HEY ALL!

I want to start using synthetic oil in ym tc. Just bought it. I will do my first oil change at 500 miles and then at 3k and 3k after that. Regular oil on the first one and then i want to do synthetic starting 3k miles. THe service guy at the dealrehsip told me its not recomended to use synthetic in the scion tc and said its bad. WTF! Can someone confirm this or give me some more info on it please, thanks!

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I work in an industry that actually buys batches of synthetic base oils 550,000 gallons at a time. I've talked with many of the companies that provide these, and while they all say their oil is great, there is one that sticks out. The 5w30 Mobil1 synthetic is the best lubricant, and most 'pure' synthetic. The cost of goods to actually make Mobil1 is the highest of all the synthetics, but all the other synthetics charge you Mobil1 prices for a cheaper grade synthetic. If you're going to run synthetics, and want the most for your money, buy Mobil1.

Oh, and as far as hurting your engine. that is PURE BS. The Mobil1 product could actually be run in your engine >30,000 miles if the additives didn't break down.

That is absolutely true. I have seen the test on Synthetic oils and Mobil Sticks out but Castrol was a very close second.

I did my first oil change at 1000 miles (engine break in) then switched from regular oil to a 1/2 synthetic blend at 3000 miles and I am going over to a full synthetic at 12000.

I have noticed that the compression is still perfect and the synthetic blend gives me a little bit better millage (+1 to 2) and (sub-zero) cold starts here in NY are a LOT easier.
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I can only see the millage and performance getting better with full synthetic.

I can't believe a dealership would say that about running synthetic... don't believe them! The last few engines I have rebuilt have run synthetic from day one. Much better on the engine

HEY ALL!

I want to start using synthetic oil in ym tc. Just bought it. I will do my first oil change at 500 miles and then at 3k and 3k after that. Regular oil on the first one and then i want to do synthetic starting 3k miles. THe service guy at the dealrehsip told me its not recomended to use synthetic in the scion tc and said its bad. WTF! Can someone confirm this or give me some more info on it please, thanks!

the dealer is lying to you. they just want your money. my experence with synthetic takes my car and my oil a lit farther than regular oil does. in my car. i go 10,000 and oil change . no problems at all. but use the free oil changes. theyre free. the mileage differences are minimal but youll see small improvements.

Alrite sounds good. I will use Mobile regular oil at 500 miles and then mobile 1 synthetic at 3,000 miles. I also plan on running the TRD oil filter every time as well. We'll see if that works out for me! woohoo!

smack that dealer upside the head they mine tried the same BS.
The best synthetics are Amsoil, Royal Purple, Redline, Mobile all which are true synthetics. IMHO I rate Amsoil as the best. I have Royal Purple in my cars now.

yeah but how much for one quart?

what kind of filter do you use for those synthetics sciond and what grade?

I use 0W30 as it adjust to the temp. For oil filters I use Amsoil, Mobil 1, Purulator Pure One only. I pay $5-6/qt and with extended drain intervals it is cheaper than Dino oil.

i totally doubt you have to worry about ruining your engine if you put in the wrong oil. it's a toyota....

i drove my corolla for 3 years, it has 92k+ miles. i put so many different wieghts of oil in it, still runs awesome.

That is absolutely true. I have seen the test on Synthetic oils and Mobil Sticks out but Castrol was a very close second.

1st Castrol does not make their oil ... they are just the bottler ... they buy their oil from everyone else. There are only 5-6 companys in the world who actually drill the oil and refine the oil, ExxonMobil is one of thoes companys. Mobil 1 Synthetic is a Group 4 Base Stock. That is the best most refined oil you can use. All other companys use a Group 3 base stock ... less refined.

Mobil makes the OEM Toyota 5w30 for Toyota to meet their specs. You can use Mobil 1 5w30 in your car with NO problem ... who ever told you at the dearship that it is bad needs to be fired, he is a MORON!

Alrite sounds good. I will use Mobile regular oil at 500 miles and then mobile 1 synthetic at 3,000 miles. I also plan on running the TRD oil filter every time as well. We'll see if that works out for me! woohoo!

Why not just put in the Mobil 1 at 500 ... Why put conventional in at 500 and then change it at 3K ... Waist of money ... Just put the Mobil 1 in at 3K and youll be fine! The oil in your car now is Toyota 5w30 (which is made by Mobil) its fine till about 3-5k ...

I thought so! Thanks all for the help! For sure using synthetic now!

