My xB meets mini cooper S [Archive]

mikem53

07-01-2005, 03:08 PM

Well got a call earlier this week to come in and pick up the MCS. It has been on order for 2 months. Now I own another small displacement 4 banger except this one comes with a factory blower. I ordered it with the getrag 6-speed, limited slip diff, xenons, 2 piece light 17" web spoke wheels and some other stuff.
It runs quite differently than the xB when it comes to low end torque. It doesnt feel like any car Ive ever driven. Very much like a streetable go -kart.
Now, I have a problem.... what to do with the xB. Right now I'm thinking of keeping it. Hard to beats it utility and mpg. Will see..
Here are some pics of the mini:

http://zmikem53.com/mini1.jpg
http://zmikem53.com/mini2.jpg
http://zmikem53.com/mini3.jpg
http://zmikem53.com/mini4.jpg
http://zmikem53.com/mini5.jpg
http://zmikem53.com/mini6.jpg

the_saint

07-01-2005, 03:23 PM

WOW, now that is a cupholder!

I say keep em all. Start a tiny car collection. :D

ERIKB

07-01-2005, 03:32 PM

Great color choice on the mini, congrats. I say keep the box as the cargo space may come in handy....ooh, or trade it for a full size truck :P ....well, enjoy your little cars in the meantime.

SuperCrunchyAction

07-01-2005, 03:39 PM

Must be nice to have money.... if you don't need the xb, sell it and buy a beater pickup or minivan if you need hauling space.

Max

07-01-2005, 04:11 PM

SirScion

07-01-2005, 04:20 PM

OH! I loves me a good mini, and that is a good Mini! I am so excited for you!

mikem53

07-01-2005, 04:27 PM

Must be nice to have money....

Off topic here... but this phrase ____es me off. Work hard, get a good degree, and you'll end up being well off.

Mike: Congrats on your hard work to be able to afford the things you want.

Thanks for the kind words! I thought I was just sharing an automotive experience with other enthusiasts...
Have a great day!

mikem53

07-01-2005, 04:31 PM

Great color choice on the mini, congrats. I say keep the box as the cargo space may come in handy....ooh, or trade it for a full size truck :P ....well, enjoy your little cars in the meantime.

Thanks on the color choice.. I changed it 3 times before I settled on it..
You get to pick all the colors.. like the doors, dash,roof, seats... very cool buying experience.
I'll pass on the full size truck. I really enjoy driving the xB too... so I might just keep it around. Its also an automatic, so when I feel lazy, I can also take the xB.

exklusiv12

07-01-2005, 04:33 PM

and i thought the xb speedo was big at first lol

pharynx

07-01-2005, 04:46 PM

mikem53

07-01-2005, 05:02 PM

The speedo is borderline ridiculous, but the interior looks very "future-esque," with all of the shiny silver etc. Looks like a fun car to drive, much different from the chick mobile the regular Mini is. One question: why didn't you think of buying an STi? Just wondering, because it is almost in the same price range as the MCS. I guess you just love the mentioned "go-kart"ness that is the MCS. Cool buy, good luck (watch out on highways, my box has almsot been crushed by semi's 130 times, not sure how the mini will fair).

Actually the speedo is "retro" and dates back to the original mini of the 70's.
The shiny silver is real chrome, like the olden minis.
I didn't want an STi which is also about 6K more expensive. I wanted something different, unique. I don't like the styling of the sube and the quality isn't up to the specs of the little bimmer. The mini may be a small car, but its very solid and of high quality.
There is also lots of room inside. I have lots of headroom (6'3") and more legroom than the xB, but not the back seat room... I plan on tracking the mini as it really makes for a great little race car without many additional mods. Will see...

YELOSUB

07-01-2005, 05:06 PM

Cool car. I had origianlly wanted one of them when they first came out. I am happy with my xB though. I say keep both and switch off every other day. Enjoy!

ThunderGod

07-01-2005, 05:32 PM

mikem53

07-01-2005, 05:44 PM

heres my boss' mini S & my xB. and yes, i took it for quit a spin around the canyons. it sure hugs the road as if its a slot car. 80mph in 3rd gear and still 3 more gears to go! he's thinking of the conv. now. ohhh, maybe i can put this one in my stable :pray:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v509/hotxb990/1.jpg

Great picture! I like your xB... like the way you did the black trim on the front facia.. looks very nice! I have to deal with break-in before I see what it can do...

sensez

07-01-2005, 06:31 PM

the box looks better than your bosses coop.

the entry below the foglight.. did you do that yourself?

sen-

(what intake do you have?)

YellowBus

07-01-2005, 06:56 PM

I missed my MIN.
But I have a box now :)

Son_of_Microbus

07-01-2005, 09:38 PM

Great lookin' ride. I too considered one.

StrudelNinja

07-01-2005, 10:12 PM

ThunderGod

07-01-2005, 10:42 PM

the box looks better than your bosses coop. the entry below the foglight.. did you do that yourself? sen- (what intake do you have?)

thanks! and yes thats my "MO AIR" intake port. (sounds very hi mod, but its not :P )
port allowing more air to my INJEN RD2501P to gain 0whp :lalala:

Max

07-01-2005, 10:53 PM

hotbox05

07-01-2005, 11:56 PM

yeah well you cant go back a few years and get straight a's can u ? i know i cant. i ghad an awesome job 2000 a month cleared and only 19 at the time. but u get fired and no one will hire you for anything. so i whine . i've put in over 330 applications and can't even get a minimum wage job.
it sucks.

nice ___ mini tho!!!!

tcperconti

07-02-2005, 05:23 AM

Well got a call earlier this week to come in and pick up the MCS. It has been on order for 2 months. Now I own another small displacement 4 banger except this one comes with a factory blower. I ordered it with the getrag 6-speed, limited slip diff, xenons, 2 piece light 17" web spoke wheels and some other stuff.
It runs quite differently than the xB when it comes to low end torque. It doesnt feel like any car Ive ever driven. Very much like a streetable go -kart.
Now, I have a problem.... what to do with the xB. Right now I'm thinking of keeping it. Hard to beats it utility and mpg. Will see..

