All I can say is with the +300whp the tC puts out, stock brakes and H&R springs just weren't cutting it. I deciding to do some modding with all the small things (racing seats included--Corbeau). The biggest thing is the coilovers. We're selling them for $1035 right now on our site: http://www.dezod.com/pd_hr_coilover_kittc.cfm.

"It's ride height adjustable only but a dialed in damper setting for occasional track use. Here's a blog from the site: Engineered for street and occasional track use, H&R Coil-Overs feature a fully-threaded shock body (not an imitation sleeve-over) that allows you to precisely dial in height adjustment to achieve optimum weight transfer, or simply get the aggressive look you've been looking for. Featuring H&R's exclusive dynamic damper technology, each shock is engineered to work in harmony with a progressive-rate spring, together creating a finely-tuned suspension system." - HRsprings.com

I'll have pics of that sometime this week when the kit arrives. Does anyone else ride on these yet?

Also, I purchased the Progress rear sway bar to accompany the system and help keep it a little better planted on some more demanding roads/tracks. It should help keep the back end much tighter now. Pics to follow on that as well.

As for the brakes... Brembo all the way! I went with OEM sized Brembos with cross-drill. I honestly prefer the look over slotted but either are still nice. The rotors are plated for corrosion as well. Here's a blurb from Brembo:

"The Brembo Sport discs are premium OEM replacement units that meet or exceed all vehicle manufacturers’ specifications and tolerances. They are fully compatible with stock calipers wheels and other chassis components, easily mounting onto the vehicle. The brake discs are built in high carbon cast iron and they are available either drilled or slotted. The brake discs are then plated for corrosion resistance and for a bold, aggressive appearance.

Most sport disc applications are ABE approved, a TÜV certification granted by the German Ministry of Transport. Brembo has obtained this certification due to the wholly-owned and operated integrated foundry and production process that is implemented worldwide. Sport pads come with R90 approval according to the EU requirements." - Brembo.com

Here's pics of what the brakes actually look like for the tC:
FRONT ROTOR---
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_239_full.jpg
REAR ROTOR---
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_240_full.jpg

I'll more pics over the next week or two as it all comes in and gets installed. Also purchased some new Enkei 18x7.5, 45mm offset wheels and some new tires to go with it. Should be fun in addition to the massive audio project I've been workin on (20 speakers lol).

Let me know if you guys have any questions, comments, or concerns. I'd be glad to help.


BIIIIG UPDATE!!! 4-3-2006!!!
Ok guys, thanks for being patient. The ride is just unbelievable. It's almost scary how hard you have to push it to actually brake the limits of your car. At that point, you better be a good driver because you'll be pushing it pretty fast.

I've tooled on the suspension around various setups. I left the height the same since install, because it was the height I was looking for. I took the car on the highway, and it rode great, even over dips. I took the car on a some windy SMOOTH roads and it was planted and pretty hard to find the limits. I then took it over bumpy roads, and at higher speeds. The car is planted to the ground. It eats up bumps and stays sure footed over pretty much any road surface. The daily driving aspect is great, feels about the same as the Evo 9 in terms of harshness. But man does the car respond. Steering response is better, I have the looks I'm looking for, the ride quality is excellent, and I feel like I'm driving a safer car. Definately one of the best mod's I've done on the car.

Alas, the pictures...

In this pic, the front shock/spring is on top, the rear on the bottom.
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_241_full.jpg

Next pic is the front coilover installed. Note the helper spring that acts as a dead spring. This is to make sure the car is always on the ground, even under HARD corners or a big dip/bump. Also note the new Brembo cross-drilled rotors. We're using the drilled plated rotors front and rear. Expect numbers for the tC application on our website soon. We're currently working with Brembo on that matter.
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_242_full.jpg

Next pic, same as the last, brakes and all, but the rear rotor...
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_243_full.jpg

And FINALLY.... The pics of the car on the ground. New pics will be up tomorrow of the car actually outside where I can get some better angles. For now, here's one hell of a teaser...
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_244_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_245_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_246_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_247_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_248_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_249_full.jpg

