I was surprised to see that there don't seem to be any posts about this here. I was at SEMA yesterday, Scion had this car on display. The sign said that it is a water to air intercooler. The IC is shown on the sixth picture down.

http://www.customtacos.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=631719&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=186&fpart=2&vc=1

Wow! That is a great looking intercooler. Finally TRD with some under hood bling. Wonder whaat kind of performance gains it gives.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/tour4fun/SEMA/DSCN6043.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/tour4fun/SEMA/DSCN6043.jpg
Now that's kinda nice, but I still want an air to air front mount

Munch whats the difference?

a frount mount would be cooler unless they make a cool subi style hood for the tc

very impressive, but what is with the pink.

If you want the air to air look of a visible FMIC this should do it for you. This guy doesn't show pictures of it, but the radiator to cool the intercooler water is mounted at the front, it pretty much looks like an FMIC. There was a supercharged TRD Tundra X-runner at SEMA with a water to air intercooler, it has the same set up with the intercooler radiator at the visble at the front.

http://www.customtacos.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=631719&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=186&fpart=1&vc=1

The Scion intercooler was smaller of course, but it filled the radiator opening nicely, and had "TRD" in red intead of black. Come to think of it, it looked exactly like the pictures posted in the other TRD IC thread where it was billed as an FMIC.

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=90091&start=25

If you think the pink is weird you should check out the rest of the car. The link I posted at the top has some more pictures.

pink uck, red "intercooled" lettering, uck

bling, yum.... looks like a lot of stuff in there.

charger is blinged too

For the love of all that is PHAT!!!

FMIC is sweeeeett

WOW! That thing is serious. As much as I love the bling factor of a FMIC. Water-to-air intercoolers are far more efficient thatn air-to-air intercoolers (FMIC). With air-to-air (FMIC) the charge temp can onlt get as kow as the ambient air outside. For example, if it is 90 degrees outside, the lowest temp the charge can get to is 90 degrees. With water-to-air, the temps can get below the outside ambient air, because water cools more effieciently. If it is 90 degrees outside, it is possible for the charge temps to be as low as say... 40-50 degress. This means it is possible to have your car running like it does in the Winter, in the middle of August.

So wait a second... they have a TMIC, but for water and then still have a FMIC for the TMIC water? WTF? Why not just have one FMIC and be done with it?

Though I have to say, if you have the TMIC... sleeper.

The way these water to air intercoolers work is the water running throught the intercooler (what you are refering to as TMIC) takes the heat out of the air. The water heats up, having absorbed the heat from the air. You then need to have a radiator at the front of the car to get the heat out of the water. Otherwise the water would heat up to the point where it was not cooling the intake charge anymore. The piece that you are refering to as a FMIC is just a radiator for the intercooler water. It is not actually an intercooler.

I know it's not really an intercooler... but my point is that they're installing and intercooler up top, but still running lines and mounting another device to the front? Why not just simplify it and make a FMIC?

Kinda makes ya wonder why they'd make one. Maybe they're thinking of selling it with upgraded pulleys? 8, 9...10PSI? :pray:

Well, what do think is easier to get down to the front? Two small heater hoses or two big pipes for the air? Take a close look at a supercharged car and tell me where there is space for two air pipes to get down to the front of the car past the SC and battery. The guy from ZPI said he was having problems doing this as well. It may be more complicated, but I don't see how the plumbing would work otherwise.

water/air cooler is a lot better for these motors anyway...It gets soo hot under the hood of these cars, the reason Toyota will probly go with the top mounted water/air cooler to help keep the intercooler from getting heat soaked resulting in loss of performance.

so the hood has to be different than a stock hood, any pics of the hood?

WOW! That thing is serious. As much as I love the bling factor of a FMIC. Water-to-air intercoolers are far more efficient thatn air-to-air intercoolers (FMIC). With air-to-air (FMIC) the charge temp can onlt get as kow as the ambient air outside. For example, if it is 90 degrees outside, the lowest temp the charge can get to is 90 degrees. With water-to-air, the temps can get below the outside ambient air, because water cools more effieciently. If it is 90 degrees outside, it is possible for the charge temps to be as low as say... 40-50 degress. This means it is possible to have your car running like it does in the Winter, in the middle of August.

That's why you use an intercooler sprayer to lower the temps even more anytime you want :lalala: .

It is hard to get a good look at the hood from the pics, and I did not look that close when I was there. It does not look as if it necessarily will need a new hood. If you look at the picture, it appears that there is a bit of distance between the top of the IC housing and the rubber hood seal on the body where the hood seals.

well know we know how to fit it in the car!

and i would like to know if a different hood is needed as well and what it looks like.
EDIT: in the pics on the link the hood is a reverse cowl (AWESOME), looks kinda like the kiminari one.

It doesn't appear much thicker than the engine cover which is seems to replace so it should be fine.

Having both a TMIC and a water radiator rather than an integrated air-water-air FMIC allows the air to travel a shorter distance. The distance from the supercharger to the cooler to the TB is less than the from the sc to the front and back.

for some reason that llooks photoshoped to me

oh were all too excited to think about such things :silly:

the air to water radiator is more comonly refered to as a "heat exchanger". i think relocating the battery and making a straight through air to water would be a little more effective than wraping it in a spiral over the motor. like the ones for the Focus. the intercooler in the pic will recive a lot of heat soke from the motor its self. an air to water IC is a little more effective b/c it does not require motion to work. the heat exchanger evaps heat just like the radiator. however IC sprayers wont work in this situation. to much charge cooler and you will freez the water inside and blow a fitting on the heat exchanger or the water pump. both very bad. i bet the TMIC that TRD did for that car would look awsome powder coated black with red letters or letters matching the color of the car that you own. should wait and see what ZPI makes for charge cooling on this before jumping into an ordering frenzy, charge coolers dont void warrenties.

Very excited.

wow... checking the trd site right now to see if its on there...

doubt it

what header is on the car?

what header is on the car?

Looks like a DC sport header to me.

i hope they know that voids the warranty of the car!

I don't think Scion is worried about the waranty on cars that belong to them. Now that you bring that up though, I wonder what happens to these show cars after the show is over. I wonder if they sell them or keep them in a warehouse somewhere. I can't imagine anyone wanting to drive around around in a car with hot pink wheels and robots painted on the side.

i could work with the robots. the pink though......

its Lord Zedd.

AHHHHH PINK ITS EVERY WHERE!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

hearders dont void your warranty. they void your emisions compiance. but i can tell you this, if you dont fix the O2 sensor to avoid the CEL your car will go on the fritz. that is why a lot of header shops have started to sell or develope methods to circomvent them. customers dont want parts that do more harm than good.

IT looks awesome.

Been looking at this picture a few times now, got me thinking. I was wondering before I saw this picture, what Front Strut Tower Bar would NOT fit because of the increased hoses around the strut after people put the SC on. Now looking at this one, it looks almost like NO strut tower could fit in there after the IC is installed.

so the hood has to be different than a stock hood, any pics of the hood?