Excellent choice in vehicles! ;)
Here's my pair:
http://www.scionlife.com/gallery/data/500/11341ss-03.jpg

My advice... keep 'em both! The xB is mine, the Cooper is my wife's. We love having a pair of unique, fun to drive cars that cost less than the price of a single behemoth SUV.

tcperconti

07-02-2005, 05:29 AM

sensez

07-02-2005, 06:57 AM

Kurenai

07-02-2005, 07:55 AM

congrats. nice color too.

Raynonathan

07-02-2005, 01:40 PM

yummy that white xb looks REALLY good compared to the mini....I love mini's dont get me wrong...but..mmm them scions...they delicious!

SuperCrunchyAction

07-03-2005, 05:58 PM

Must be nice to have money....

Off topic here... but this phrase ____es me off. Work hard, get a good degree, and you'll end up being well off.

Mike: Congrats on your hard work to be able to afford the things you want.

I worked my ___ off and have a good degree... can't really consider myself well off. The economy sucks and unless you have an edge on someone through contacts or favors, it's really tough to get ahead.

SirScion

07-03-2005, 11:18 PM

then get yourself some contacts.

McBain

08-13-2005, 10:25 PM

So how's the mini treating you? I have an employee looking to get one. You have the MCS right, the supercharged one.

SuperCrunchyAction

08-14-2005, 01:21 AM

Must be nice to have money....
Do you say that to everyone who owns an Expedition, Denali, Lexus, or any vehicle priced over $34,000?

When all was said and done, it cost us about $34,000-$35,000 to buy both a new 04 Mini Cooper and new 05 Scion xB.

No when I see SUV drivers I automatically think a$$hole. Look around, they're usually the ones tailgating or doing 20 over the limit.

romhog

08-14-2005, 03:13 AM

thats so funny.
I have a Mini S in dark silver with black top and the wife has the
black xB
strange to see that combo a few times on here...strange... :)

SuperToaster

08-14-2005, 04:07 AM

I Like the interior! Very sexy! It is like the xB's nephew! I wish I could have afforded one but I really wanted the room of the xB.

ptmccain

08-14-2005, 04:10 AM

McBain

08-14-2005, 12:56 PM

milehibox

08-14-2005, 02:04 PM

The comment that a person who is 6'3" has enough room in a "Mini" is baloney. I'm 6'3" and sat in one and felt like a sardine in a can. They are super-tiny cars. The XB has way more head room and I don't know what he is talking about more legroom than the XB. . . more baloney. I'm glad the person likes the "Mini" but don't believe for a moment it has anywhere close to the interior room of the XB.

I'll second that notion. A female friend of ours has a MCS, and she's maybe 5'6". Plenty of room for herself. But for anyone over 6'2", not the case. It has a lot of space for a small car, but nowhere near as much room as the xB! Minis are very cool inside/out: the turquoise blue with white bonnet stripes is the best color I believe!

And, for those a$$holes who're tailgating us Scion drivers, back the f*** off! Driving my box the past two weeks has been GREAT. 'Cept these idiots in the F350s and almost every SUV make who think it's funny to cut me off in the accel lane merging onto the highway, and I'm doing at least 60 to slide into traffic flow! :loser:

I'll be :rofl: when gas hits $3 and they're crying they can't get a good trade-in for their gas hogs! Karma hurts.

UBOW

08-14-2005, 04:34 PM

Wow, what a great lawn! I envy you people on the east coast with your lush, green lawns! Post more pics of lawns!

Oh, and I love the Mini S, too! :rolling:

SirScion

08-14-2005, 05:34 PM

The comment that a person who is 6'3" has enough room in a "Mini" is baloney. I'm 6'3" and sat in one and felt like a sardine in a can. They are super-tiny cars. The XB has way more head room and I don't know what he is talking about more legroom than the XB. . . more baloney. I'm glad the person likes the "Mini" but don't believe for a moment it has anywhere close to the interior room of the XB.

It's obvious you don't have a clue. I am 6'4 and there is more leg room in the mini than the xB. Headroom is less in the mini, but I still have 3 inches or so. Try adjusting the seat next time you sit in one.

It is obvious ptmccain, that you dont know what you are talking about, I am 6'7" (if you dont belive me ask tCpony, Peteyd, smurfytC, Eiso, they know me.) and I have TONS of room in the Mini, yes, granted, not as much headroom as the xB, but addiquate, and WAY more leg room.

mikem53

08-14-2005, 07:30 PM

So how's the mini treating you? I have an employee looking to get one. You have the MCS right, the supercharged one.

Doing great so far! I enjoy the supercharger whine and it feels pretty strong in the mid range. Comfy and the xenons are awesome. The car is really unique.. Don't see many around and its easy to find among all the other suppository looking cars. :silly:

I still have the xB... I don't think I can give it up... I enjoy driving it and its very useful!

As for the comments about the mini being small... maybe on the outside! Yes, the rear seat is small and almost useless,, but the front seats are very roomy! Im 6 foot 3 and with the seat all the back, I can BARELY reach the pedals! Plenty of headroom also for a helmet as I will track this car... The best part about the mini is the go-kart like handling! It's fun to drive and 0-60 in 6.4 secs is cool too...

ptmccain

08-14-2005, 08:00 PM

SirScion

08-14-2005, 08:12 PM

^^ :eyebrow: :no:

TheScionicMan

08-14-2005, 08:26 PM

Just because people are the same height, doesn't mean they have the same proportions. Let's not get sidetracked on a non-issue. I'm sure anyone thinking of buying one will try it on for themselves.

I drove our friend's Mini a couple weeks ago, it's the base, not the S. It was smoother than the xB but didn't handle any better and wasn't any peppier than mine, IMO. Of course, mine's got a few aftermarket mods but it still comes in way cheaper than what hers was and with that extra $$, you'd expect more. SHe's also looking at adding a roofrack so they can take enough stuff for a trip. I couldn't have one as my only car but if not for the xB, I'd probably be driving the convertible version as my commuter.