Alrite sounds good. I will use Mobile regular oil at 500 miles and then mobile 1 synthetic at 3,000 miles. I also plan on running the TRD oil filter every time as well. We'll see if that works out for me! woohoo!

Why not just put in the Mobil 1 at 500 ... Why put conventional in at 500 and then change it at 3K ... Waist of money ... Just put the Mobil 1 in at 3K and youll be fine! The oil in your car now is Toyota 5w30 (which is made by Mobil) its fine till about 3-5k ...

1st oil change after break in to get all the metal shards out and stuff, the first oil that comes out of your car is beat, abused, dirty, and breaks in the engine, you want to get rid of it fast! And then you dont want ot put in synthetic right away because its very thin and frictionless so your engine doesnt break in properly, so you want to run it till 3k miles on regular oil so the engine metals rub properly. So conventional at 500 and synethtic at 3k and every 3k after that!

Where did you hear that at ... No metal shards in your engine EVER ... Your first oil change is the cleanest ... The engine is NEW with NO damage ... Who ever told you that you need to get metal shards out of your eninge needs to get shot ... NOT TRUE ... Metal shards is a good way to scar the piston wall and cause oil blow by which will blow your engine ...

Your first oil change may look the cleanest.... but it just might have the highest concentration of metallic particles due to the engine breaking in. Now these particles will be super fine.... if you've ever seen the build up on a magnetic oil drain plug you'll know the consistency is similiar to talcum powder...... very fine, I changed mine after first 40 miles and then again at 500 miles. Left the dealer do it using 2 of my 3 free changes. My third change will be with Amsoil (at around 3000 miles) and the dealer offered to do it for free (me supplying the oil) as my third free change, compliments of Toyota! In fact, he says he highly recommends synthetic oil after break in. And not all dealers use the same brand of oil (Mobil).... the one where I purchase my TC says he uses Valvoline.

If you want to read a little bit about breaking in an engine see this http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

As far as Mobil 1 comparing to Amsoil..... there is no comparison (imo)......... Amsoil is far superior. Do more research and you'll see. Now Mobil 1 is probably the best on the shelf at your local Wal-Mart....... but Amsoil is available elsewhere for about $2 a quart more. And that's really nothing if you want superior protection http://www.amsoil.com/

Around here (central PA.) all the Amsoil is the same price as it is set by the company. Sometimes the local tire dealer here (who is an Amsoil distributor) will run a 10% off coupon in the paper and I'll use this to buy 2 or 3 cases of oil for all three of my vehicles.

Thats what I thought. Ladida, at 320 miles now, only 180 to go!

Your first oil change may look the cleanest.... but it just might have the highest concentration of metallic particles due to the engine breaking in. Now these particles will be super fine.... if you've ever seen the build up on a magnetic oil drain plug you'll know the consistency is similiar to talcum powder...... very fine, I changed mine after first 40 miles and then again at 500 miles. Left the dealer do it using 2 of my 3 free changes. My third change will be with Amsoil (at around 3000 miles) and the dealer offered to do it for free (me supplying the oil) as my third free change, compliments of Toyota! In fact, he says he highly recommends synthetic oil after break in. And not all dealers use the same brand of oil (Mobile).... the one where I purchase my TC says he uses Valvoline.

If you want to read a little bit about breaking in an engine see this http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

As far as Mobile 1 comparing to Amsoil..... there is no comparison (imo)......... Amsoil is far superior. Do more research and you'll see. Now Mobile 1 is probably the best on the shelf at your local Wal-Mart....... but Amsoil is available elsewhere for about $2 a quart more. And that's really nothing if you want superior protection http://www.amsoil.com/

Around here (central PA.) all the Amsoil is the same price as it is set by the company. Sometimes the local tire dealer here (who is an Amsoil distributor) will run a 10% off coupon in the paper and I'll use this to buy 2 or 3 cases of oil for all three of my vehicles.
good advice ^^^^^^^^^^

Do a Google on Toyota & Synthetic oil. You should find a few hits that basically state Toyota's position: Use it! :rolling:

I changed my oil out at 200 miles. Changed it out with more dino oil. Changed it again at 1200 miles. Then went straight into Mobil 1 5W30. Now i change every 6K miles.

BTW ... every change gets a filter too, Purlator Pure One ( blue casing ).

Will call toyota dealership tommorow to make an apoitment for friday to have my first oil change done ~~500 miles with conventional oil and then a TRD Performance oil filter. Good times :-)

I'll let everyone know how it goes! VROOM VROOM!

