I work in the OC area and see all kind's of masked vehicle's drive by my office window everyday, but this one caught my eye. So I snapped a couple shots. Looks like a extended Xb or maybe its just an illusion. But it is 5 lug so I dont know.
http://i10.tinypic.com/317jzf6.jpg
http://i9.tinypic.com/2z8t4km.jpg

I saw this same vehicle last week in Santa Ana! Where did you see it in OC.



John

good lookin out!

:ponder:

-THE DON

I saw this same vehicle last week in Santa Ana! Where did you see it in OC.



John
Anaheim Area

That is definitely the length of the new xB but not even close on the body design...

oh snap

it's too big for me but that's pretty darn cool

just a mule for chassis , motor and what have you.

^^^ yep

what IS it going to look like? I've heard mostly t2b type things but wondering if anyone could describe it in detail?

Hey--nice catch. That looks like the same mule we have seen pictures of earlier. Your picture is very clear though.

Hey--nice catch. That looks like the same mule we have seen pictures of earlier. Your picture is very clear though.

ditto!

yes 85% t2b YUCK

yes 85% t2b YUCK

hehe - any idea which 85%? I imagine the t2B interior prolly wouldn't make it into production...

Tht's a sexy xB!!

holy crap that's a long wheelbase. Better not lower it too much or you'll high center it.

no the interior will not make it. but the t2b's exterior is very very close to production.

first the t2b lacks the last panel windows on the sides near the back.. that makes it look ___....

Second, the t2b back looks ___ as well due to rounded back end.... that bulges out at the top...

Yet I reserve judgement until I can actually see the car in some real colors and not the ___ color it was demo'd in...

Give me a black, a white, a dark blue, dark red, real silver... but not the hideous original color.

For those in the know, if its based on the t2b, I have a couple of questions.

1) do you know or think it will be bigger then the t2b. I have not seen the t2b next to a xb. Was the concept much bigger then the t2b. does anyone have a picture of them side to side so we can really compare the size difference.

2) the concept had suicide doors on one side and a sliding door on the other. Will both of those exist with this car. What are the odds. I like the idea.


My brother owns an orange SR1 xb. I almost bought one but my current toyota was running too clean at the time and still is at 115k.

I am very seriously thinking about getting an xb follow-on.

The first one was great. If the 2nd is bigger then an xb then for me that is a bonus and I hope it is. I also hopes its a little longer so I can some how squeeze in a bike in the back with the seats down. I am married with one kid, so that is another consideration as far as space.

For those in the know, if its based on the t2b, I have a couple of questions.

1) do you know or think it will be bigger then the t2b. I have not seen the t2b next to a xb. Was the concept much bigger then the t2b. does anyone have a picture of them side to side so we can really compare the size difference.

2) the concept had suicide doors on one side and a sliding door on the other. Will both of those exist with this car. What are the odds. I like the idea.


My brother owns an orange SR1 xb. I almost bought one but my current toyota was running too clean at the time and still is at 115k.

I am very seriously thinking about getting an xb follow-on.

The first one was great. If the 2nd is bigger then an xb then for me that is a bonus and I hope it is. I also hopes its a little longer so I can some how squeeze in a bike in the back with the seats down. I am married with one kid, so that is another consideration as far as space.

It really sounds like you want a minivan... as opposed to a micro van.

Compact size = xB.

If it gets much bigger or rounder on the outside I swear it will just look like every single other SUV... and really want is the point then... it just dies in a sea of "the same" since it will have to raise its price to actually BE larger.

That can't be a longer nose. Just look at the wheel well, there would be a more even gap.

yeah--that gap looks enormous--I don't think that body has anything to do with the chasis--just thrown on.

the t2b is larger than the xB in every way. heavier , more hp , hardly any faster. oh ans shrewd , calling things "___" will ____ off a gigantic ___ guy to beat you up one day , so take warning.lol. and no i'm not ___ , and no it doesnt offend me , but i'm sure it offends someone. lol

I have nothing against minivans and would get one if I wanted one but that is not where I am looking right now. I like crossover vehicles where it drives like a car but has space. My wife has a Buick Rendevous. People won't buy one because they think Buicks are for older people and its not the best looking from the outside but it has amazing space inside and rides like a car with decent gas milage (20/26) for its size. Buying one of those shows I buy based on what works for me not based on what others will think of me.

