...and have some fun. Once you get the mounts it's about 3 days work to get it in.

a jdm motor will never pass ca smog tho. hey how can i get some 2zz infor from you? i am so serious about doing this swap.

how about a diesel engine anyone know of this possibility

waste of time. it'd never pass smog either.

leaning out the air/fuel mixture in any engine can almost get you to pass smog... but don't do it to boosted or tuned engines... they don't seem to like that... but as far as a diesel goes... i don't think toyota has a diesel engine... where would you get one? a vw? keep same cars and same engines people... that would be the way to go.

leaning out the air/fuel mixture in any engine can almost get you to pass smog... but don't do it to boosted or tuned engines... they don't seem to like that... but as far as a diesel goes... i don't think toyota has a diesel engine... where would you get one? a vw? keep same cars and same engines people... that would be the way to go.

Toyota does have diesel engines. BMW bought diesel engines from them.

i think he meant in america. so it could pass smog....

a jdm motor will never pass ca smog tho. hey how can i get some 2zz infor from you? i am so serious about doing this swap.

Your joking right...unless Santa lays a 2005 Celica GTS engine on your lap then it will never be legal. I suggest you wait another 3-4 years if you care about legal issues because the first step is finding an engine the same year/make OR newer and it's hard enough finding a 2000 GTS engine/tranny/ecu/etc... for under $2500 so unless your willing to shell out a lot of useless money, your never going to be legal.

And if all you care about is smog...I have lots of friends who pass cars and they don't even need the car to do it.

joe pm me about that

exactly. lol and i'd much rather get a new 04 celica motor in a few years cuz i cant pass it illegally forever. and hey lemme know about this il passing cuz i've got two other cars i need to il pass to. theyre "test only" if that matters or not. oh another reason to do a legal swap is if i get pulled by a po. if i get pulled with a turbo i'll be screwed have to go to a ref and the 9 if i have a new celica motor i can get it certified and legalized. but with my old supra and bimmer i do need il smogs . and no matter what motor i will need smogs with those pos's. please pm me showpaojoe i need all the help i can get (smogwise)

please dont keep mention illegal this and that...
i dont think joe will like these terms....

sorry . i edited my previous post. but yea any help is greatly appreciated joe

does any1 knoe if a 20valve 4AG swap would fit/work on an xA? im gessin it should since the engines are both mounted FF. btw, wat engine is the 2zz? thx

2zz is celica gts motor.
and the only reason i want a gts motor (expensive or not) is that a turboed/supercharged motor cops will ream me and make me go to a ref. so even an il smog wont help. maybe i'm just dumb is all. . i want a nice stock lookin motor that way i can get smogged with no probs , and not have to hassle any cops. i know it's one of the more expensive ways to go but i'd much rather start with 180hp and work up rather than start with 108 and work up. i'm thinkin a fully built 1.5 with a nice turbo and a 25 shot of n2o would maybe make like ... 170 hp i'm sure more is always possible but that can't be much cheaper. that and il smogs get expensive down the long road . most of em charge 250 so 250 every 2 years is a bit of alot.

what about a 1zz-fe with the 6 speed SEQ from the mr2 spyder

the 6spd is the hardest part it's huge.

and the seq? eww why ?

so does anyone have actual specs on the dimensions and mounting points of a 1zz-fe? comparison pics?

That would be sweet...

also, after reading all of the "1zz" posts, was everyone referring to the 1zz-fe or the 1zz-ge?

EL Prototypes says the 1zz won't bolt up to the stock 1nz-fe transmission...but they both use the same tranny. Does anyone know if they meant the 1zz-ge? Even if it was the fe, the bellhousing from our stock 5-spd is supposedly interchangeable with the 1zz-fe bellhousing.

Does anyone have any REAL in-depth info on the 1zz-fe?

I spoke with Chris Rado of the Scion drag racing team at NOPI and he told me they are working on getting a kit to mount the tC motor into an xB.

thats nice. really nice acctually.

i saw someone write earlier about swappin a b16 into an xA

well it has been done. as a matter of fact if you know where to look (i have yet to find) you can get the mounting kit from japan. and we still have alot of possibilty with the 7n-fe 1.5. not as much as the tc motors. but we its still there. i wouldnt swap a b16 just for the fact that i baught a toyota to get away from the honda world.

and to pass smog in cali isnt a difficult task. i got my roommates truck past. and that is a big block 460 with one od the cats cut off. of corse other things here and there but for the most part it was due to retarded timing. and a good exuast set up. if you swapped a jdm motor into your xA/xB im sure there would be plenty things to do to pass smog.

b16 ??? :doh: :tap:

The physical dimensions of the tC engine just don't seem likely in an xb/xA without cutting something. I hope it does happen, but it's unlikely.