First pic of the tc in that link has the hood in it. Reverse cowl. Looks like Kiminari.

thats what I said too, it looks as if the whole kiminari kit was put on too.

all the better, cause the kiminari kit is the greatness and if I needed to put a new hood on, the kiminari is an AWESOME replacement

hehe didn't see your edit.

I agree, the kiminari hood is the best looking one out there. Will the reverse cowl on the kiminari give any functional benefit with the sc in there? Or is it mainly a vent to allow heat to escape?

http://www.autoblog.com/entry/1234000017066697

Just saw that link on general tc forum. It has some more outside pictures of the car, including 2 showing intercooler replacing the lower grill? Is that component in the lower portion the radiator for the intercooler? Looks hot, but would take away from the sleeper look somewhat. Maybe not if painted, though.

Oh, and bye-bye factory fogs :(

I just got back from SEMA, and I was going to post the pics but i guess somebody did.

I took a lot of pics of the TRD cooler.

well why dont you post your pics too?

yeah man post up the pics, i deff wanna see them. the supercharger is looking better and better

My only gripe with it is that all the fluid and extra parts are going to add weight over an FMIC however they might not have had a way to get sufficient piping or airflow with an FMIC system. The good news is you can use products like red-line waterwetter to make this type of intercooler even more effective. Hopefully they'll have an extra gauge so you can monitor charge temps.
I'm pretty sure they used the reverse cowl hood as a heat-extractor since now, air has to pass through both the front heat-exchanger and the radiator making it a bit hotter than before.

They are definitly going to have to get creative to fit a strut-tower brace in there. Perhaps that particular hood has just enough clearence to fit one that goes over the intercooler setup.

I defintily wonder what type of boost this thing can take. Swapping in a smaller supercharger pulley, a larger crank pulley, or both will spin that S/C faster. Shortening the gap on the spark plugs will prevent blowout. The intercooler should prevent detonation (might not be a bad idea to get spark plugs that are one step colder). With a good header, high flow cats, a high flow rear exhaust, and possibly a wider air intake/throttlebody, you might make some serious power over just a stock supercharged tC.

I like Air to Water. Its much better, less showy. I guess some of you like getting pulled over with a huge front mount showing through your lower grile.

I'm too old and too black to be pulled over for nonsense that like.

The reason most people don't do it is because of additional cost.

What you gain from A to W is shorter pipe runs, meaning NO PRESSURE drop. You always get pressure drop with front mounts, nothing you can do about it.

About spraying a front mount -

You wanna hit your intecooler with Co2 in traffic???

The beauty of the A to W is even in traffic your inlet temps never go over 100 degrees if even that high.

Its just better, better, better, better.

Go get front mount if you want, this works better. Under all conditiions.

Cars with limited frontal area should use Air to Water whenever possible. Your not going to get a good sized cooler under the front bumper without cutting or using an aftermarket front bumper.

Most smaller units are good up to 300-350cfm and that's well within range of this supercharger.

With supporting mods, I'm sure you can double the tC's flywheel output at the wheels.

The problem with this A-W-A intercooler is the first A. The front munted water cooler is basically a front mount intercooler. Looks the same, smells the same.. So there's really no hiding F/I.

Of course, the shorter piping and water's heat capacity are VASTLY better as a cooler unit than air and long piping.

bump for the AIDS

just curious but how would this work when the outside temp is soo hot like in the summer with over 100 F weather. Sorry, noob question.

it still has airflow going through it. at speed, air is/feels cooler. it's still gonna be cooler air than the super hot air after having been compressed.

an also air at 100 degrees is still a lot cooler that you engine.

I hope to god that they sell this TMIC at some point. I am going to SC mine because the tC ebgine was just not designed to handle very much boost. It has a crapy gear box as well(which I would like to have fixed). But it would be nice to put a few extra performance mods to increase the power coming from the SC.

p.s. Why is their SC polished but they do not sell it that way?

just curious but how would this work when the outside temp is soo hot like in the summer with over 100 F weather. Sorry, noob question.

100F is relatively cold. Unless it's about 145+ outside, you're gonna see value with the intercooler.

Even if it is 150 degerees outside you are still going to see a benefit. The temp increase made by the SC is always going to be about the same for a given set of conditions(boost, compressor RPM, etc.). If you have 70 degree intake air and temp rise of 100 degrees across the SC, you end up with 170 charge temp. If you start with 150 degrees you will end up with 250 degrees charge temp. If the outside temp is hotter, the charge temp will definitely go up, but you will still see a gain with intercooler. You will, however never be able to get the charge temp lower than the ambient air temp relying on the air for removing the heat. Of course if you spray nitros oxide or carbon dioxide on an air to air or put ice water in the cooling system it is another story. If you put ice water in one of these you can get charge temp to be less than ambient air temp for a bit.

Even if it is 150 degerees outside you are still going to see a benefit. The temp increase made by the SC is always going to be about the same for a given set of conditions(boost, compressor RPM, etc.). If you have 70 degree intake air and temp rise of 100 degrees across the SC, you end up with 170 charge temp. If you start with 150 degrees you will end up with 250 degrees charge temp. If the outside temp is hotter, the charge temp will definitely go up, but you will still see a gain with intercooler. You will, however never be able to get the charge temp lower than the ambient air temp relying on the air for removing the heat. Of course if you spray nitros oxide or carbon dioxide on an air to air or put ice water in the cooling system it is another story. If you put ice water in one of these you can get charge temp to be less than ambient air temp for a bit.

Ice water in these is a pretty common track trick but it kinda requires draining or syphoning some water out to add it and looking at where the fill cap is on this system, it doesn't look like that'll be an easy chore. It works even better if you can turn the intercooler pump/fans on while in the staging lanes. (kinda like people make a manual switch for the radiator fan). Also, using straight water with waterwetter will help as well but it's no good for the winter. I'd stick some bags of ice right on that shiny conductive intercooler cover just to cool it down as well.

Methonal injection or one of those kits that sprays the front mount would be another way to make it more efficient. Hopefully they'll go all out and make the internal heat exchanger out of copper but even a good high flowing aluminum setup would be nice. It better not impose any restrictions or blockoff any runners though.

Interesting. Gonna be following this thread closely.

Pics with the hood..
doesnt really look larger.. just "sporty-er" hopefully the stock hood will sit over that intercooler..
sign me up... was ... that close topaying someone to fabricate some really bent piping to get from the SC to a front mount intercooler.. but hated having to move battery and air intake..

http://www.autoblog.com/entry/1234000017066697/

hearders dont void your warranty. they void your emisions compiance.

im not quite buying that. an upgraded header is removing a cat and changing things .....hence the cel issue.

Is This NA?

It was never moved in the website remodel.