I don't care what others think. I am not concerned about that. I buy based on what I like. Sometimes its in style and sometimes its not.

I tried an Element and the ride is very poor. I test drove an xb and the ride was awesome. My wife thought it was a little small and does not like the box. I like the box because of all the room inside and I like the look.

A little bigger helps with getting a bike in the back when I am by myself and with transporting my wife and daughter and pets.

I also like the pricing of the Scions. I really like the quality of Toyota and the drive of the xb and its space. A little bigger to me does not make it a mini-van. Its a scion and is aimed at a different group then minivans.

For that matter, I have heard people call black xbs hearsts and while ones, milk trucks. The point is there will always be people who do not like what it looks like.

They key for me is function and price. I am looking forward to what comes next. I like my brother's xb and expect scion to take the next one to another level.

hmm.. i knew scion was goin to do something like that. not my taste but might be someone elses

maybe part of the reason to increase the size is to catch additional buyers like myself that were on the fence with the first generation. The key is to expand the fan base without upsetting the original loyal gen1 fan base.

Gen2 is where the scion execs will earn their money. How can they keep this fresh and growing without screwing up what they started.

the xB's replacement will be a huge loss in comparison to the HUGE surprise hit of the xB.

FUGLY!!!!

Some of you respond like you know more then the average person. Is that because you work for Toyota or know someone that does or are you just making an educated guess on what will show up next based on the facts that have been released.

Some of you respond like you know more then the average person. Is that because you work for Toyota or know someone that does or are you just making an educated guess on what will show up next based on the facts that have been released.

Some people here have seen the next xB, but are not allowed to talk about it. I've seen it, and all I can say is hotbox05 is right on the money :lalala:

How did you see it ? Do you work for them or do live near the plant or what ? I guess you can not say much about it but I guess you could say why you know so much.

I am taking from your comments that you are not a fan of the car. Why do you think they went with this approach over the xB or the gen2 bB ?

How did you see it ? Do you work for them or do live near the plant or what ? I guess you can not say much about it but I guess you could say why you know so much.

I am taking from your comments that you are not a fan of the car. Why do you think they went with this approach over the xB or the gen2 bB ?

I don't think anyone can really know the reasoning behind any of Toyota's decisions; It's all speculation. I do know that they have been doing plenty of market research (Including select focus groups, which was where I was able to see the next xB).

IMO, I don't like it, but that doesn't mean anything, really. I'm sure lots of people will love it, and it has the potential to be a huge seller.

If the xB replacement gets the same gas mileage city and highway I think it will do OK. Toyota probably believes people will pay more for a slightly larger car and have a little higher margin.

The margin on sales was about the only negative in the last quarterly report.

the xB's replacemnt will get much less mpg than it does now. well at least 3 mpg less.

and i do work for toyota about 90% of the time. i do toyota promotions (product specialist) across the entire western united states.

either way, i'll bet dollars to doughnuts that a sliding door on one side (ala t2B) would be one of the biggest mistakes possible

That would just make it a tiny van, and nobody likes vans.

will the replacement use the suicide doors on one side and a sliding door on the other or will the production car go back to four doors like an xb or suicide doors on both sides like an element

suicide doors on both sde if i remember correctly

wow awesome catch!

...but will it still be available for sale up until the replacement comes to the showroom (I'm thinking March-April-ish)??? I want to be able to act AT THE RIGHT TIME if I don't like the news I hear on the replacement before I caN'T get my hands on CURRENT gen! (Blue Onyx, then I come!)

I'm sitting on the fence on the current xB because it does not offer moonroof (OK, maybe the a-little-bit-on-the-pokiness-side too). Those in the know, do you know if the xB replacement in Spring 2007 gonna definitely have a moonroof/sunroof made available? (PLEASE Scion, make moonroof/sunroof available, PLEASE!!!!! And keep the price close to the 1st gen too please!)