People bring up the H22 swap into a Civic as comparison with bigger engines into very small cars but at least that one dimensionally fit width-wise without cutting the car. I'm not sure that would be the case in the xA with the 2az-fe into an xb.

A 1zz-fe or even a 1zz/2zz-ge is more likely based on the dimensions I'm familiar with from research. I'm still waiting for someone to prove me wrong, though. I hope they do!!

Im just letting yall know what Chris Rado told me. I really hope a tC conversion kit happens though.

I ran across some interesting information today.- 2006 Lotus Elise:
Engine: Toyota supplied, 1.8 liter 4-cylinder with DOHC 4 valves per cylinder w/ VVT and lift intelligence
Capacity: 1796 cm
Bore / Stroke: 82.0mm / 85.0mm
Max Power: 190 hp @7800 RPM
Max Tourque: 138 @6800 RPM
Compression: 11.5.1

Imagine that supercharged under your hood...

oh and even funnier... lotus is british? wither way a Euro company using a Japanesse engine. I love it

If I'm not mistaken, that's the same engine as in the Matrix XRS and others like they are talking about here, except that they squished an extra 10 HP out of it. probably wouldn't be worth the Lotus price bump...

If the 2ZZ would fit...wow. Imagine 180 hp in a 2340 pound xA.

The celica isn't very heavy either.. It only weighs just slightly over 2,400 without any type of weight reduction.

I would imagine that the 2ZZ engine is a little heavier then the stock xA engine so that would probably bring the weight up some.

I don't think the xA would be much faster then the celica, even if they had the same engine.

It wouldn't work and if you got it to work somehow it would be wayyyy too much money for high - mid 14s.

Agreed about the 2zz-ge...but a 1zz-fe with bolt-ons making around 160hp at the crank wouldn't be a bad little swap in the xA for daily abuse and durability.

Also, note that the Lotus Elise is lighter than the xA. They used the Toyota engine for Federal emissions to get the car into certain markets. The 2zz is a sweet piece, but those pics of it stuffed in a Vitz or whatever that car was look insane.

On that note, has anyone actually measured the 1NZ-FE from the back of the block to the front of the crank pulley for overall length? I'll do it this weekend...just trying to save the work of pulling off covers and stuff if it's already been measured. I don't see it published anywhere. Thanks!

If the 2ZZ would fit...wow. Imagine 180 hp in a 2340 pound xA.

The celica isn't very heavy either.. It only weighs just slightly over 2,400 without any type of weight reduction.

I would imagine that the 2ZZ engine is a little heavier then the stock xA engine so that would probably bring the weight up some.

I don't think the xA would be much faster then the celica, even if they had the same engine.

It wouldn't work and if you got it to work somehow it would be wayyyy too much money for high - mid 14s.the celica weighs about 2600

the celica weighs about 2600

No, it's actually 2,425:

http://www.internetautoguide.com/car-specifications/09-int/2004/toyota/celica/index.html

I think the 2ZZ-GE (180hp stock) is the way to go... figure it'll cost $2,500 to buy + labor... a SC kit cost $3,200-$4,000 and may not give you that 75hp+ gain. I'm speaking to a guy about it, who does a lot of swaps and toyota engine build ups. As for having to worry about being pulled over for an soup'd car, i recomend buying a folder and putting the CARB certs from all the product you have on your vehicle so if you get pulled over, you have legit proof that your car is street legal. Know your rights, you can only get ticketed if your vehicle is out of noise ordinance (sound system or exhaust system) 30dbs from 100' i think. or if you have illegal products on your vehicle like Nitros Oxide. Also include the federal act that protects consumers and aftermarket companies in your folder.

I kinda like what Waffles had to say back on page 2, about overboring and sleeving the block, using the stock rods and custom pistons. Might need a little bit bigger injectors, then just let the computer figure it out. Toyotas are usually pretty stout in the lower end, and there are various ways to strengthen the stock rods and crank that aren't expensive. Maybe have the cams reground to a slightly wilder profile...

The beauty of it all is that the mod is externally undetectable, and that the whole deal will pass any sort of emissions test/ inspection with flying colors...

How much of an overbore, and how much power do you really think that would give you? You'd need a 3mm overbore to get you to a 1.6 liter. That's huge in the engine world. Are the bore centers even spaced far enough apart to sleeve with a 78mm bore?