I should be running a front mount intercooler very shortly that will be available to anyone in the public by a nice big name company.

what company and when? Oh the madness.

Unfortunately, until all the details get sorted out Im not really supposed to say...Im sorry guys, just giving you the hope that it is around the way...It should be done sometime in January as long as the company isnt gonna back out and turn it down.

do you know the price raonge on the intercooler?

well why dont you post your pics too?

sorry i dont get email updates from scionlife for this thread, i dont know why sometimes i do then i dont.

im always at work and its on my pc, il try to post it.

what might the price be? and whats the performace of the product? ....ya have to give us a few more details since you said you have it already ...hehe.

what might the price be? and whats the performace of the product? ....ya have to give us a few more details since you said you have it already ...hehe.

Never said I had it, I said as long as things go well I will have it soon. You could expect at least 25-40 hp on a properly designed I/C setup(not a ebay core and pipes). For all of you that know me on here, Im not the type to talk sh!t and definitely dont withold information from the public to try and be the "only one" to have it...as soon as I get more info, you guys will get the exact info. I will do a full product review of it IF and WHEN it does happen.

sounds like a party - let us know when you get more details.

Looks cool exept for the pink. If that thing comes out Ill be more inclined to get the sc.

Looks cool exept for the pink. If that thing comes out Ill be more inclined to get the sc.

the whole pink thing was so people remember it and talk about it. they arent going to come out w/ a pink setup. ...eventhough i dont like pink... i liked it... but anyway-- its going to be a normal color.

I hate to say it guys but I doubt its coming out...I was talking to my regional and district Scion reps yesterday and they said it was just a prototype, nothing more than that. They did say that one of there cars were running something else though, which I think we have a better shot at...Im waiting back on an email and will let you guys know whatsup.

nooooo...

I hate to say it guys but I doubt its coming out...I was talking to my regional and district Scion reps yesterday and they said it was just a prototype, nothing more than that. They did say that one of there cars were running something else though, which I think we have a better shot at...Im waiting back on an email and will let you guys know whatsup.

could you find out who made the prototype for them ?

if i had to guess i would say you are right and its nothing but a prototype but if the design looked right another company can copy the same design. If i had to guess again, i would say by feburary of next year there will be an intercooler out ....i think its being made but nobody is talking because they want to be the first one to release it.

if i had to guess i would say you are right and its nothing but a prototype but if the design looked right another company can copy the same design. If i had to guess again, i would say by feburary of next year there will be an intercooler out ....i think its being made but nobody is talking because they want to be the first one to release it.
could be very possible. Like I said, there is a vehicle running around with a front mount as we speak and if things work out well, I should be one of the next to have it and will help spread the joy to the community with the product info and release dates.

sounds like a party. let me know how it goes

same here.

you know any numbers with the intercooler?

Munch whats the difference?

The difference is that with a front mount everybody will think that Munch has a turbo and give him respect that he lacks on here. :)

Munch whats the difference?

The difference is that with a front mount everybody will think that Munch has a turbo and give him respect that he lacks on here. :)

You my friend are a moron :loser: Your post has nothing to do with this topic. You must really like me :rofl: I got all the respect I need at home in PA and at my other home in NY.

edited **** by S13

Bump. ANy new news on the possibility of a TRD intercooler. With ZPI throwing out a ballpark figure of 1200 for an FMIC, I'd much rather buy TRD's (if it ever comes out) or have a custom fabricated TMIC. Anyone know of any aftermarket hoods (or where I could have one made) that would support this?

Bump. ANy new news on the possibility of a TRD intercooler. With ZPI throwing out a ballpark figure of 1200 for an FMIC, I'd much rather buy TRD's (if it ever comes out) or have a custom fabricated TMIC. Anyone know of any aftermarket hoods (or where I could have one made) that would support this?

im wondering the same thing. I am 100% guessing at this but say they were to come out with the trd its going to be for the 2006 model and if thats so - its going to come out second half of the 2006 generation. .....thats even if they come out with it at all. its made .. ... its if they are going to produce it thats the question.

Bump. ANy new news on the possibility of a TRD intercooler. With ZPI throwing out a ballpark figure of 1200 for an FMIC, I'd much rather buy TRD's (if it ever comes out) or have a custom fabricated TMIC. Anyone know of any aftermarket hoods (or where I could have one made) that would support this?

im wondering the same thing. I am 100% guessing at this but say they were to come out with the trd its going to be for the 2006 model and if thats so - its going to come out second half of the 2006 generation. .....thats even if they come out with it at all. its made .. ... its if they are going to produce it thats the question.

There's no reason why an intercooler for an '06 model won't work on an '05.

-Ed

There's no reason why an intercooler for an '06 model won't work on an '05.

-Ed

It won't work cause the steering wheel controls would get in the way! It's good to have an '06! :rofl: :crazy: :silly:

:ponder:

There's no reason why an intercooler for an '06 model won't work on an '05.

-Ed

It won't work cause the steering wheel controls would get in the way! It's good to have an '06! :rofl: :crazy: :silly:

:rofl:

i made a mistake - i was saying that if they come out with it for 2007 - its going to come out the second half of 2007.... 2006 was a type-o that i just picked up on.

Steering wheel controls?

06s have steering wheel controls

That would suck considering the Tc's last year will most likley be 07. That's according to my local Scion manager.

im not sure how true that statement is but im also not sure how false it is either. ....why would they cancel a car that is doing nothing but making them money? Whats scion w/o the tC?

scion is switching there models out about every 4 years, so they can stay "fresh"

so yea at about 08/09 or so model year, the tC is outta here.

maybe thats not such a bad thing since its toyota. Since they are seeing what works and what doesnt work .... they can improve on their models. My guess is what they replace it with is going to have 200hp to start with (which in a few years will be the minimum anyway).

Who cares how long the tC will be around. We have great cars NOW! Back on topic:

Has anybody heard of anyone successfully putting an IC onto their supercharged tC? A lot of people (myself included) are wondering how much HP this mod would provide. Anyone have any clue?

i think everybody is wondering this - we are all waiting on ZPI to come out with the numbers.

i could swear that TRD was making a FMIC

Woah way to bring it back from forgotten zone. Get an aftercooler or a water to water inner cooler and top mount it.

2 years +, and it's alive again! Highly doubt this will ever happen.

Stay tuned...it may happen yet!

Saw this last year at the Long Beach Grand Prix on a tC, sorry for the small pic, only had my phone at the time. http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd189/mexipino09/Scion%20Life/SP_A0363.jpg

so far that only means someone applied TRD to the front of a radiator, lmao

shhh its JDM

I don't know what type of intercooler it is but it was on a Toyota factory display car, not just a regular car. Looked pretty sweet in person :ttth:

WOW back from the dead. It's a forgotten project by TRD.

It's not going to come out.

Stay tuned...it may happen yet!

I'd believe this more than that.

I'm not trying to be an ___ but just stating the history.