And let's keep this thread going with credible news on the replacement OK everyone?!!

late spring. yes .

rice close? you must be hight , more power , larger motor , larger car. more more more.


moon/sunroof? aftermarket ones are better in all ways. and if ONE feature makes or breaks a car for you , WOW

Hi hotbox: your reply reminds me: wouldn't aftermarket void the factory warranty (thus my preference for a factory option)? (If so, I would wait until after 3 yrs/36,000 miles to install...and which brand(s) are you recommending? NO leaks?)

You said larger engine: which neighborhood will that be? So it sounds like it's gonna be more $...some idea how much more?

And so just as to clarify: CURRENT will still be available up until new gen availability in showroom around March/April even though production will stop in December?!!

As for consumer inputs, I (think) I vote for sliding doors for both sides for the practical aspect if one was wedged tightly between say two parked cars, you can still open the doors and lounge around like you are at a beach party...speaking of lounge, let's make it that: a la Toyota Concept F3R, Honda Element, Fit, whatnot...just "un-minivan" the minivan look like how a Scion shouldn't be your soccermoms' minivans

current SOULD be . then again that will change with the sales of the region.


it will have the crap arsed 2.4 liter

any high quality sunroof can leak. it's about 90% in the install.


webasto


probably AT LEAST 16k starting

it will have the crap arsed 2.4 liter

would this crap arsed engine be likely to fit in a 1gen xB should one be totalled with an intact engine :eyebrow:

(obviously still with some work but on the same level as a celica swap)

So do installing aftermarket sun/moonroofs void warranty? (The 3yrs/36000miles basic warranty?)

t2B concept shows moonroofs...will those carry over to production? (Really need to know!!)

t2B (oops, xB replacement)...still gonna be made in Japan?

Are ASC (American Specialty Cars formerly American Sunroof Corporation)/Inalfa roofs...good? (Anyone have these installed? How do u like them?) Or Webasto better hands down?

EDIT: added Q: SoCal xB owners...how's your stock cars going up the hills...going to...San Diego? Magic Mountain/Grapevine? Cajon Pass I-15? Santa Barbara? What gear are you in (talking 'bout sticks)?

Scion truck 1/4 scale model (near end of 17 minutes video...think between 16 & 17 minute marks...from scion.com site @ http://mfile.akamai.com/8096/wmv/toyota.download.akamai.com/2320/scion/media/video/concept_car_unveiling/ConceptCarUnveiling_300k.asx ) announced with t2B...practical (meaning able to haul 4x8 drywall)??? Or just a "show" truck only (meaning small items like mountain bike, an armchair, whatnot)???

it will have the crap arsed 2.4 liter

would this crap arsed engine be likely to fit in a 1gen xB should one be totalled with an intact engine :eyebrow:

(obviously still with some work but on the same level as a celica swap)

This crap arsed 2.4 is the one in the tC and various other Toyota cars. Would the tC engine fit under the hood of an xB? .... I supposed it "could" technically ... but at what cost and loss?

this pic not the same as others posted. One was extended xb body no camo.

This vehicle looks to be a complete pre-production model. All the body is camo'd & wheel are 15in 5 lugs which I guess means the next xb will have larger wheels & the seats look different from angle of pic. I hope it comes in the same Orage color.

One question where would a vehicle like this be going?
I would think all testing would be done now. In West L.A. we don't see many camo vehicles around.

So do installing aftermarket sun/moonroofs void warranty? (The 3yrs/36000miles basic warranty?)... Are ASC (American Specialty Cars formerly American Sunroof Corporation)/Inalfa roofs...good? (Anyone have these installed? How do u like them?) Or Webasto better hands down?...
An aftermarket sunroof has no effect on the car's warranty. The aftermarket sunroof will also have its own warranty, usually 3 years for the inbuilt slider type. I have not heard of ASC. Inalfa I heard of, as that is what my Rostra cruise control installer sells. I myself bought a Webasto from another local sunroof and leather seat installer:
http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f280/vintagefortytwo/xB%20Sunroof%20and%20Dash/

The Inalfa and Webasto sunroofs, like OEM sunroofs, cannot leak water into the interior. They may not be perfectly water-tight, but you will never know it, because they have a perimeter gutter that is drained by a tube at each corner of the opening. The tubes go down into the wheel wells or rocker panels.