1st oil change after break in to get all the metal shards out and stuff, the first oil that comes out of your car is beat, abused, dirty, and breaks in the engine, you want to get rid of it fast!

If your oil has metal shards it's time for a new engine.

I have a 2000 Echo that I leased at first, then bought later. All of the maintenance for the first 40,000 miles was done by the dealer. Since the first oil change I have ran mobil 1 zero w-30. I now have 71,000 miles on the car and have never had a problem. After lease was up Toyota inspected for me to get extended warranty. The tech came and asked what oil I ran because the vavle train had almost no wear. Should notice less drag on motor in summer with the air on too.

"metal shavings"

jeez have to be so spefici with ug uys. Everyone knows what im talking about out. All the new engine stuff that will come out with the first oild change.

yes, with the first oil change you will always have some metel particals. They might not be big enough for you to see, but they are in there. All engines will have them during the break in period, you just can't get around it.

you should not use synthetic oils untill the motor is proparly worn in. this does not happen in just 3000 miles. more like three or four times that long. the moving parts need to branish. develope a ware pattern. the rings need to "set" bed in completely. that is why anyone who knows oyu use a non detergent non additive oil for initial start of a brand new engine. you run the motor for 20-30 minutes then shut it off. drain the oil and put in a good dtergent oil and use it for about 500 miles then change. if you have an engine that is a "full roller" every part rides on some sort of roller bearing including the cam crank and wrist pins then your only concern during initial start up is the rings. but you still use the non-detergent first. after 500 miles yes there is metal in your engine. come on its metal on metal what do you think is going to happen. every time you start your car there will be metal rubed off period. the oil drains away from the parts. the more you start and stop your engine the more this will happen.
the most important parts you need to worry about is the rings they need to fully and proporly set. if they do not you will get excessive blow-by you will use more oil. when your car is old and worn out where do you think the oil goes?
yes synthetic is for sure the way to go. but only after the engine is fully broken in. Toyota makes an engine that seems to last for ever. unfortunatly this means it takes longer to break-in. call any oil company that makes synthetic and ask them they will tell you. they recommend waiting untill you have 15-20,000 miles before switching.
every new Corvette comes with synthetic oil from the factory but every Corvette motor is spun dry at the factory to ensure the rings are set.
the 50-50 synthetic-regular mix is good but it will increase the break-in period. if you go this way i would wait 6000 mi then go 50-50 then another 6000 and go all synthetic.
i am going to use my free changes. 500 first 3000 second 6000 third then i will go synthetic at 9000
everyone has an oppinion.
Royal Purple or NEO (Red Line) are the best. no doubts
Amsoil is also very good
twenty years ago when Mobil-1 was graphfite it was the best. if you can find it it would be a great choice right from the begining. the last time i saw it it was on sale for $8.95 a quart.
you can't go wrong with Castrol Syntec or Mobile-1 synthetic
i would not use Penzoil Valvaline or Havaline
this is just my a++hole i mean oppinion

would it be a good idea to put aditives to synthetic oils?

would it be a good idea to put aditives to synthetic oils?

I use Lucas synthetic additive with Mobile 1 synthetic for my turbo application. But that's because turbos heat the oil really bad as it passes thru the turbo bearings.

can the filters last as long as the oil? i remember reading that the filter is only good for about 3000 miles and that i should change the filter twice for every 1 oil change...is that still true? i will start using mobile1 since i have about 12000 on the clock now. but i'm unsure of the filter.

JSYK, our dealership uses a synthetic blend in ALL of the oil changes we do (at no extra cost either). As previously stated, synthetics work very well in Toyota/Scion motors and should be used when possible.

I'm switching to "Valvoline Synpower" today from our standard synthetic blend. The oil was free as part of my sponsorship deal with them. Hope to see 1 or 2 MPG increase, but since I'm already running a blend I doubt it. Oh well, free is free and if I see benefits, I'll report them!

-Alex

nice dealership lol i wonder what my dealership uses (Keith Pierson)

well I hope I didnt hurt my engine too badly =(

I ran on factory oil for about 5k and then went straight to Mobil 1 synthetic and Mobil 1 filter. It has 11000miles now so 6k on the mobil 1,

I was curious and pulled out the oil stick and the oil was golden, when rubbed in cloth it was a light light golden brown, so thought it was still good. the mobil 1 that is...