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Old Nov 5, 2005 | 04:10 AM
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thats what I said too, it looks as if the whole kiminari kit was put on too.

all the better, cause the kiminari kit is the greatness and if I needed to put a new hood on, the kiminari is an AWESOME replacement
Old Nov 5, 2005 | 05:11 AM
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hehe didn't see your edit.

I agree, the kiminari hood is the best looking one out there. Will the reverse cowl on the kiminari give any functional benefit with the sc in there? Or is it mainly a vent to allow heat to escape?
Old Nov 5, 2005 | 06:54 AM
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http://www.autoblog.com/entry/1234000017066697

Just saw that link on general tc forum. It has some more outside pictures of the car, including 2 showing intercooler replacing the lower grill? Is that component in the lower portion the radiator for the intercooler? Looks hot, but would take away from the sleeper look somewhat. Maybe not if painted, though.

Oh, and bye-bye factory fogs
Old Nov 5, 2005 | 07:44 AM
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I just got back from SEMA, and I was going to post the pics but i guess somebody did.

I took a lot of pics of the TRD cooler.
Old Nov 5, 2005 | 11:17 AM
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well why dont you post your pics too?
Old Nov 5, 2005 | 07:18 PM
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yeah man post up the pics, i deff wanna see them. the supercharger is looking better and better
Old Nov 5, 2005 | 08:06 PM
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My only gripe with it is that all the fluid and extra parts are going to add weight over an FMIC however they might not have had a way to get sufficient piping or airflow with an FMIC system. The good news is you can use products like red-line waterwetter to make this type of intercooler even more effective. Hopefully they'll have an extra gauge so you can monitor charge temps.
I'm pretty sure they used the reverse cowl hood as a heat-extractor since now, air has to pass through both the front heat-exchanger and the radiator making it a bit hotter than before.

They are definitly going to have to get creative to fit a strut-tower brace in there. Perhaps that particular hood has just enough clearence to fit one that goes over the intercooler setup.

I defintily wonder what type of boost this thing can take. Swapping in a smaller supercharger pulley, a larger crank pulley, or both will spin that S/C faster. Shortening the gap on the spark plugs will prevent blowout. The intercooler should prevent detonation (might not be a bad idea to get spark plugs that are one step colder). With a good header, high flow cats, a high flow rear exhaust, and possibly a wider air intake/throttlebody, you might make some serious power over just a stock supercharged tC.
Old Nov 6, 2005 | 05:45 AM
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I like Air to Water. Its much better, less showy. I guess some of you like getting pulled over with a huge front mount showing through your lower grile.

I'm too old and too black to be pulled over for nonsense that like.

The reason most people don't do it is because of additional cost.

What you gain from A to W is shorter pipe runs, meaning NO PRESSURE drop. You always get pressure drop with front mounts, nothing you can do about it.

About spraying a front mount -

You wanna hit your intecooler with Co2 in traffic???

The beauty of the A to W is even in traffic your inlet temps never go over 100 degrees if even that high.

Its just better, better, better, better.

Go get front mount if you want, this works better. Under all conditiions.

Cars with limited frontal area should use Air to Water whenever possible. Your not going to get a good sized cooler under the front bumper without cutting or using an aftermarket front bumper.

Most smaller units are good up to 300-350cfm and that's well within range of this supercharger.

With supporting mods, I'm sure you can double the tC's flywheel output at the wheels.
Old Nov 6, 2005 | 05:57 AM
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The problem with this A-W-A intercooler is the first A. The front munted water cooler is basically a front mount intercooler. Looks the same, smells the same.. So there's really no hiding F/I.

Of course, the shorter piping and water's heat capacity are VASTLY better as a cooler unit than air and long piping.
Old Nov 6, 2005 | 06:02 AM
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bump for the AIDS
Old Nov 6, 2005 | 06:56 AM
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just curious but how would this work when the outside temp is soo hot like in the summer with over 100 F weather. Sorry, noob question.
Old Nov 6, 2005 | 01:37 PM
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it still has airflow going through it. at speed, air is/feels cooler. it's still gonna be cooler air than the super hot air after having been compressed.
Old Nov 6, 2005 | 05:33 PM
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an also air at 100 degrees is still a lot cooler that you engine.
Old Nov 6, 2005 | 11:04 PM
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I hope to god that they sell this TMIC at some point. I am going to SC mine because the tC ebgine was just not designed to handle very much boost. It has a crapy gear box as well(which I would like to have fixed). But it would be nice to put a few extra performance mods to increase the power coming from the SC.

p.s. Why is their SC polished but they do not sell it that way?
Old Nov 6, 2005 | 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bubblemyster
just curious but how would this work when the outside temp is soo hot like in the summer with over 100 F weather. Sorry, noob question.
100F is relatively cold. Unless it's about 145+ outside, you're gonna see value with the intercooler.
Old Nov 7, 2005 | 12:40 AM
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Even if it is 150 degerees outside you are still going to see a benefit. The temp increase made by the SC is always going to be about the same for a given set of conditions(boost, compressor RPM, etc.). If you have 70 degree intake air and temp rise of 100 degrees across the SC, you end up with 170 charge temp. If you start with 150 degrees you will end up with 250 degrees charge temp. If the outside temp is hotter, the charge temp will definitely go up, but you will still see a gain with intercooler. You will, however never be able to get the charge temp lower than the ambient air temp relying on the air for removing the heat. Of course if you spray nitros oxide or carbon dioxide on an air to air or put ice water in the cooling system it is another story. If you put ice water in one of these you can get charge temp to be less than ambient air temp for a bit.
Old Nov 7, 2005 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by chuck47
Even if it is 150 degerees outside you are still going to see a benefit. The temp increase made by the SC is always going to be about the same for a given set of conditions(boost, compressor RPM, etc.). If you have 70 degree intake air and temp rise of 100 degrees across the SC, you end up with 170 charge temp. If you start with 150 degrees you will end up with 250 degrees charge temp. If the outside temp is hotter, the charge temp will definitely go up, but you will still see a gain with intercooler. You will, however never be able to get the charge temp lower than the ambient air temp relying on the air for removing the heat. Of course if you spray nitros oxide or carbon dioxide on an air to air or put ice water in the cooling system it is another story. If you put ice water in one of these you can get charge temp to be less than ambient air temp for a bit.
Ice water in these is a pretty common track trick but it kinda requires draining or syphoning some water out to add it and looking at where the fill cap is on this system, it doesn't look like that'll be an easy chore. It works even better if you can turn the intercooler pump/fans on while in the staging lanes. (kinda like people make a manual switch for the radiator fan). Also, using straight water with waterwetter will help as well but it's no good for the winter. I'd stick some bags of ice right on that shiny conductive intercooler cover just to cool it down as well.

Methonal injection or one of those kits that sprays the front mount would be another way to make it more efficient. Hopefully they'll go all out and make the internal heat exchanger out of copper but even a good high flowing aluminum setup would be nice. It better not impose any restrictions or blockoff any runners though.
Old Nov 7, 2005 | 09:13 PM
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Interesting. Gonna be following this thread closely.
Old Dec 14, 2005 | 08:08 PM
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Pics with the hood..
doesnt really look larger.. just "sporty-er" hopefully the stock hood will sit over that intercooler..
sign me up... was ... that close topaying someone to fabricate some really bent piping to get from the SC to a front mount intercooler.. but hated having to move battery and air intake..

http://www.autoblog.com/entry/1234000017066697/
Old Dec 14, 2005 | 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Phixeus
hearders dont void your warranty. they void your emisions compiance.
im not quite buying that. an upgraded header is removing a cat and changing things .....hence the cel issue.



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