I have seen in person a trd water/air charge cooler for the supercharger myself.

And I have also seen people apply the trd emblem over an air radiator for the supercharger just as well.

Both cars were show off cars for hyping the brand

Its been in limbo for so long, the tC is gonna be replaced right around the corner.
This piece of hardware is little likely to be seen for the tC.

the xB2 has a crap load of room for a proper air to air intercooler, the tC does not.

There are plenty of other good options avaiable in the charger cooling dept. Already available to us.

INTACOOLA

And dealer/corporate car or not, ugly or beautiful. My comment still stands. corporate has tons of money to throw at their show cars.

Until you see the option buyable from TRD for the tC, I wouldn't hold breath based on rumor and pictures.

so is the water one going to be put into production?

i've been begging adq015 for details about it. and from what he has told me, the one he has on this road race tc is a prototype for trd research, and if trd were to release it, it would be a race only part (no warranty like what the supercharger comes with).

i asked him what i could do to help get it into production, and he said to try and find a group of interested supercharged tc owners and ask them how much they might be willing to pay for a production version.

basically do some market research, take some polls and surveys and what not, and if trd can justify that there are enough buyers for this product, they might put it into production.

sounds kinda slim, but i think it will be my pet project for this summer trying to get the supercharged tc owners to push trd to produce it.

well for what it's worth I would buy one

yea drax try to get somthing together i would buy one .

i've been begging adq015 for details about it. and from what he has told me, the one he has on this road race tc is a prototype for trd research, and if trd were to release it, it would be a race only part (no warranty like what the supercharger comes with).

i asked him what i could do to help get it into production, and he said to try and find a group of interested supercharged tc owners and ask them how much they might be willing to pay for a production version.

basically do some market research, take some polls and surveys and what not, and if trd can justify that there are enough buyers for this product, they might put it into production.

sounds kinda slim, but i think it will be my pet project for this summer trying to get the supercharged tc owners to push trd to produce it.

Well TRD should already know most supercharger owners want the intercooler for the supercharger. When I talk to them about it. They said they get e-mails and phone calls all the time about an upgrade pulley from TRD, a TRD intake that will fit the supercharger, upgrade injectors from TRD and a TRD intercooler. They already know what the owners want. I wish the would of made those upgrades for the supercharged scion owners. If they do make it. I guess it better late then never.
I really wish the would

I'd buy one if it were available, so im in drax!!

i've been begging adq015 for details about it. and from what he has told me, the one he has on this road race tc is a prototype for trd research, and if trd were to release it, it would be a race only part (no warranty like what the supercharger comes with).

i asked him what i could do to help get it into production, and he said to try and find a group of interested supercharged tc owners and ask them how much they might be willing to pay for a production version.

basically do some market research, take some polls and surveys and what not, and if trd can justify that there are enough buyers for this product, they might put it into production.

sounds kinda slim, but i think it will be my pet project for this summer trying to get the supercharged tc owners to push trd to produce it.

Drax, why not shoot a PM to the girl that works for Toyota? Integress is her name or something like that. I'm pretty sure she can throw in some words for you, and I mean, it's a long shot, but why not? And I would be interested too... unless I get one from a company on here.... :P

My suggestion is again to start a NEW thread and for people to add their names to the list of people willing to buy it, and the price cap they'd be willing to pay.

I wouldn't call the chances slim. I have daily contact with TRD.

If someone starts a new thread and keeps it ON TOPIC and organized, let me know where it is, and I'll direct the attention of the powers that be to it.

If anyone doesn't know...this is who we are:

http://gallery.aboutgardner.com/albums/CalSpeedway03-08/CP2_1073.sized.jpg

^ Im in, money in hand. Seriously.

how much of a chance do you think we got after we get a good organized thread rolling? ill be willing to slap one of the first on my car

very interested–watching

My suggestion is again to start a NEW thread and for people to add their names to the list of people willing to buy it, and the price cap they'd be willing to pay.

I wouldn't call the chances slim. I have daily contact with TRD.

If someone starts a new thread and keeps it ON TOPIC and organized, let me know where it is, and I'll direct the attention of the powers that be to it.

If anyone doesn't know...this is who we are:

http://gallery.aboutgardner.com/albums/CalSpeedway03-08/CP2_1073.sized.jpg

i know, i promise i will get started on this around wednesday, i just gotta finish up some papers and study for a few final exams, so that i can graduate on time this saturday, but once those are out of the way, i will make it my mission to get TRD to make a tC supercharger intercooler!

well, i am suddenly reminded of the last time around 100 people or so got together legitimately to get something mass produced here.... :lalala:

NICE DRAX. count me in that mass production.

I see very slim chances of this happening.

An intercooler setup is going to run $800-$1000.
Plus a pulley to get the boost levels back up to stock. Plus a Piggyback system to retune the entire thing. PLUS LOOSE YOUR WARRANTY ON THE SUPERCHARGER!!

So with the intercooler:$1000
+
The Pulle:$110
+
The BPV:$100
+
AEM F/iC: $400
+
Dyno Tunning: $400
= $2010



I highly doubt anyone is going to pay $2000 for 30whp. and loss of warranty.


OH WAIT!!! And thats without installation!!!!
Oh!! And add in to make it worth it:
Header: $300
Exhuast: $500
Intake: $150

Wow, I really dont see that many people buying it. but I bet alot of people will talk about buying it.

Just my 2cents tho.

well, i am suddenly reminded of the last time around 100 people or so got together legitimately to get something mass produced here.... :lalala:

if you would be so kind, please enlighten me as to what you are talking about and what went wrong.

but anyway, thinking about it, it would make more sense now to trd for them to release an intercooler for the supercharber because:

1. more people are supercharged since they price for the 05-06 supercharged dropped down so much. i mean, about $4100 installed for 40 warrantied horsepower was a pretty steep price to swallow, especially considering how most tC owners are high school and college students. now that sparks has sold so many for half that price, there are many more supercharged tC owners craving more horsepower, and since the supercharger is limited by a lack of cooling options because some people fear water/meth injection, and a FMIC means losing 2 psi, many of them actually sell the supercharger and have started forking out thousands of dollars for turbo's. why doesn't TRD want that money?

2. The intercooler would also work with the 07-08 models tc also, then could be made to fit the 08+ xB, and the corolla and matrix XRS.

i mean, i suppose one thing that might be holding TRD back would be what to do about tuning, since the supercharger reflash would have to be changed since the air density with the intercooler might unsettle them, they might feel they have to provide another computer reflash to work with the intercooler.

I see very slim chances of this happening.

An intercooler setup is going to run $800-$1000.
Plus a pulley to get the boost levels back up to stock. Plus a Piggyback system to retune the entire thing. PLUS LOOSE YOUR WARRANTY ON THE SUPERCHARGER!!