BTW: the Scion 1.5 appears to be between 20 and 21 inches from end to end (crank pulley to back of block). Anyone have access to measure a 1zz-fe in a newer Corolla?

I think the 2ZZ-GE (180hp stock) is the way to go... figure it'll cost $2,500 to buy + labor... a SC kit cost $3,200-$4,000 and may not give you that 75hp+ gain. I'm speaking to a guy about it, who does a lot of swaps and toyota engine build ups. As for having to worry about being pulled over for an soup'd car, i recomend buying a folder and putting the CARB certs from all the product you have on your vehicle so if you get pulled over, you have legit proof that your car is street legal. Know your rights, you can only get ticketed if your vehicle is out of noise ordinance (sound system or exhaust system) 30dbs from 100' i think. or if you have illegal products on your vehicle like Nitros Oxide. Also include the federal act that protects consumers and aftermarket companies in your folder.

the 1zz when trd supercharged has the same power but much more torque and no worries about bending valves.....
the trd kit is 1920.00 when you know how and where to look.

problem is the majority of simple stuff do not have carb certs......

and i dunno what state has a 100 foot 30db law but it sure isnt california.

Okay, so the 1zz and 2zz blocks are pretty much the same length (even though different materials) but the overall length with head/accessories seems somewhat different. Anyone with any length specs at all? Thanks.

in the new scion books at the dealerships their is a xb that has 400hp that did an engien swap they put a toyota 22 rt motor in it

in the new scion books at the dealerships their is a xb that has 400hp that did an engien swap they put a toyota 22 rt motor in it

Much more than an engine swap. It has been discussed in the forums several times. That xB was actually mounted on an older Toyota pickup frame allowing the owner to very easily run the 22rt.

my sister has a 2005 corolla so i can check the 1zz length.if i remember correctly from a few months ago when i measured a matyrix the 1zz is about 1 inch longer.

my sister has a 2005 corolla so i can check the 1zz length.if i remember correctly from a few months ago when i measured a matyrix the 1zz is about 1 inch longer.

That would be great info to confirm. Thanks, HotBox!

From sikbrik-

"How much of an overbore, and how much power do you really think that would give you? You'd need a 3mm overbore to get you to a 1.6 liter. That's huge in the engine world. Are the bore centers even spaced far enough apart to sleeve with a 78mm bore?"

As you say, it really depends on the bore center dimension, and I don't know what's there. If the motor could be punched out w/ sleeving to get 1800-1900 cc's, it'd probably be worth the trouble. Only an engine shop that specializes in that kind of work would have the answers...

I've seen a variety of engine swaps turn into complete clusterflucks over the years- even ones that appeared easy often have undesirable side effects. Swapping out aluminum block motors for cast iron can badly compromise handling, for example, even if it's a relatively straightforward bolt-in operation...

So, be careful what you wish for- you just might get it, and it probably won't be what you thought it would be...

the 1zz is also an alloy block but all signs point to it being too long to fit without cutting the chassis. Not my cup of tea.

I remember an issue from Import Tuner early last year that featured an XA that was boosted and stroked to 1.7 liters putting down 217 HP. So that does prove stroking the engine is the best option.

that article was a lie and that is the now 4efte motorswapped car.

Aside from that, it doesn't really prove anything until you also prove that someone can't make 217hp on an unstroked, or even destroked, 1nz.

1nz is not a stong building powerplant.

I tend to agree with hotbox, so that would also apply to any 1.7 liter "stroker" 1nz as well. Not worth the time/effort/expense unless you've got connections to a machine shop or too much money/curiosity to keep you grounded.

Overall, it seems that the best you can do with these cars (reliably) is some mild forced induction and maybe a few little efficiency tricks here and there and hope for 160-180hp max.

...is anyone even considering a 1zz? I've been comparing pics I find online but don't have access to a 1zz block to take measurements. Mounting looks nearly identical , although I'm sure the front mount is offset somewhat differently. Overall length would still be my biggest (and really my only) concern. Overall width doesn't appear to be that much different, especially on the newer engines with the similar composite intake, etc.

With a slightly modified NA 1zz, you'd be looking at that same 160-180hp you would have got from the boosted 1nz. Maybe more money, maybe the same, maybe less. It opens up the door for bigger and better things, though.

Did I read somewhere that the 2zz fit that car (you know, the echo hatch or whatever it was...) lengthwise but the overall width was the problem? Or did they have to channel the 'frame' somewhat to accomodate the length?

2zz and 1zz are the same size so it should fit the same. and i believe on the vitz that has the 2zz they modified the firewall and notched part of the subframe.

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