My friend's had a tach mounted right on the steering column and there's a digital speed display there so you don't really have to look at the big retro speedo.

Wow, what a great lawn! I envy you people on the east coast with your lush, green lawns! Post more pics of lawns!

C'mon, now. Don't be jealous, just work hard, fertilize and water and you could do it too...

jamesgang

08-14-2005, 09:39 PM

A nonbiased opinion on the Mini room is needed here. SO! Here goes.....
......My sister-n-law's husband (does that make him my brother-n-law?) has a Mini.
I sat in it - though I cannot back up a claim of being over 5'9" tall - I can see how 'tall folk' could say it has plenty of 'leg room'. Because it certainly does. Does it have more than the xB? I dunno! I didn't pay that much attention. I do know a couple of 'large' folk who have gone to the dealer to check on out. They said it was plenty big enough.
The Mini is too small for me. But I'm used to Taurus/Sables (4 since their intro in '86). Bench seats rule. I even had a bench in my El Camino so many years ago. But that's another story - don't worry....I married her. :lalala:
By the way, the brother-n-laws Mini was cluddered with kid's stuff, and work stuff, and travel stuff. I'm sure that detracted from the space perception.

Just_a_Girl

08-14-2005, 09:42 PM

[quote="TheScionicMan"]Just because people are the same height, doesn't mean they have the same proportions. quote]

So true. Love the interior!

Mosh_xB

08-14-2005, 11:32 PM

My uncle used to have a Mini.
That thing was fun as hell to drive!!

B3ND3R

08-15-2005, 12:57 AM

OK, obviously mini enthusiasts are going to defend their precious Mini. Anyone who wants to know what it feels like to shoehorn yourself into one, just go to a dealership and try it out. I know for a fact that any attempt to compare the interior "feel" and space of Mini to the xB is ridiculous. Don't believe me? Go try it yourself and compare.

:ttth:

You do know that the MINI seat is height adjustable, right? Or did you just sit in the seat after a dwarf had taken a spin and not crank the seat down?

I'm not uber-tall by any means (6'0") but I have a buddy who is 6'7" and prolly 240 lbs and he fit in the driver's seat of our '03 Cooper w/ no-problem. An xB it's not (especially when comparing rear-seat room or overal interior volume), but to state that any normal driver would have to "shoehorn" themselves into a MINI is ridiculous, to use your words.

And I'm not a MINI "enthusiast" by any means (we sold our's after a year), but come on... If you don't like the MINI, that's fine, but at least come out and state your opinion as such. No need to fabricate a story in an attempt justify your disdain.

http://www.teampointless.com/apictures/MINI%2001.jpg

Sciond

08-15-2005, 02:01 AM

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b14/eclipt/123_2396.jpg
my box and a MINi near charlotte

ptmccain

08-17-2005, 10:22 AM

I don't hold the "Mini" in disdain. I'm merely trying to refute the amazingly ridiculous claims here that the Mini is comparable to the xB in terms of head room and leg room. It is really funny actually that anyone would possibly claim that the Mini has as much space and room as the xB.

Here are some facts.

xB front head room = 46.1 inches
Mini front head room = 38.8

xB rear head room = 45.7
Mini rear head room = 37.6

xB front leg room = 45.3 inches
Mini front leg room = 41.3

xB rear leg room = 38 inches
Mini rear leg room = 31.3

xB cargo capacity = 43 cubic feet
Mini = 24 cubic feet

The word "shoehorn" to describe trying to wedge yourslf into a Mini is entirely appropriate if you are a tall and/or big person.

I think the "Mini" is an awesome looking little car. I like it. I do not disdain it. I'm simply putting up some facts here that simply and undeniably refute the claim or suggestion that the "Mini" is as spacious as the xB.

I've been in a Mini, I felt like a sardine in a can. If you don't...great. Wonderful. Enjoy your "Mini"

SirScion

08-17-2005, 12:21 PM

xB front leg room = 45.3 inches
Mini front leg room = 41.3

In which positions are the seats? cuz when you have ALOT of legroom in the front, the back has none, literally.

Solarxb20

08-17-2005, 01:58 PM

omg!! Old school mini. :) awesome.

I think when my box is paid off I'm going to buy a used mini S. I've been in love with them since the rerelease. I want mine in white though.

mikem53

08-18-2005, 02:46 PM

xB front leg room = 45.3 inches
Mini front leg room = 41.3

In which positions are the seats? cuz when you have ALOT of legroom in the front, the back has none, literally.

These measurements don't mean anything. They are all measured differently.
I can tell you from experience since I OWN BOTH CARS.
The mini has more legroom in the front than the xB. The xB wins in the rear seats for sure. ptmccain is obviously a mini hater for whatever reason. As the others have said, the mini has a huge amount of space for the front seats... not so for the rear.
Maybe he is talking about the mini one, not the newest generation.. who knows and who cares....

blackterror

08-18-2005, 04:20 PM

the mini's have a very futuristic, george jetson interior. I was looking at a used one at Carmax and kinda felt "lost in space" in it. Very nice looking ride though, congrats!

ptmccain

08-18-2005, 06:58 PM

mikem53

08-18-2005, 08:30 PM

(':no:')

FACTS....

xB front head room = 46.1 inches
Mini front head room = 38.8

xB rear head room = 45.7
Mini rear head room = 37.6

xB front leg room = 45.3 inches
Mini front leg room = 41.3

xB rear leg room = 38 inches
Mini rear leg room = 31.3

xB cargo capacity = 43 cubic feet
Mini = 24 cubic feet

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.

John Adams, 'Argument in Defense of the Soldiers in the Boston Massacre Trials,' December 1770

:no:

All the written information is nothing compared to actual experience. I own both cars, I can barely reach the pedals with mini when the seat is back all the way... I only wish the xB seat went back more for more room..
So when you can put both cars together and do this test, leave it to the ones who can.

ptmccain

08-19-2005, 12:32 AM

':no:'
No Way

FACTS....

xB front head room = 46.1 inches
Mini front head room = 38.8

xB rear head room = 45.7
Mini rear head room = 37.6

xB front leg room = 45.3 inches
Mini front leg room = 41.3

xB rear leg room = 38 inches
Mini rear leg room = 31.3

xB cargo capacity = 43 cubic feet
Mini = 24 cubic feet

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.