So with the intercooler:$1000
+
The Pulle:$110
+
The BPV:$100
+
AEM F/iC: $400
+
Dyno Tunning: $400
= $2010



I highly doubt anyone is going to pay $2000 for 30whp. and loss of warranty.


OH WAIT!!! And thats without installation!!!!
Oh!! And add in to make it worth it:
Header: $300
Exhuast: $500
Intake: $150

Wow, I really dont see that many people buying it. but I bet alot of people will talk about buying it.

Just my 2cents tho.

well, he said it would only be available as a race only part.

also, why do you say only 30 hp?

9.5 pulley, 20 whp, intake, 10 hp, full exhaust, 15 hp, so we are already up to 45 whp gained.

then the intercooler lets you do even more than that because you can take the psi up further to 11 or 12 psi, make another 20 or 30 hp, and tun with a piggyback ecu.

so you can make up to another 75 hp. hell, we could make it to 30 whp probably.

^ You are NOT going to gain 10whp from an intake on a S/C.

what went wrong is they couldn't get it to happen and it ended up a as a $2,000+ lost cause. this is after 100 people signed up and even helped fund the project, they had working protoypes and all and it was just a headlight! :lol:

the trd top mount does look pretty though, but i would not get one till after my 60k warrenty ended

i wouldn't think tuning should be stopping them, they are still coming aout with adjusted tunes for the supercharger as it is.
unless your talking in terms of the different ecus that may be present between 05-06tCs, 07-08tCs, xB2, 09corolla, 09matrix
that may be an issue, i am not sure.

and i must agree with nick06tC, if installing and tuning and all associated costs with putting that prototype TRD charge cooler is comparable to just running a turbo setup then people are less likely to go that option.

after all these years of using that design and still not having it become a viable option i am extremely doubtful that it will be released ever, even with the upsurge of supercharged tCs, they were done cause it was cheap, reliable and warrentied.
and they got there only cause they were discontinued and clearanced , :lol:

from all info i've read and all the other TRD power options this kit can't be those things.
:ponder:

I see very slim chances of this happening.

An intercooler setup is going to run $800-$1000.
Plus a pulley to get the boost levels back up to stock. Plus a Piggyback system to retune the entire thing. PLUS LOOSE YOUR WARRANTY ON THE SUPERCHARGER!!

So with the intercooler:$1000
+
The Pulle:$110
+
The BPV:$100
+
AEM F/iC: $400
+
Dyno Tunning: $400
= $2010



I highly doubt anyone is going to pay $2000 for 30whp. and loss of warranty.


OH WAIT!!! And thats without installation!!!!
Oh!! And add in to make it worth it:
Header: $300
Exhuast: $500
Intake: $150

Wow, I really dont see that many people buying it. but I bet alot of people will talk about buying it.

Just my 2cents tho.

well, he said it would only be available as a race only part.

also, why do you say only 30 hp?

9.5 pulley, 20 whp, intake, 10 hp, full exhaust, 15 hp, so we are already up to 45 whp gained.

then the intercooler lets you do even more than that because you can take the psi up further to 11 or 12 psi, make another 20 or 30 hp, and tun with a piggyback ecu.

so you can make up to another 75 hp. hell, we could make it to 30 whp probably.

Reread my post and you will see why I said 30WHP. I said 30WHP when only factoring in what you would get with the TRD upgrade. For $2000 it WILL NOT come with ANY of the mods you listed to get that power.

With the TRD upgrade you will still be running stock boost levels even with an upgraded pulley. So a 9.5PSI pulley will only net you 7.5 PSI. Close to stock. The ONLY thing an intercooler does is allow to run more boost and a more aggresive tune. it doesnt magically make horsepower. I estimate 30WHP because the tune will be so much better at stock levels with the lower intake temps.

So for your upgrades to get a HIGH estimate of 75HP. You are talking ANOTHER $1000 on top of the $2100 I already stated.
So now we are at $3100+ say $600 for install. Conservatively say $3500 installed. So for a 2005-6 tC with supercharger: $1850 (s/c)+$500 (install)+$3500 (upgrade)= $5850 and you run maybe 270whp that will get smoked by a 250hp turbo tC.

Now take an 07-08: $3000 (sc)+$500 (install)+$3500 (upgrade)= $7000
AND ZERO WARRANTY, NOT STREET LEGAL, SLOWER THAN A $3000 tC turbo!!!

See why I am so skeptical?

...even with the upsurge of supercharged tCs, they were done cause it was cheap, reliable and warrentied.
and they got there only cause they were discontinued and clearanced , :lol:
:ponder:

Very true. The main reason so many people ont his board have a SC tC is because the price went below $2000. I boguht mine when I payed nearly $4000 installed. Very few on this site have that kind of coin to drop. I cant believe I waisted that money. but at $2000, I see why people are buying it. Its well worth it at that price!!!

damn right, i only got it cause the price was slashed in half and i had a kickass deal for dealer install.

carbonXe: back in the day, when zpi was messing around with the tC, they made a dyno of an sc'ed tc wit just the lower half of the air intake box removed, and made a substanial gain in power, i can't remember exactly, it has been years now, but they made about 10-15 hp. so a high flow intake instead of the stock airbox would see a healthy gain in power.

nicko6tc: this is a TMIC with an FMIC heat exchanger, therefore you lose just alittle more than zero boost. i know intercoolers don't add hp, but they let you take your boost levels higher, safer to make more power. it is a building block if you will.

now, we can spit numbers back and forth all night, but i have a paper i am writing, and if you don't want this TRD intercooler, than you don't have to help.

yes, even i am skeptical that i will be able to make TRD make an intercooler, but it is better than just doing nothing. i want this part for my tC and i am going to devote some time and efford into showing them that there is a market for it.

my tC is my first boosted car, and thinking about it, supercharging was a smart choice because they are less complicated and safer tan turbochargers, but yea, they make less power and are slower. but i want to continue developing this car and bring its power as close to 300 whp as i can before gas prices make this hobby completely uneconomical.

so either help me out if you are interested, or stop critisizing something i am trying to do for the good of the supercharged tC members of the scion community as well as myself.

more power to it, just dont want anyone to be blinded by hope especially with how long the application has just been sitting in limbo. as i said, their prototypes look pretty and i would be one to possibly make use of the option. if it keeps the warrenty then all the more sooner.

and oh noes dont mention zpi you might get some of that stigma unnecessarily attached to this. :lol:

Unlike most tC owners, I will have a practical use for the intercooler. I am choosing to supercharge my tC because my whole goal with the tC is to modify it for optimal track use, but keep the aspect of daily driving intact, which is something a turbo can't fulfill in my opinion. Regardless of cost and other factors, I'm interested in one for track racing and I feel that an intercooler could potentially be useful.

carbonXe: back in the day, when zpi was messing around with the tC, they made a dyno of an sc'ed tc wit just the lower half of the air intake box removed, and made a substanial gain in power, i can't remember exactly, it has been years now, but they made about 10-15 hp. so a high flow intake instead of the stock airbox would see a healthy gain in power.

nicko6tc: this is a TMIC with an FMIC heat exchanger, therefore you lose just alittle more than zero boost. i know intercoolers don't add hp, but they let you take your boost levels higher, safer to make more power. it is a building block if you will.

now, we can spit numbers back and forth all night, but i have a paper i am writing, and if you don't want this TRD intercooler, than you don't have to help.

yes, even i am skeptical that i will be able to make TRD make an intercooler, but it is better than just doing nothing. i want this part for my tC and i am going to devote some time and efford into showing them that there is a market for it.

my tC is my first boosted car, and thinking about it, supercharging was a smart choice because they are less complicated and safer tan turbochargers, but yea, they make less power and are slower. but i want to continue developing this car and bring its power as close to 300 whp as i can before gas prices make this hobby completely uneconomical.

so either help me out if you are interested, or stop critisizing something i am trying to do for the good of the supercharged tC members of the scion community as well as myself.