Quick shot of the new motor layout...
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_250_full.jpg


NOTE: USE THE NUTS THAT COME WITH THIS COILOVER KIT. It is somewhat tricky because the nuts are larger than the OEM nuts. You will need a pretty large socket set to successfully tighten the strut rod to the upper mount. Using the stock nuts on the H&R coilovers can and will strip the threads, causing you to severely damage your shock. I know this may seem obvious, but due to the ease of using OEM nuts that most have the socket for, one may be tempted to do so. Please use the supplied nuts, AND the supplied coilover lubricant to lubricate the threads before adjusting. I may also reccommend to purge the struts prior to install. Do this by taking the springs off and slowling pushing the strut rod down into the shock body. Do this about 3-4 times. It will help prep the shock and remove any air bubbles that may have developed within the shock.

Any questions please ask here, and happy ordering. You will not find a better suspension for the money.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Dude, how much is the brembo setup running? I was gonna get wilwood, but if it's not TOO steep, I'll go with Brembo.

Also, How does the tC ride with the H&R coilovers?

Anybody got'em yet? Pls let me know

Brembo sport rotors are as follows:

Front - $255 drilled or slotted, your choice.
http://www.dezod.com/pd_brembo_sport_front_rotorstc.cfm

Rear - $205 drilled or slotted, your choice.
http://www.dezod.com/pd_brembo_sport_front_rotorstc_05.cfm

I'll know within a few weeks how the coilovers ride. I've been trying to get the car back together for a photo shoot and Hot Import Nights.

joe

have u heard anything bad about powerslot plus ? its oversized rotors but it comes with brackets to maintain your stock calipers

There's nothing really wrong with powerslot plus. Don't expectany significant gains and braking power. It does look better for larger wheels, which is why most people get those, but it doesn't hurt your performance either. The added brake torque you get with that larger rotor is somewhat balanced out by the larger amount of rotating mass. Because you're still using a stock caliper you don't feel much of a difference. It does look better though, and theoretically it should take longer to heat up because of the larger amount of mass. So repeated abuse will favor a larger rotor. Hope that helps.

More info on the H&R's please? It sounds like they are hight adjustable only, I'm assuming comperable to the tien basics?

There's nothing really wrong with powerslot plus. Don't expectany significant gains and braking power. It does look better for larger wheels, which is why most people get those, but it doesn't hurt your performance either. The added brake torque you get with that larger rotor is somewhat balanced out by the larger amount of rotating mass. Because you're still using a stock caliper you don't feel much of a difference. It does look better though, and theoretically it should take longer to heat up because of the larger amount of mass. So repeated abuse will favor a larger rotor. Hope that helps.

thanks :clap:

i was debating to get that soon because i want to improve the car while trying to maintain most of the stock parts. but for the price of the kit for all four, still best bang for the buck for me vs price of front kits only.

The H&Rs on paper are comparable to Tein basics. I can tell you right now that they are of higher quality and will give you a MUCH better ride than the Tein basics. Basically, if the features are the same but one is much more than the other, you usually get abetter product. I know there's exceptions out there but this coilover system is a very high quality system. Springs are progressive rate so they ride extremely well while still offering better handling. The system is ISO9001 certified and meets Germany's TUV standards. Basically, these kits hold up for a LONG time, and fit the right way.

There's nothing really wrong with powerslot plus. Don't expectany significant gains and braking power. It does look better for larger wheels, which is why most people get those, but it doesn't hurt your performance either. The added brake torque you get with that larger rotor is somewhat balanced out by the larger amount of rotating mass. Because you're still using a stock caliper you don't feel much of a difference. It does look better though, and theoretically it should take longer to heat up because of the larger amount of mass. So repeated abuse will favor a larger rotor. Hope that helps.

thanks :clap:

i was debating to get that soon because i want to improve the car while trying to maintain most of the stock parts. but for the price of the kit for all four, still best bang for the buck for me vs price of front kits only.