John Adams, 'Argument in Defense of the Soldiers in the Boston Massacre Trials,' December 1770

No Way

SirScion

08-19-2005, 12:39 AM

yes, but where do those FACTS come from? and what do those FACTS intail? are the seats scooted back all the way in both??
Those are single FACTS there should be about twelve more for leg room at least because of each inch+ that the seats move back and forward.

UnFocused

08-19-2005, 12:40 AM

changing the subject from facts to cost.....

How much did the mini set you back. MRSP VS what you paid?

ptmccain

08-19-2005, 12:43 AM

FACTS....

xB front head room = 46.1 inches
Mini front head room = 38.8

xB rear head room = 45.7
Mini rear head room = 37.6

xB front leg room = 45.3 inches
Mini front leg room = 41.3

xB rear leg room = 38 inches
Mini rear leg room = 31.3

xB cargo capacity = 43 cubic feet
Mini = 24 cubic feet

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.

John Adams, 'Argument in Defense of the Soldiers in the Boston Massacre Trials,' December 1770

No Way

Sciond

08-19-2005, 03:07 AM

I still like OG mini

SciFly

08-19-2005, 05:55 AM

Well got a call earlier this week to come in and pick up the MCS. It has been on order for 2 months. Now I own another small displacement 4 banger except this one comes with a factory blower. I ordered it with the getrag 6-speed, limited slip diff, xenons, 2 piece light 17" web spoke wheels and some other stuff.
It runs quite differently than the xB when it comes to low end torque. It doesnt feel like any car Ive ever driven. Very much like a streetable go -kart.
Now, I have a problem.... what to do with the xB. Right now I'm thinking of keeping it. Hard to beats it utility and mpg. Will see..

Excellent choice in vehicles! ;)
Here's my pair:
http://www.scionlife.com/gallery/data/500/11341ss-03.jpg

My advice... keep 'em both! The xB is mine, the Cooper is my wife's. We love having a pair of unique, fun to drive cars that cost less than the price of a single behemoth SUV.

Hmmmm!

The Minis come in the best array of two-tone combo's!
As an RS2 driver, your mini gives me an idea for an easy and sharp mod:

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/2663/screenshot2840xe.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

bB2NER

08-19-2005, 06:16 AM

jamesgang

08-19-2005, 10:04 AM

mikem53

08-19-2005, 12:50 PM

Blah blah blah. Apples and oranges. Not even close enough to try to compare the 2 of them. The fact that you pay more for less in the mini was enough to keep me away from one. Also you can't beat the Toyota reliability thing either.
Oh, I agree that it must be nice to be able to afford both of them. It's also not nice to rub our noses in it either. Everyone that has showed what they own are only being BRAGGERTS! IMOHO

More for less? Let's see.. 170hp supercharged intercooled engine, independent rear suspension, 4 wheel disc brakes, electronic brake distribution, xenon headlights, chrome trim (not plastic), limited slip diff, dual panel sunroof, awesome looking interior....
the thing handles like a go-kart... built by BMW and it has all the qualities... I find the mini to be a better bargain than the xB. I keep finding more things to like about the mini... for example... the key contains the remote entry functions... when the key is in the ignition, it charges the battery.
The go-kart like handling and the great torque really make for a fun drive. The mini is also uses thicker sheet metal and is built more solid. Thats why it costs more. but you get what you pay for. I still love the xB and plan on keeping it... but the mini runs circles around it.. no mods required.

As for apples and oranges... you are nothing but sour grapes..
talking about cars and sharing information is what the internet and forums is about. Seems to me you are nothing but a jealous whiner who is also ignorant. I'm sure your parents must be proud. :bow:

mikem53

08-19-2005, 01:25 PM

FACTS....

xB front head room = 46.1 inches
Mini front head room = 38.8

No Way

FACT.... Ignorance is bliss.... you must be ecstatic... :bow:

UnFocused

08-19-2005, 03:37 PM

changing the subject from facts to cost.....

How much did the mini set you back. MRSP VS what you paid?

For god sakes, I dont want to argue, - just how much was your dam mini cooper s? did you get a lower deal than MSRP?

bB2NER

08-19-2005, 05:16 PM

bB2NER

08-19-2005, 05:20 PM

FACTS....

xB front head room = 46.1 inches
Mini front head room = 38.8

No Way

FACT.... Ignorance is bliss.... I must be ecstatic... :bow: :rofl: :rofl:

ptmccain

08-19-2005, 05:44 PM

bBoy

08-19-2005, 05:45 PM

aww ____

McBain

08-19-2005, 06:27 PM

FACTS....

xB front head room = 46.1 inches
Mini front head room = 38.8

No Way

FACT.... Ignorance is bliss.... you must be ecstatic... :bow: :rofl: :rofl:

Jethro... go back to your trailer life and leave the car talk to folks with a brain. The only one on here bragging is you, brgging that you don't have a brain is nothing to be proud of.

bB2NER

08-19-2005, 06:31 PM

FACTS....

xB front head room = 46.1 inches
Mini front head room = 38.8

No Way

FACT.... Ignorance is bliss.... I must be ecstatic... :bow: :rofl: :rofl:

Jethro... go back to your trailer life and leave the car talk to folks with a brain. The only one on here bragging is you, brgging that you don't have a brain is nothing to be proud of.Thanks :rofl: You just proved my point! Nuff Said :loser:

ptmccain

08-19-2005, 11:22 PM

Enjoy your Mini Cooper. Love it to death. We are happy for you. It is a cute and cool little car. But do NOT come on a board dedicated to the Scion xB and post baloney about how you have as much interior room as an xB. That's just ridiculous!

If you enjoy shoehorning yourself into your "mini" car. Great! More power to you! Wonderful! Who cares!