I am not trying to ruin anything you are doing. but you cant ask for peoples help without throwing the entire story out there.
You cant deny the cost factor. It is there and is the single number one thing that will stop people from buying.
So either help people out and give them the entire story or stop criticising me trying to DISCUSS what the costs will be.

And like someone else said, Watermeth is a viable solution if you want to help the community out so bad. Much cheaper and proven to work efficiently. 300WHP has been broken without a FMIC/TMIC.

something like this
http://a682.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/53/l_0f9132d38959836fdd21ce7e460d4fc1.jpg

I love how people come up with "random" prices that stuff will cost. Even though it is TRD if they make a intercooler I don't see them charging over a third of the price for the supercharger. That would be a horrible sales move. Plus for those of us that have h/e/i plus a stand alone engine management we won't have to spend the extra money on that . The TRD reflash runs really rich anyway so who knows... the intercooler could work with the reflash they have now.... No need in "flaming" this idea until you see what happens
That's my .2 cents

Prices are deffinetly random guesses. But not without research. Go look for yourself.
See how much IC cost with piping. You wont find them for less than $800 (unless on ebay).
And the rest of the stuff is not random. piggy back, pulley, bpv, header,exhuast. Those are real prices.

So what do you THINK it will cost?

And yes it will be a horrible sales move, and thats probably the reason this hasnt happened in the two years all of these reliable sources have been claiming it will happen.

Let's be positive about this peeps.
we need a Intercooler kit.
I don't care about the pricing i would pay it !

Its hard to be positive. This has been talked about for years!!!
And trust me I would love to have it. But being on my third supercharger, unless they can keep the car under warranty, its a HUGE gamble. And the price is hard to get past. I have dropped alot on my car, so I am no cheap skate. But for the price, and the outcome, its just not feasible.

Stay positive !
no part of TRD was ever cheap ! and will be.
but we got at least hope they will make on.
if it performs like they say. i don't care the price i would pay it.

Preface: I'm not particularly "optimistic" because I care either way. I don't plan on supercharging the tC.

I think the intercooler has a fair chance of coming out. The 2AZ is in several of Toyota's best selling cars and some of them are youth oriented so there should be a market for superchargers and their corresponding mods. Also, TRD tends to drag its heels for releasing stuff. Remember when the supercharger first came out? It was preceded by THREE complete turbocharger kits (two of which are unavailable now but still, R&D started and stopped within the time it took TRD to release the supercharger.)

It would be nice, however, if TRD was behind the community's effort to make extreme builds.

So um... thought I'd share these from this weekend if you guys didn't see my other thread:

http://downloads.allankintz.com/IMG_2483.jpg

http://downloads.allankintz.com/IMG_2484.jpg

The TRD intercooler is alive and well on Dan Gardner's Koni Challenge tC.

More pics/info here: http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=228838

^^ that's cool but Do you know why TRD didn't release this with the TRD supercharger from the start and why haven't they put it on on the market yet? People knew about the TRD intercooler since 05.

That I could NOT tell you. I talked to the other driver, Craig Stanton, and he said this was essentially still a prototype but it sounded like he was encouraging them to actually produce it and showing that there is a demand for it.

Of course, they can't really tell TRD to make it... and obviously it has been a while in the making. So who knows what will actually come of it, if anything.

^^Ok Cool.

I have firm confirmation that TRD will be releasing this as a racing part with no warranty VERY soon. You came out to the race this weekend ACK154? What day where you there? I was in the BGB stand most of Friday, and the second half of Sat. During the race, I was in the pits with the crew.

I was there all weekend and was in the BGB paddock checking out the tC on Saturday afternoon before the race (hence the pics). They actually let me sit in it too (pics in the link above in my other thread). That's a big deal for me... hehe. I was talking to Craig for just a little bit as well. Cool guy.

I was there all weekend and was in the BGB paddock checking out the tC on Saturday afternoon before the race (hence the pics). They actually let me sit in it too (pics in the link above in my other thread). That's a big deal for me... hehe. I was talking to Craig for just a little bit as well. Cool guy.

Yeah Craig is very cool, and one hell of a driver with a track record to prove it.

In this pic: the guy in the background with the blue shirt is me:

http://downloads.allankintz.com/IMG_2482.jpg

idea on price of the IC?

I have firm confirmation that TRD will be releasing this as a racing part with no warranty VERY soon. You came out to the race this weekend ACK154? What day where you there? I was in the BGB stand most of Friday, and the second half of Sat. During the race, I was in the pits with the crew.

That is very cool...but without a warranty forget it... There are enough problem with s/c without adding this to mix....Also, I wonder the price. I bet this going to cost like over 2k.

In this pic: the guy in the background with the blue shirt is me:

http://downloads.allankintz.com/IMG_2482.jpg
Ha... go figure.

I have firm confirmation that TRD will be releasing this as a racing part with no warranty VERY soon. You came out to the race this weekend ACK154? What day where you there? I was in the BGB stand most of Friday, and the second half of Sat. During the race, I was in the pits with the crew.

That is very cool...but without a warranty forget it... There are enough problem with s/c without adding this to mix....Also, I wonder the price. I bet this going to cost like over 2k.

The S/C on this car has over 3K RPMS of boosted abuse on it. It was installed by TRD, and tuned with an NST 9.5 PSI pulley on our AEM EMS. No issues to the S/C at all. I can assure you that if any S/C will fail, it should have been this one, and nobody on the street gets as much abuse on their S/C as this one does. This is a shelf TRD S/C. Nothing more. No special components or anything.

sounds good! i am waiting for this to trd intercooler to finally be released.

Hey Paul why dont you make one up maybe a Subaru one could be made to fit.

I have firm confirmation that TRD will be releasing this as a racing part with no warranty VERY soon. You came out to the race this weekend ACK154? What day where you there? I was in the BGB stand most of Friday, and the second half of Sat. During the race, I was in the pits with the crew.