The only drawback of the aftermarket sunroofs is the floating headliner. Factory headliners are fabric laminated a rigid shell, either without or with a sunroof. To install an aftermarket sunroof, the shell is removed and stripped, and a hole is cut in it to fit the full length of the sunroof track, which is twice the length of the hole in the roof. Then new fabric is stretched or floated from the edge of the roof hole to the perimeter of the shell, to hide the track and motor. The floating headliner therefore spans over areas where it has no backing, and these areas flutter a little with the sunroof open at speed. I think after awhile this might stretch and loosen the headliner fabric. The floated fabric can also be torn or punctured if you are not careful.

hotbox05
suicide doors on both sde if i remember correctly[table:9b75618a68]

I hope the above is true, but a remember awhile back you poo pooing what somebody was guessing about the next be. :no: Now your saying basically that person was right. :doh:

I have one question will next xb have similiar seating to t2b or extra optional seating configuration? :tap: [/table:9b75618a68]

suicide doors on both sde if i remember correctly

Was there a b-pillar? I personally can't stand the Element type doors where the front must be opened in order to open the rear.

Chris

no b pillar. toyota makes all suicides with the structure built into the rear door , and you have to open the front before the rear. i'm not 100% on if it will have both suicides or not but that is what I last heard.

t-ak-bx I don't remember what you are referring to but ok. I know that initially I was told the t2b would never make production but in the last amount of time from talks , reading , pictures i'm going with what is true.

Was there a b-pillar? I personally can't stand the Element type doors where the front must be opened in order to open the rear.

Chris

I think the idea of the missing B-pillars is to give that sense of roominess, as in easy getting in and out of passengers and easy loading of equipment (not dogging you bro, aight). What's so hard about opening JUST ENOUGH for rear passengers--just as long as Scion do not go around SCREWING IT UP by attaching the front seat belts to the rear suicide doors...

...that's why I vote for concept's sliding doors on both sides (still get that roominess feeling)...
(EDIT: added links since it seems don't let me hotlink PICS http://netcarshow.com/scion/2005-t2b_concept/03.htm
http://netcarshow.com/scion/2005-t2b_concept )http://img.netcarshow.com/Scion-t2B_Concept_2005_1024x768_wallpaper_18.jpghttp://img.netcarshow.com/Scion-t2B_Concept_2005_1024x768_wallpaper_13.jpghttp://img.netcarshow.com/Scion-t2B_Concept_2005_1024x768_wallpaper_01.jpghttp://img.netcarshow.com/Scion-t2B_Concept_2005_1024x768_wallpaper_02.jpg...just so long as Scion does not SCREW IT UP by making it powered like concept--just give me MANUAL and I'm fine. In fact, I don't like anything powered (PW, PDL, cruise control)!!! I'm practical and sensible aight! What if u go into a body of water...and don't cruise control make u less an alert driver as in fallin asleep on long trips?

On ANY vehicle of mine including luxury, all I need is A/C, powered moonroof, tunez and I'm ready to roll.

Scion just need to make those sliding doors have two-levels/-clicks of opening if u will. The first click is the door opened enough for the front passenger to get out. The second click is where either front or rear passeger can push all the way opened. And make the front passenger seat swivels. Keep the stadium seating arrangement.

Don't make it too underpowered. Give me the moonroofs like on concept! hotbox05 or any1 in da know, moonroofs making it to production? Still made in Japan even tho just a US-only vehicle?

SoCal xB owners...how's your stock cars going up the hills...going to...San Diego? Magic Mountain/Grapevine? Cajon Pass I-15? Santa Barbara? What gear are you in (talking 'bout sticks)?