But do NOT try to tell us all that the Mini is just as spacious and roomy as an xB.

SirScion

08-19-2005, 11:54 PM

actually...almost everyone agrees but you.

dgboggs

10-18-2005, 08:43 PM

chucksu

10-18-2005, 09:23 PM

Stuff as found from www.edmunds.com compare car feature.

xB has a $6720 cheaper MSRP.
Mini has 1 year better warrenty on everything but drivetrain. xB has 1 year more then Mini for this.
Mini has more interior color options.
Mini has more exterior color options.
Mini has .1L more engine displacement.
Mini has 65 more hp.
Mini has 61 more torque.
LSD on mini is a option.
xB seats 5 while mini only 4.
Mini has more airbags.
xB has a rated max cargo capacity 19cu ft more then the mini.
xB is rated with 6mpg better city driving.
xB is rated with 2mpg better highway driving.
xB can run on 87 octane.
both cars are the same width.
xB is 284LBs lighter then mini, but bigger in size.
xB has 7.3" more front head room.
xB has 8.1" more rear head room.
Mini has 2.3" more front shoulder room.
xB has 5.3" more rear shoulder room.
xB has 4" more front leg room.
xB has 6.7" more rear leg room.

So looking over that stuff, you pretty much get a car with a little more HP that will cost you more in the long run + more to buy. I would not mind a mini, if they sold for about $13k. For the sticker on a S you can get much faster cars.

Last, based on my zip code:

*Edmunds TCO (True Cost to Own) =
Mini Cooper S - $37,722 / $.50 per mile.
Scion xB - $28,108 / $.37 per mile.

*These numbers are just based on the average reported price for the listed cars. So the Mini S has a MSRP listed as $26k for my area & the xB has a $15,527.

Over all its just a bunch of numbers. It realy just breaks down to if you like it or not.

:doh: I cant find the site any more, but there was one that had a great break down of how leg room is measured. It was dependent on how far back in the seat one was. Then measured to the edge of the seat (following human leg curve over seat) once at the edge it was then like a 42* angle to the floor board. So some cars can have much more leg room then what they are rated for. A good example of this. Me seated in a mazda miata with a rated 42.8 in leg room with driver seat all the way back. My knees hit the dash & I get cramps in my hips. Me in my Focus ST (when I had it) 40.7 in. rated front leg room. Did not need seat all the way back & no problems with cramps or knees hitting dash.

UncivilizedRacer

10-18-2005, 09:36 PM

Must be nice to have money....

Off topic here... but this phrase ____es me off. Work hard, get a good degree, and you'll end up being well off.

Mike: Congrats on your hard work to be able to afford the things you want.

No what really ____es me off is people who go off over small simple comments that where not even directed at them. I know plenty of people who got GREAT grades and a Super Degree and are working at Walmart to make ends meet. So get off your high horse please.

I remember the time I was stuck driving a 15 year old car and thought the same thing as this guy. Then I finally got LUCKY and feel into a decent job and now I own a 2006 xB, 2005 RX8, and a 2004 SRT-4. Guess what? I barely Graduated High School and I have no kinda degree to speak of.....

Just_a_Girl

10-19-2005, 01:24 AM

You guys need a judge and a court date.

Take it easy, we're all here b/c we love cars.

bB2NER

10-19-2005, 01:29 AM

For the sticker on a S you can get much faster cars. Yeah, like a SRT4 and a Cobalt SS :clap:

UncivilizedRacer

10-19-2005, 01:58 AM

Hell if that 25+ grand price is correct then you can get an SRT4 for way kess and way faster!

bB2NER

10-19-2005, 02:29 AM

I meant you could almost get both of them for the price of the S

UncivilizedRacer

10-19-2005, 02:53 AM

lol didnt catch that at all. good call!

bBlover

10-19-2005, 03:09 AM

Congrats and the_saint nice Mazda 5!!

Sparta

10-19-2005, 03:19 AM

I would actually like to know how much mike paid. that is a sweet looking car but im willing to bet it was around 25k. that being said, i am also thinking about the 2005-06 mustang.

Sparta

10-19-2005, 03:28 AM

another question mike. is it true you can only use premium unleaded for the mini?

UncivilizedRacer

10-19-2005, 04:06 AM

a turbo car needs the best gas avalible at all time. 93 plus octane is best or a knock will occur.

jamesgang

10-19-2005, 09:54 AM

I would actually like to know how much mike paid. that is a sweet looking car but im willing to bet it was around 25k. that being said, i am also thinking about the 2005-06 mustang.

MotorTrend Radio is reporting a Mustang based/platformed Lincoln in the future.

4est

10-19-2005, 01:31 PM

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.

John Adams, 'Argument in Defense of the Soldiers in the Boston Massacre Trials,' December 1770

..... and now a dose of irony.....

The colonials used the "facts" to show the British were at fault. A recent in-depth analysis of the aforementioned "facts" showed the colonials to be at fault. The same facts were interpreted two different ways.

Just_a_Girl

10-19-2005, 06:17 PM

I would actually like to know how much mike paid. that is a sweet looking car but im willing to bet it was around 25k. that being said, i am also thinking about the 2005-06 mustang.

Wow, your a brave person to buy a ford. Look it over with a fine tooth comb!

mikem53

10-19-2005, 06:18 PM

another question mike. is it true you can only use premium unleaded for the mini?

The mini cooper S is supercharged, so it needs premium.
I paid $24.5 for the coopr S. That includes the upgraded wheels, Xenons, sport package, limited slip diff, chrome package, arm rest, upgrded paint, fogs, heated seats...

The mini does have more legroom than the xB... regardless of the measurement as they are all measured differently. Why would I lie about this? I own both...

Driving the mini is like driving a slot car. The thing handles and corners like no other FWD car out there. The steering is very tight and quick... I also own a Z06 so I know about the twisties.

There is more to a car than going fast... Sure there are other cars out there faster for less... but the mini is unique... very refined and has that go-kart handling that betters them all...