That is very cool...but without a warranty forget it... There are enough problem with s/c without adding this to mix....Also, I wonder the price. I bet this going to cost like over 2k.

The S/C on this car has over 3K RPMS of boosted abuse on it. It was installed by TRD, and tuned with an NST 9.5 PSI pulley on our AEM EMS. No issues to the S/C at all. I can assure you that if any S/C will fail, it should have been this one, and nobody on the street gets as much abuse on their S/C as this one does. This is a shelf TRD S/C. Nothing more. No special components or anything.


You are right, but this set up is too rich for my blood. The intercooler is great and I would love to have it. but buying EMS plus intercooler, and then tuning the total cost is going to be 4k-5k. If not even more. depending on the price of intercooler. Also, How much power is this car putting out.

I have firm confirmation that TRD will be releasing this as a racing part with no warranty VERY soon. You came out to the race this weekend ACK154? What day where you there? I was in the BGB stand most of Friday, and the second half of Sat. During the race, I was in the pits with the crew.

That is very cool...but without a warranty forget it... There are enough problem with s/c without adding this to mix....Also, I wonder the price. I bet this going to cost like over 2k.

The S/C on this car has over 3K RPMS of boosted abuse on it. It was installed by TRD, and tuned with an NST 9.5 PSI pulley on our AEM EMS. No issues to the S/C at all. I can assure you that if any S/C will fail, it should have been this one, and nobody on the street gets as much abuse on their S/C as this one does. This is a shelf TRD S/C. Nothing more. No special components or anything.


You are right, but this set up is too rich for my blood. The intercooler is great and I would love to have it. but buying EMS plus intercooler, and then tuning the total cost is going to be 4k-5k. If not even more. depending on the price of intercooler. Also, How much power is this car putting out.

I am not at liberty to discuss power that it makes, but more than 99% of the S/C tCs on here.

!! bout god damn time for this god damn miracle!

Dezod,

in your opinion, how much power can you get with 9.5 pulley and ems?

but that sucks you can say anything....I well the record is 311whp without the IC....So lets hope it makes atleast that much power...

the 311 was meth injected and had a ton of other supporting mods, only putting the intercooler you shouldnt expect as much.

Well...some close....remember that this car is tunes ems, which allows for better tuning and accessing more power...Well, I hope it can get atleast 250-275HP...311whp i guess is pushing it.

LOL
311 was with methanol.
yes do not expect that much gains with the intercooler.
I gues if you get 10- 15 HP would be the most out with that top mount intercooler.

I wouldn't even expect that much out the TMIC.

even then that'd be quite an accomplishment

S/C without the crappy BPV 200 hp
TMIC +15

215 with a decent tune and pulley 250 territory, which is pretty satisfactory IMO

I wonldn't shell out another 2-3k for 10-15whp....that is a waste of cash. Everyone knows the IC is not going be cheap. I rather take that money and dump into other supporting mods or just into another part of the car.

2-3K for an intercooler ? you guys think the Intercooler wil be more $$ then the supercharger itself ?
AMEN!
let's be serious peeps.

TRD parts equal tons of cash....Your paying for the Toyota name....but I dont think its going to less than 2k. 3k is pushing it.

LOL i think that too.
3K would be like a JESUS Intercooler !

honestly, dont complain so much about its price tag until its put out there, lol

People dont understand that an Intercooler does not egual horsepower. Its not like you bolt the thing on and Mgically have instant horsepower like with an exhuast or something.
An intercooler allows for a more generous tune due to lower intake temperatures. It allows you to run more boost because of lower intake temeratures. IT DOES NOT PUT MORE AIR IN thE ENGINE!!!

A typical intercooler runs around $1200ish dollars.
Install, Maybe $300
AEM/GREDDY/UNICHIP with harness $600
Dyno and TUNE: $500
Plus supporting mods.

Yup this is going to cost you over $2000 and you will completely loose your warranty on engine related issues. (if you can have an upgraded BPV, what do you think a non warrantied intercooler is going to do for your warranty?)

air to water intercoolers are sick very efficient

says a prayer tonight.. Please come out soon! please come out soon!

I saw this car in Ohio at Exposed a few weeks ago.I also had a chance to talk with Gardners.he also said that it should be out soon.I'm sure if its a kit a new radiator will come with it.I noticed additional cooling line ran to the passenger side of the radiator itself.Thats going to jack up the price too.I sure it will need a another reflash and a few other things.One thing for sure it wont be cheap.

People dont understand that an Intercooler does not egual horsepower. Its not like you bolt the thing on and Mgically have instant horsepower like with an exhuast or something.
An intercooler allows for a more generous tune due to lower intake temperatures. It allows you to run more boost because of lower intake temeratures. IT DOES NOT PUT MORE AIR IN thE ENGINE!!!


I was laughing because i was thinking the same thing. People are looking at it as a hp mod which in reality its a mod that allows you to "make" horsepower.

Well I think the thing is that you won't see a set HP increase from it and can't always measure it exactly, but you should see an increase. So in a sense it can be like bolting on HP. Of course understanding how it's actually achieving that increase is a whole other thing...

^ with a supercharger running the same pulley you will see a decrease because you will loose about 2lb's of boost with an IC setup. That is why people who insist on trying to make an IC work well with a s/c they are putting 12lb pulley's or higher on. I rather see someone buy a 10.5 or 11lb pulley and not run an IC ...and call it a day. The TRD s/c is not a super high performance unit.

Well I think the thing is that you won't see a set HP increase from it and can't always measure it exactly, but you should see an increase. So in a sense it can be like bolting on HP. Of course understanding how it's actually achieving that increase is a whole other thing...

Not really. If you take say my car for instance, just the supercharger, NOTHING else, no exhuast, no intake, no header, nothing, but a Supercharger. I dynoed at 191HP with this setup.
If I take my setup and simply add this intercooler, I WILL HAVE LESS POWER!!! It might not loose the 1-2 PSI that a FMIC does, but there HAS to be a loss just due to the added volume. So it isnt bolting on HP, its loosing HP.
But this can be negated by adding a more aggresive tune and more boost, which is the entire point of an intercooler on any setup. BUT THAT COSTS ALOT MORE MONEY.


Take the ZPI stage 0 for instance. It was LOW boost no intercooler. Adding the intercooler isnt what gave the stage 1 more power than the stage 0, it was adding the intercooler which allowed you to up the boost so you could safely hit those 300whp numbers.
It is no different with the supercharger, simply adding this TRD part will not be beneficial without a tunning device, a tune, more boost, a BPV that can handle the more boost, possibly larger injectors, a header to get it through and an exhuast to compliment it all.
We are talking thousands of dollars here!!!!

i would like a TRD intercooler to my setup..
i would put my car up to "test" for trd
haha

Im suprised someone didnt copy the trd ic - it was in a good spot and seemed worth it. I am just wondering if someone even tried to get gains out of one ...just to say if its worth it or not. It surely sounds like a better idea then the front mount ic

How is it in a better spot than a FMIC? It's sitting directly ontop of the engine (hottest spot in the engine bay) and has no direct path of air to flow onto it to cool it down.