Scion truck 1/4 scale model announced with t2B...http://trucktrend.com/future/spied/163_0508_l+scion_t2b+side_view.jpg
...practical (meaning able to haul 4x8 drywall)??? Or just a "show" truck only (meaning small items like mountain bike, an armchair, whatnot)???
http://trucktrend.com/future/spied/163_0508_news_scion_t2B
http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050404/FREE/504040724



http://autoweek.com/files/weekart/2005/0404/scionfastback.jpg

Wow, I would not sport that.

that orange one looks like a Pontiac Aztek

Look what I saw today!!!

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a16/jbacuete/DSC00042.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a16/jbacuete/DSC00041.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a16/jbacuete/DSC00040.jpg

haha sry for the crappy pix I took them with my cell phone while i was driving on the 405 South.

I also saw this trailing right behind it

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a16/jbacuete/DSC00039.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a16/jbacuete/DSC00037.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a16/jbacuete/DSC00038.jpg

Know it's a lexus, but which one?

damn nice pics.

nice shots

Anyone noticed the camo'ed Tundra behind this rumored xB replacement?
http://i9.tinypic.com/2z8t4km.jpg

I wish the next Scion is a mini-truck like the t2B Cargo.
http://trucktrend.com/future/spied/163_0508_l+scion_t2b+side_view.jpg

Peugeot (1007)/Citroen anyone? Gotta love speculation.

Anyone noticed the camo'ed Tundra behind this rumored xB replacement?
http://i9.tinypic.com/2z8t4km.jpg

Yeah, take a look at the car in front of it as well. It's the Lexus from a couple posts up

Why didn't you floor it to get a photo of the front?

Hard to floor it when your sitting in LA traffic

A lot of the differences have been pointed out, and I am not sure if this is worth anything, but the exterior door handles bulge out, not lay flat like on the current xB. I prefer the xA and tC handles. If they used all the panels with filler added, why did they change the handles?

why would they just roll around like that though in the middle of the day like that

I've seen the new honda element and the new acura 2 door sport car rolling round arkansas, debadged and covered in cloth like that xb, they do that I guess so they can test everything on the real us roads, not the test roads

yeah, and another question would be... if it IS just a mule for the powertrain, why would they camo it?

"I think the idea of the missing B-pillars is to give that sense of roominess, as in easy getting in and out of passengers and easy loading of equipment (not dogging you bro, aight)."

To be clear, I prefer not having b-pillars. You're right, as long as they don't hook the seatbelts in a strange way then opening the front door a crack isn't a huge deal.

Chris

If I am giving folks rides, I hate having to unbuckle and open the front door to let folks in the back out. With lack of B-pillar, you have the room but defeat it with the stupid things you have to do to get people out. Forget it!

That pic looks awfully ominous to me, even though I can't really believe it. The porportions feel wierd, especially the front end. But looking at it compared to the white car in front, it doesn't look that much longer. I guess its just the size of the windows compared to the size of the hood.

Also behind the "xB thing" there is a test mule pick-up

Oh that is the new reg cab tundra.07

it indeed is a reg cab 07 tundra. i love the new tundra. we keep getting more of em for work. ( i work for a promotional company for toyota)


and apparently the new xb/xb replacement gets 4 regular doors. so it seems. and the black camo'ed xB thing above is nowhere near a production vehicle just a hideous mule.

...and apparently the new xb/xb replacement gets 4 regular doors. so it seems....

From all the crazy doors on both sides of the t2B,
now we're back to 4 Regular doors... :yawn:

The next xB isn't looking very appealing at all.

I'd buy that t2B mini truck in a minute though! :love:
But we haven't seen any mules of that driving around,
so I'm sure they'll never build it. :nope:

-THE DON

its so long.... werid

Did anyone notice the masked up 07 Tundra right behind it? Always enjoy speculation... :lalala:

yeah the 07 tundra is old news now though. and it was stated a few posts above.



and the new xb will be ginormous compared to what we have now., such a shame. i know if i wanted a big ol car it'd be an old classic , not some ginormous new car.