I put a set of the powerslot plus, however with the stock brakelines its ok, but when i put the ss breaklines and better fluid it was more responsive, again nothing like a true BBK, but it looks hot, and works very well, im running 19's so i was looking for something to help with that, so far im very satisfied........

peep this:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a86/kwb977/IMG_15271.jpg

oh yeah BUMP for the H&R.........very very high end product, and way better then tein.

Thank you sir! Yes the big brake imposter kits are actually not that bad and I do like the looks of them. I just want the best bang for the buck for my car, and the Brembos are always a reliable and good performing rotor. The pads and tires make the largest difference on the car anyway. Which is why I boguht the Axxis ultimets and some new rubbers.

I actually have the exact set up you are selling (brembo) on my 2004 accord, and they make it stop so well its almost sad; and remeber the accord is a heavier car then the Tc, and I have 19's on that too..........that brembo kit is worth every penny.

But you are right, invest in some good pads..........

as for the imposter kit, you almost have to upgrade the pads, and lines or it won't even be worth it........

as for H&R I belive they are made by eibach.......i may be wrong. But H&R has been around for years,and are a well respected name in the european tuner market......so that is good to see they are making them for the Tc.

Yes on all of my cars I've either done Eibach or H&R. I tried Hayame once and would never go back. German suspensions are just killer. Amazing ride quality, and the great handling to go with it. Plus they all look good, and they all fit perfect. What more could you ask for? Oh yeah, they last for a very long time :)

I'll write up reviews and post a good chunk of pics of the install.

Eibach all the way.........the accord has sportlines, and i got Htech for the Tc, but should have gotten the Eibachs instead.........oh well.

naw bro...eibachs settle way to much in the rears. tein is fine four our car

strange, i have heard Tein's sag too much in the rear..........
Im happy with my Htechs......

im happy with my h-techs too..however they are going lower in the front...like more than they are supposed to

Why did you go with H&R over Progress for the coils?

Availability. I need this in time for a big show and another event I'm hush hush about until it happens. Both are excellent companies and I prefer them over most others.

your secret is safe here LOL.....
My Htech has a rake, i wish the right side would settle better, it sort of leans to the drivers side....
but I like the Htech......
If i keep my Tc Im going coilovers

Those rotors look bad ___ Joe. Wonder where you got them from? ;)

G I wonder?

Just making a quick bump for a short update.

The H&R suspension will be here this coming Tuesday. My new brake pads, and the rotors are obviously here. Progress sway bar is in transit.

Everything should be done in 1 week.

Im waiting to see the coilovers, I may be intrested.......love the HTech's but a little adjustability would be nice.
what made you pick the progress swaybar, im in the market and have not made my decision.

Anyone knows of any other springs that will lower the rear more than 2.0" I have s-techs but want it a little lower
on the rear and Im broke.

If anyone knows of any set out there let me know.

thier is nothing other then coilovers that will drop you lower, unless you cut your springs, which is not advisable........no matter how its done.

Joe, im waiting for an update on this because im very intrested in getting a set of the H&R coilovers from you

I will post pictures here for you tomorrow.

Just know that the car's handling is AMAZING. They fit without any modifications, look great, and even come with a liquid lubricant for the threads to keep them in top condition. Car sits nice in low, with more room left to drop. And the ride quality is excellent.

how do they compare to your H&R sports

what companies offer springs for the tC with a progressive spring rate? Also what drop can you get with the HandR (range please). Also why not go with HandR PCS Coilver? Can you almost eliminate nose dive with the normal coilover or do you need to get the PCS coilover and also for the pcs coilover do you get progressive spring rate?

eibach, h&r, tanabe, progress, and tein...........the last three not 100% sure.

tanabe progress and tein are all linear rate springs. i believe trd springs are progressive too

pics? i have been sitting her all day LOL :tap:

Waiting for those pics before ordering H&R's.

Up in the air for me between those and Tein's
:nails: :nails: :nails:

same here, i have always used Eibach/ H&R and i have Htechs now, they are ok...... but im up in the air as well

Uploading stuff now, expect pics within 5-10 min.

Ok guys, thanks for being patient. The ride is just unbelievable. It's almost scary how hard you have to push it to actually brake the limits of your car. At that point, you better be a good driver because you'll be pushing it pretty fast.