I still prefer the Z06... its throttle response and handling can't be beat for the price...
I will be taking the mini to a driving event at VIR in December... will see how it keeps up with the porsches... its a porsche event, but I got in with the mini

Sparta

10-20-2005, 09:08 PM

hey mike im trying to build one in miniusa.com
the color you got is that dark silver?

mikem53

10-20-2005, 09:19 PM

hey mike im trying to build one in miniusa.com
the color you got is that dark silver?

Yes.. mine is dark silver with black roof. I opted not to get the stripes but they are no charge. Also I did not get the sunroof, I wanted mine for the track, so I saved 60 lbs off the top where you don't want the extra weight. It is also more rigid. The web spoke wheels I ordered are 3 lbs lighter than the S-lites. Good luck...

jared_IRL

10-21-2005, 03:13 AM

Sparta

10-21-2005, 03:45 AM

i love that combination jared. xb and mini

dgboggs

10-21-2005, 04:18 AM

Wow....

So this thread has taught me two things...

1) there are a lot of petty scion owners...

2) I'm not the only MINI/xB owner out there!!!

Here are pics of mine!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/jaredirl/thebox2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/jaredirl/mini3.jpg
Don't you find that the ride on the "S" is pretty rough? I know that I am pretty intent on the Cooper (ordering), but the dealership has an "S" in stock that is nearly identical to what I'm ordering, and no wait. I test drove both, and the "S" is noticably rougher...

jamesgang

10-21-2005, 09:57 AM

hotbox05

10-21-2005, 10:06 AM

man if i knew someone who'd rather get an srt4 or cobalt ss over a mini S i'd slap them.

mikem53

10-21-2005, 01:01 PM

jared_IRL

10-21-2005, 04:17 PM

I dunno if I'd call the S's ride 'rough'...

It's definitly tuned to be sporty, but that's because it's a sports car...

I think it rides smoother than the xB... And I still have the run flats...

All I know, is I LOVE driving it. It's like a toy.

dgboggs

10-21-2005, 11:18 PM

Dgboggs..... its the run flats that make the S seem stiffer riding. If I were you, I would go back and drive the S again. You will miss out on alot of fun if you don't get the S. They are pretty quick...
You can always change out the tires later on for a better ride...
Well, the thing is, when I drive the Cooper (which has 16" wheels with run-flats), it is a really nice, yet sporty ride. Very fun. I then drove the "S" with 17" wheels and run-flats, and it was downright harsh. I also noticed that the steering was harder on the S?....

jared_IRL

10-22-2005, 03:17 PM

dgboggs,

There are some differences with the steering and suspension in the S as compared to the base model. They are both stiffer, more precise, and better engineered.

you have to remember... Adding the 60+hp to the Cooper S is a HUGE difference when you're comparing power to weight ratio's. The S can keep up with just about anything on the street, and has destroyed many of it's competitors on the track. It really is a purpose built vehicle, with that purpose being performance and driver control.

I got mine because I do have a bunch of experience with autox and track racing, and I LOVE the steering and suspension feel in the Cooper S. I also don't think either of those is a problem with daily driving though, and my fiance (she's a high school bio teacher) drives the car every day, and she's fine with it as well.

Bottom line:

Cooper S = awesome sports car.
Cooper = Neat looking gas efficient daily driver.

Sparta

10-23-2005, 06:56 AM

jared you make the mini cooper sound slow. for such a light weight car i cant imagine 115hp isnt enough to keep up with a 3000lbs v6

mikem53

10-23-2005, 12:34 PM

jared you make the mini cooper sound slow. for such a light weight car i cant imagine 115hp isnt enough to keep up with a 3000lbs v6

I doubt it... the mini has similar numbers to the xB. A V6 would cream it easily...

ScionxBforlife108

10-23-2005, 02:59 PM

Must be nice to have money....

Off topic here... but this phrase ____es me off. Work hard, get a good degree, and you'll end up being well off.

Mike: Congrats on your hard work to be able to afford the things you want.

If your only a 17 year old like I am.. Still in high school... then i see why he is saying that... Now me i work about 12-16 hours a week in the winter and 60+ in the summer(i have 3 jobs in the summer) one is full time, then part time, then i mow grass for like 6 people

killerxromances

10-23-2005, 05:16 PM

Must be nice to have money....

Off topic here... but this phrase ____es me off. Work hard, get a good degree, and you'll end up being well off.

Mike: Congrats on your hard work to be able to afford the things you want.

Aah don't forget about those of us who work hard all the time, yet can't get a job, and then one of their parents gets ran over by an old lady and is probably out of work forever (as if it weren't hard enough to pay our bills as it is, now we have more.) But I digress....nice mini, I've always wanted one slightly more than an xB, though I'm too friggin' poor to afford either. Just watch out for g face!

Whoa! Sorry to hear about your luck. My post was directed at those who seem to whine about being broke, yet are the same ones who didn't work hard in school to better themselves. I am not point fingers at anyone here, I'm just making a point that with hard work (usually) come rewards. I know too many people who didn't go to school, yet expect the world to be given to them, then complain when it isn't. I hold a grudge against some friends of mine who behaved this same way. They quit college to make what seemed like a fast buck at the time while I worked my tail off, and when I got a good job after 4 years of not having a penny to my name, make snide comments about how "It must be nice" to have a place of my own and a new car. This mentality is far too common. I saw it in one of my jobs in college, at a liquor store midway between the ghetto and a nice neighborhood, same case there with the same mentalities.

First, id like to say nice mini! The mini-s is so fun to drive, keep us posted with all of your cars!! haha.

As far as the money posts.. I know i've worked hard for everything i own, 90% of everything i have is thanks to my bills. Even living at home, i took over payments and bills early. I consider myself luck to be 19years old and have a 2005 car with mods. I think people should be luck for what they have vs. they don't have. Not directing this to anyone specific either. But seriously, why whine about what you don't have when you probably have lots of things going for you. (generally, not just automotive or whatever)

Anyway, nice cars. Good luck to both!!!