How is it in a better spot than a FMIC? It's sitting directly ontop of the engine (hottest spot in the engine bay) and has no direct path of air to flow onto it to cool it down.

Exactly!!

TMIC have shown major issues. Look at the STIs. STI owners switch them out for FMIC when they go balls to the walls with the STI!!!

The heat soak off the top of the motor is INSANE!!! The only positive to it is the shorter piping!!!

Example:

Making insane power:
http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/7/web/2335000-2335999/2335839_152_full.jpg


Not making insane power


http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/9/web/2925000-2925999/2925111_8.jpg

If anything, a top mount IC would LOSE power compared to not having an IC at all, under harsh conditions. Especially since any air that is getting to an already hot IC, is traveling past the snail and past the exhaust.

Wow! That is a great looking intercooler. Finally TRD with some under hood bling. Wonder whaat kind of performance gains it gives.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/tour4fun/SEMA/DSCN6043.jpg

since it was already done i was just wondering on the results ...good or bad ... I know the pic was taken to hype trd ..because there was not one other word about the ic

how is subarus tmic not efficient ? my friend has one and his intake temps are premo. the narly hood scoop brings in plenty of air . and they come with a spray bar on the ic to cool it down even more . subaru ic are fine

Compared to a FMIC, it's pathetic.

crap will this thread ever die...........lol

lol . ^^ . im sure they made it like that for a reason there is plus and negatives to all ic . tmic on the subaru was well planned out . it gets so much air flow with a water meth spray bar on it . intake temps wont get much better

how is subarus tmic not efficient ? my friend has one and his intake temps are premo. the narly hood scoop brings in plenty of air . and they come with a spray bar on the ic to cool it down even more . subaru ic are fine

Did you not see the pictures I posted? Now go to Cardomain (where I got the pictures from)

And look at EVERYDSINGLE STI that is making good power numebrs. THEY ALL HAVE FMIC.



As I was looking for pics, I even questioned if the STI ever had a TMIC because all the cars on there have gotten rid of their TMIC and gone FMIC.

If the TMIC is so much better than a FMIC, why did these people waste so much money putting a FMIC on?

it brought back to life cause of that other track tC was revealed to be using an "updated" (?) version of the trd intercooler not that long ago and dezod and the track tC people were pressuring trd to release it.

or someit like that/

they all have ups and downs . yeah maybe if your going for INSANE power . most ppl replace there stock ic because they can only hold so much boost and support certain amounts of power. there is not one fd3s that runs the stock ic anymore . why?. it blows if you go over 14 psi . maybe they maxed out the limits and HAD to change to fmic

does the sti loose as much psi from a FMIC as the tC supercharger does from a FMIC?
is the tC w/supercharger as easy/difficult to upgrade or as ready/allowing for upgrading as the STI?

Dont know.

Does a tC get the same cooling factors from a TMIC as a STI does with a TMIC?

We dont knwo that either. So its all specualtion. Personal opinion of how it will work!!!

i agree that theres not enough hard fact to say what specific stance is better. i think i've noticed only a very few people on here that had done FMIC on the supercharger
and they lost a lot of boost and i dont even remember specifics on the others.
i also am of the opinion that if you honestly want that much from the tC (especially to compare it to an sti), don't even glance at the supercharger.

most people who are gonna want that are just gonna whine and _____ about the amount of work needed to get to that point compared to "slapping on a turbo kit"

anyone think of making a baby v mount ic for the sc . lol

Nicko6tc -

You are not comparing apples to apples. The STI you show is a TMIC A2A swapped for a larger FMIC A2A. No doubt there was an improvement in cooling..which allowed for more boost, even as a bit more boost was lost in the piping...they are somewhat correlated, but bigger IC does not directly equal More Power. It's what you can do with it.

But now let's look at the TRD proto.
The TRD prototype is W2A. The fact that it is top mount has little bearing and cannot be compared with a A2A TMIC setup

Not much wrong with a tmic in the right application. In fact, you could look into laminova intercoolers...$$$, and mostly oem applications where they are placed DIRECTLY on the intake manifold...with max cooling and 0 pressure loss.


A2W > A2A (most of the time)

benefits:
- less piping = less boost loss
- water is a more efficient heat exchanger by a factor of 14 to 1. aside from the thermal efficiency, this allows you to really reduce the size.
- A2A does nothing for you when you are sitting in traffic..stop and go is your enemy with A2A
- maximum efficiency of an A2W can actually exceed 100%...this is not possible with A2A
- You can add ice at the track for better cooling

However, it is not a panacea:
- More parts (pumps, reservoirs, heat exchanger) means more possible points of failure
- more expensive
- more weight for the parts and coolant
- the heat exchange from water does have a point of diminishing returns...an engine at full tilt continuous would see more benefit from an A2A...most would say strict street use should go with A2A. Dragsters go with A2W.



Incidentally, that trd a2w unit pictured should see no more than .5 psi loss.

I have firm confirmation that TRD will be releasing this as a racing part with no warranty VERY soon.

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That all looks pretty cool. I wonder... does anyone know of a setup that will cram more cold air in a non turbo N/A setup tC than your standard CAI's?

but "cram air in" = forced induction...

but "cram air in" = forced induction...
:doh:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
that is so so true

Okay smarta$$.... so it was late when I posted and maybe "cram" is better suited to FI.... so sue me. lol. You know what I meant. So play nice or I'll make an iceball in my freezer and lob it in your general direction :D .... seriously though.... anyone have any ideas on how to pull colder air in to a N/A setup besides your standard CAI ?

http://www.speedmaxperformance.com/ go under products click on the ice tube

CRAracer...
Gracias.... I have actually seen that site... but couldnt get a response back from the dumb bunnies there to answer my question on it. It almost reads on their site like the ice tube is to be used in conjunction w/ one of their intercoolers or something.

hey im a moderator, some would say i dont have to be nice, LMAO. j/k

but yea, i guess if your looking to just drop intake temps further then a cool air intake youd have to figure some refrigerant apparatus or somethin like linked above.
i think theres been a couple threads in the drivetrain and power tC section

I hear that smarty pants.... lol... I just emailed a company to see about chillin' an air charge even more than a CAI for a N/A setup. .... oh and is that "clown" thing a play off of Mr. Stephen King? lol

watch it for a while and see for yourself, hah

You have to run their CO2 spray kit in order for it to work.

Right.. I caught that CRAracer... Those damn dorks over there at speedmax... I dont see how you could make that a length of the intake itself... I'm wondering if it somehow fits over? a length of the existing CAI? Unless someone has one of these installed or I actually hear back from those retards... I've got no damn idea.... their fuel chillers look pretty cool... and from oldschool... I know that actually makes a difference in performance.