I've tooled on the suspension around various setups. I left the height the same since install, because it was the height I was looking for. I took the car on the highway, and it rode great, even over dips. I took the car on a some windy SMOOTH roads and it was planted and pretty hard to find the limits. I then took it over bumpy roads, and at higher speeds. The car is planted to the ground. It eats up bumps and stays sure footed over pretty much any road surface. The daily driving aspect is great, feels about the same as the Evo 9 in terms of harshness. But man does the car respond. Steering response is better, I have the looks I'm looking for, the ride quality is excellent, and I feel like I'm driving a safer car. Definately one of the best mod's I've done on the car.

Alas, the pictures...

In this pic, the front shock/spring is on top, the rear on the bottom.
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_241_full.jpg

Next pic is the front coilover installed. Note the helper spring that acts as a dead spring. This is to make sure the car is always on the ground, even under HARD corners or a big dip/bump. Also note the new Brembo cross-drilled rotors. We're using the drilled plated rotors front and rear. Expect numbers for the tC application on our website soon. We're currently working with Brembo on that matter.
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_242_full.jpg

Next pic, same as the last, brakes and all, but the rear rotor...
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_243_full.jpg

And FINALLY.... The pics of the car on the ground. New pics will be up tomorrow of the car actually outside where I can get some better angles. For now, here's one hell of a teaser...
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_244_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_245_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_246_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_247_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_248_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_249_full.jpg

Quick shot of the new motor layout...
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_250_full.jpg


NOTE: USE THE NUTS THAT COME WITH THIS COILOVER KIT. It is somewhat tricky because the nuts are larger than the OEM nuts. You will need a pretty large socket set to successfully tighten the strut rod to the upper mount. Using the stock nuts on the H&R coilovers can and will strip the threads, causing you to severely damage your shock. I know this may seem obvious, but due to the ease of using OEM nuts that most have the socket for, one may be tempted to do so. Please use the supplied nuts, AND the supplied coilover lubricant to lubricate the threads before adjusting. I may also reccommend to purge the struts prior to install. Do this by taking the springs off and slowling pushing the strut rod down into the shock body. Do this about 3-4 times. It will help prep the shock and remove any air bubbles that may have developed within the shock.

Any questions please ask here, and happy ordering. You will not find a better suspension for the money.

Also what drop can you get with the HandR (range please). Also why not go with HandR PCS Coilver? Can you almost eliminate nose dive with the normal coilover or do you need to get the PCS coilover and also for the pcs coilover do you get progressive spring rate?

They do not make a PCS coilover for our car, only the standard coilover. Maybe they'll make one sooner or later. My car's nose dive is VERY minimal, thanks to the higher spring rates and more agressive dampening. You need a little give in the system to add some stability. Too stuff and it'll snap you around. H&R uses progressive rate springs on both coilovers.

I may be able to find the PCS for our car. We use the exact same suspension system as the toyoa Avenis. This means, anything made accross seas for that car, will work on our car. All a matter of shopping around. If you're really interested in the PCS coilover, please email us at sales@dezod.com. We can get with H&R and see if we can attain a non-domestic coilover system somehow. Expect to pay for shipping on something like that though.

Ride height is from about .75 to 2.1" I'd say. You can see how low it is with the 18s on there. I have abour a half an inch left to drop in the rear, and about 3/4" up front. Anything lower is just unpractical though.

Hope that helps!

looks good.........just found out tonight what my tax return is going to be.
ill be getting this kit.....
intresting how they used two different colored springs.
the brembos look hot too.......

I would be game for the H&R Coils, as long as if there was a group buy deal. I have been on the site for a while, and its always been strange to me that thre really isnt a GB section. I saw a section in the forum that sell items, and some GB goes on, but there really needs to be a GB section for each different ride. I have been around forums for years and this is the first i have seen that doesnt have this avail for its users.. oh well, maybe itll change.. later..

the price he is offering is less then anywhere i found on the internet so far.....

the price he is offering is less then anywhere i found on the internet so far.....
x2

nice setup, looks good joe!