Cya

jared_IRL

10-24-2005, 03:17 PM

Sparta,

The regular MINI is not slow, compared to the xB. However, in generally speaking terms, any time there are mini-van's out there that post better 0-60 times, you have to just give up and realize that the car isn't gonna impress anyone with it's speed.

That's not a problem with the S. It's been known to beat the Porsche Boxter in lap times on smaller tracks... It can more than hold it's own on the street.

But again, they were built for different purposes. IMO, they achieved those purposes nicely...

jared_IRL

10-25-2005, 12:19 PM

Wow....

So this thread has taught me two things..

Here are pics of mine!!!

Maybe this post will teach me one thing. I notice you have two stickers in the windshield of the xB. I too live in PA, but in a rural area where we only have one (inspection) sticker. Is the second sticker for emissions? Or something else. My car was dealer traded out of Pittsburg and has the second. I get lots of questions about that and can only guess at the answer.

We also have a Mini in the family. But, it belongs to my Brother in Law in Boston.

James,

Hey, I completely missed your post... Sorry!

The emissions stickers are as follows:

1) safety inspection
2) emissions

I have no idea which one they would eliminate, if they had to get rid of one..

But the safety one is a b***h. They check everything from brake pad thickness, to tire tread, to alignment, etc. Not that i'd drive around on a dangerous car, but since everything's privatized, and you take your car to a private garage to get these inspections done, it's rare that you come away without some 'required' repair....

:eyebrow:

mikem53

10-25-2005, 07:24 PM

jamesgang

10-26-2005, 09:18 AM

James,

Hey, I completely missed your post... Sorry!

The emissions stickers are as follows:

1) safety inspection
2) emissions

I have no idea which one they would eliminate, if they had to get rid of one..

But the safety one is a b***h. They check everything from brake pad thickness, to tire tread, to alignment, etc. Not that i'd drive around on a dangerous car, but since everything's privatized, and you take your car to a private garage to get these inspections done, it's rare that you come away without some 'required' repair....

:eyebrow:

In the country - outside the cities (Phily and Pitts??) we do not YET have the emissions testing at inspection. I've heard rumour it is coming though.

Underhill

10-26-2005, 02:51 PM

I've thought for the last few days (since I saw it in the dealership) that I've wanted to build my Xb into a handling/exceleration equivilant of the Cooper S. Does that sound feasible?

With a bit of suspension tweaking and perhaps a supercharger I think an X could hang with an S. Very similar power to weight ratio with the only caveat being the slightly higher center of gravity in the X. What do you guys think that have both?

jared_IRL

10-26-2005, 11:40 PM

Wow.

I'm gonna say no.

I mean even if you do find a way to get the xB to do a 6.6 0-60, and a 15.2 1/4 mile, you still have waaaays to go.

Here's a list of things that the MINI excels in. I'm not talking as compared to the xB, i'm talking as compared to just about every car on the street.

steering, braking, turn in, balance, shifter feel, pedal feel, steering feel, rolling acceleration, etc.

It's just a solid, well build machine, made for the track. You're talking about taking a glorified, entry level mini van (don't take offense to that, I LOVE my xB, but let's be real...) and turn it into a purebred, specifically designed, BMW made racecar.

Let me suggest you go to a dealer and test drive a cooper S. Really get on it, I mean DRIVE it.

You'll understand.

rallyxb

10-27-2005, 01:55 AM

Sweet mini cooper
*drool*
:eyes:

Underhill

10-27-2005, 02:02 AM

jared_IRL

10-27-2005, 03:21 AM

Underhill,

I'm not doubting that you can make the xB PERFORM like the Cooper S. Hell, I've seen Yugo's destroy porsches on autox courses... I've even beaten a few in my old 88 Honda CRX.

What I mean, is if say you do spend the $8-10k to make the xB get close to the S. Then what?? Will it still be every day streetable? Comfortable? What compromises will you have to make? At the end of the day, which would you prefer? A super modded, slightly less reliable, aftermarket boosted xB, or a perfectly stock, comfortable, and yet STILL slightly faster and better in the corners S?

Not that I discourage you from modding your B, hell, I plan on doing mine, but you just have to consider where you want to end up, and what you're willing to sacrifice to get there...

However, even with all of the mods you plan on doing, I do believe there's just some stuff you can't change. IMO, the steering gears on the xB are too loose, and too long. It feels like it's driving a bus. Where as the MINI is like driving a video game car...

Oh, and will the rear disks from a xA really fit? That might have to be my first mod... I do hate rear drums... I didn't realize the B had them til after I bought it... It just might have changed my mind...

Underhill, I see you say you've driven a Cooper, and owned an older one. That ROCKS! I love the older ones...

But have you driven an S? Go do it.

SRT-4's suck. Sure, they're fast, in a straight line. They can't turn, they have all sorts of turn-on boost issues, and the build quality is something similar to first year Hyundai's... Baaad example...

UncivilizedRacer

10-27-2005, 04:10 AM

man if i knew someone who'd rather get an srt4 or cobalt ss over a mini S i'd slap them.

Oh please tough guy....slap me.

I own a SRT-4 and would never buy a Mini. Plain and simple the SRT-4 is a better buy all around. I paid 19.5 for mine. I have added less than 5 grand into it. (to equal the 24.5 price paid mentioned above) and I know mine is faster (dynoed last week at 358whp and 388 tq) and handles much better (36 way adjustable coils with camber'd top hats, Hotchkis sways, and full strut bar package from DC Sports)

So at least have half a clue before u go spouting off at the mouth about cars u dont even half way understand.

Underhill

10-27-2005, 04:31 AM

Before we get into an all out brawl, :) let me say two things.

First the SRT-4 is a great handling car. To say its only about straight lines is slightly off. In a recent comparison (intended as a joke I think) a mag compared the SRT to the M-3 which you have to admit, is an amazing car. The SRT was within a hairsbreath of the M-3's times around the track.

Second the SRT 4 is a rude and crude animal. If you like it rough then it's your baby and that's cool.

The Mini is a composed relatively quiet machine that will outcorner almost anything bigger than itself. It's what made the old ones amazing (with their 50ish hp engines). Theyre light and theyre stiff. The biggest differance from the SRT is the build quality (something the Scion doesnt lack in) .