Thanks guys. With the amount of springs available if we did a group buy we could possibly generate a back order. I know are prices are THE lowest out there on that suspension line. And you can get the springs much sooner because there's no waiting. I can tell you we didn't mark the suspension up that much from our cost, so it's a great deal. Plus, anyone that's dealt with Eibach or H&R before knows that those are one of the best suspensions out there in terms of balance (peformance vs comfort).

These rotors are available here:

http://dezod.com/cat_scion_rotors.cfm

I'm sold. :bow: :bow:

Will order VERY soon

Even if I gotta sell my grandma...........lol

j/k :P

i have H&R coilovers I was the first one to get a set from Les schwab-- but I dont have a turbo that is next month i am still looking to find a good turbo that i dont have to do alot of mods to my engine-- but I want the HP-- the Coilovers nothing but the Best an I like how my car sits-- I have 19's Axis Mod rims-- for sale 2 months old--

i have H&R coilovers I was the first one to get a set from Les schwab-- but I dont have a turbo that is next month i am still looking to find a good turbo that i dont have to do alot of mods to my engine-- but I want the HP-- the Coilovers nothing but the Best an I like how my car sits-- I have 19's Axis Mod rims-- for sale 2 months old--

Let us know about the turbo scenario. We have ya covered.

:tap: :tap: :tap:

I WAS about to buy those 18" Enkei Evo 6 in hyper black, but YOU got'em!!!!

Thanks Joe :tap:

j/k They look GREAT.

You got tha Kaminari kit too???

My ideas i guess were not that original lol

Hey Joe, any major issues w/ ur stage 1 on autos?

Im gettin the coilovers from ya end of this month by the way. GREAT PICS

Thanks man I'm glad you like them. It's not like we'd be competing in the same shows or driving together, so if you like the wheels get them. I love the wheels and I think they work with the car nicely. And yes it is the Kaminari (I think you knew that, but just in case).

We havent tested the S1 on the auto yet, so I'm not too sure. Maybe down the road, but at this time we don't too much planned yet.

Does anyone know if the H&R coilovers will have problems with the Hotchkis front sway like other model coilovers have had?

It's the height of the coiliover setup that makes the difference. The issue wasn't with the tie-rod hitting the coilover itself. It's just that usually people go much lower with a drop on coilovers than springs, so naturally the rubbing issue with the Hotchkis sway bar will exist. H&R coilovers with a 1" drop, will still outhandle a TRD spring setup at the same height. Dampening, and shock/spring design play a large role in handling as well.

Is $255 for the front brembo rotors for scionlife members only because it is being advertised with a $281 price tag on your site. How long are you guys giong to keep it at this price?

They used to be $255 but unfortunately the cost has risen for us. I can still work that deal out for you though. Email me, Joe@Dezod.com if you'd like to order the package. I noticed you're in quincy too, I'm in Salem, NH if you'ld like to feel what the brakes are actually like compared to yours.

whats the highest you can go on these coilovers? stock height?

Joe,

How did the coilovers compare to the H&R Sports in terms of ride comfort? Thanks.

Hey guys sorry it took a while to respond to this...

I can basically get the car to stock height if I wanted to. This suspension is still one of my favorite mods on the tC due to how smooth it is over the bumps and how well of a difference it made in handing.

This coilovers feel much nicer than the H&R sports. The sports were great upgrade from stock and gave the car a better stance and a little more stability. But the real upgrade with their coilovers is absolutely rediculous. The handling is BAR NONE and according to the G-sensor bolted ontom my frame (thanks to Apexi!), I'm pulling over a G now. When I was stock my Apexi g-sensor showed IDENTICAL numbers compared to the magazine specs on the tC, so I know this thing is accurate.

Ride comfort isn't as good as the sports, but I'm also sitting much lower so that doesn't help too much. With a little more ride height I'd say it's definately worth getting over the springs.

I have the H&R Coilovers also and HIGHLY recommend them to anyone who is looking for a QUALITY suspension upgrade. I also have the Kaminari kit and love the combination :D

Can't go wrong with that combo haha