When I talked about the Xb when did I mention anything that would make it less driveable? A bit stiffer ride maybe. But the differance between the Cooper and the Cooper S is stiffer suspension, supercharger and bigger wheels and tires. The exact same thing I'm suggesting for a Xb. Why would it react any worse to the same types of changes?

jared_IRL

10-27-2005, 12:06 PM

Hey,

Maybe you're right. Perhaps it could be done. When I switch between the cars, in regards to performance I see some huge, almost insurmountable differences. But with the aftermarket these days, i'm sure you can do it.

As for the SRT-4, where's that article? I'd love to read it. I test drove one before I got the S, and I didn't like it. Not because it was raw, and not because it was a Neon, but I just didn't like the way it handled. It felt understeer happy, and god forbid the boost kicked in while you were steering... It was all over the place. But that's just me...

Oh, and if you do find a way to replace the rear drums, and tighten up the steering, PM me!! I'd LOOOOVE to know.

- Jared

UncivilizedRacer

10-27-2005, 04:11 PM

The sways stiffened it up greatly.....but the car has 4 wheel rotors....there isnt rear drums on the car at all.

mikem53

10-27-2005, 04:18 PM

Ok but lets see.

Braking theyre within a few feet of each other. And the Scion has very little fade. If you do need to upgrade the system some drilled and slotted rotors should do the job. Maybe put the rear disk settup from the Xa on.

Excelleration should be very similar if we can get 160hp or so out of the 1.5 liter. That should be possible. The Cooper S is a supercharged 1.6. So supercharge the Scion and you should be close.

Handling the corners is the only thing I'm not so sure about. But with stickier rubber and stiffening the roll bar and suspension a tad should at least get it reasonably close right?

The way I see it. A Scion Xb starts at around 15k. The Cooper S is 25-30. 8-10k should be plenty to do the things I'm talking about and you have a distinctive machine that might just surprise a few people. The look on their faces might just be worth the headaches! :)

:edit And I have driven the mini cooper. In fact I owned one of the original Mini's back in the 80's and loved it. So don't take this as bashing Mini's. But I've driven a Jetta that could hang with a M3 everywhere but the drag strip. You only need to look at a SRT-4 to see what can be done with a budget chassis.

No.. not quite.. The miniS has better largr brakes and its already setup from the factory. You don't have to setup discs in the back worry about bias..etc. The S also have EBD, vehicle stability control and other systems designed around and for the brakes.

acceleration will not be the same. First off the mini S has a forged crank, con rods, oil cooled pistons, oil cooler and many other design features engineered for the extra loads of a supercharger. Not to mention the lower CR needed. The tranny is also close ratio 6 speed designed for the S.

forget the corners... the box wont ever handle like the S. The structure of the S is very rigid and the steering ratios are very different. The S is amazing in the twisties... the box wont come close... drive an S and see for yourself.

My S cost me $24k. It doesnt need anything else to compete.. its already a little race car. Spend a $120 for a 15% reduction pulley and you are at almost 200HP...

The time you try making the xB as fast or handle as good.. it will cost you way over the cost of a mini S and it still wont outrun or out handle the mini... and it wont be a mini..

Underhill

10-27-2005, 06:08 PM

Check out MPH magazine's June of 2005 article "Apex Twins" where they compare the 'M3 Competition' to the 'SRT 4 ACR'. It's available on their website.

http://www.mph-online.com/mag/features/15

I don't know if it is possible to turn the Xb into a corner carver. And honestly half the fun is in trying. If I don't quite get the car to that lvl then I'll still have a fun and unique box to play with.

Jessman360

10-28-2005, 04:24 AM

Hey does your Mini have the JCW kit?
I was looking at the Mini offical site and it says the JCW kit upgrades the sc to produce 206 HP!
A 200HP Mini would be so sweet!

xdorkx

10-28-2005, 06:06 AM

Theres only ONE way to go with it. I have never seen one of these yet in person, so why not kit it!

http://www.bodymotion.com/Motor%20Sports/Mini_00108_-_SM.jpg

mikem53

10-28-2005, 05:17 PM

Hey does your Mini have the JCW kit?
I was looking at the Mini offical site and it says the JCW kit upgrades the sc to produce 206 HP!
A 200HP Mini would be so sweet!

I dont have the JCW kit.. its too expensive and there are other ways to get there for alot less money.. A 15% $120 pulley will get you to about 190HP.. There are many other bolt ons that will add more HP... The JCW kit is nice but at $6K+, its very pricey... but it keeps the factory warranty intact...

elusivedragon

10-29-2005, 03:28 AM

nice cars :clap:

id love to see a xb and mini of same color patterns sitting in the driveway lol yeah a little nerdy but hey....im a nerd

ive actually considered mini's before also, but i love my box now though!

xdorkx

10-29-2005, 05:58 AM

X_Box

10-30-2005, 03:52 PM

awww i want a mini cooper too! a red one!

Sparta

11-03-2005, 09:39 PM

mikem53

11-03-2005, 10:52 PM

hey mikem hos the cooper S holding out? I am almost done with my choice. im thinking either is a dark gray S like yours without any package though or a regular mc solar red. its so hard to choose, im still thinking about the convertible as well.

its doing well... thanks!
Heres my 2 cents.... If you want performance as your main goal... get the S... Get the sport package, LSD and the xenons are worth the $500. That will cost you about $24K

The vert has too much cowl shake... I would advise against it.... The regular MC is fun... but the S really makes it quick. The resale values are very high... so its a good investment as far as cars go...

The dark silver is the best looking color... IMHO.... the black fender covers show up too much with a light color... of course this is subjective...

The S with a few options is the most bang for the buck option... Check out the pictures of my wheels at the top of this thread... The web spokes... they were $500 extra... but they are lighter and you can sell them for much more then the std S lites...

Good luck .. let me know if you need more info......

You can be at 200 HP with a pulley mod.... same as JCW but for very little $$$

check out northamericanmotoring.com