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Old May 13, 2012 | 06:45 PM
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Don't discontinue it, just put more HP and rear independent suspension and they will sell more, put a 3.5 V-6 for example.

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Old May 14, 2012 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by kustom_play
Sales of the once-popular xB -- which started a trend in "boxy cars" that has spawned rivals that include the Nissan Cube and Kia Soul

Umm the Cube has been around before the Bb.....

Anyway the Original xB was awesome and fun and cool. Car and Driver said the new xB2 looked like "the new young persons mini van"

Should of brought over the JDM Bb and sales wouldn't have tanked

They should of pulled the Vitz (Yaris hatch) over to Scion. The Yaris is cool car for what it is. It even has its own racing series for the Vitz / Netz cup
You said what I was about to say except for the Yaris thing. Anyone know why we didn't get the new generation Bb? That thing is still boxy as hell and has some sweet options but simple.

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Old May 15, 2012 | 02:05 AM
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You said what I was about to say except for the Yaris thing. Anyone know why we didn't get the new generation Bb? That thing is still boxy as hell and has some sweet options but simple.
cause it would have made sense?
Old May 16, 2012 | 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by kustom_play
Sales of the once-popular xB -- which started a trend in "boxy cars" that has spawned rivals that include the Nissan Cube and Kia Soul

umm the cube has been around before the Bb.....

anyway the Original Xb was awesome and fun and cool. Car and Driver said the new XB2 looked like "the new young persons mini van"

Should of brought over the JDM Bb and sales wouldnt of tanked

They should of pulled the Vitz (yaris hatch) over to Scion. The yaris is cool car for what it is. It even has its own racing series for the Vitz / Netz cup
I agree, the Cube has been around since before the Bb but it was the xB that made the boxy cars popular in the North American market, I'm not sure when the Cube came to America whether it was before or after the introduction of the xB, but they've both been in Japan for longer than they've been here

Also the new Yaris looks way too good to be a Toyota Scion should have snatched it up, and maybe give it the xD engine, it would be pretty zippy considering how much lighter the Yaris is than the xD
Old May 17, 2012 | 02:52 AM
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a few weeks later this still bothers me....there is no new Scion that will fit my needs now. WTG isolate and eliminate your core customers you invested so much in....
Old May 17, 2012 | 09:36 PM
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I'm sad to see the xB go, but with the xB2 they lost the JDM aspect. if they had brought back the "JDMness" with a 3rd Gen they would get back the market they were aiming for.

Couldn't agree more. Scion was about funky fun JDM vehicles - they lost sight of that. The xD suffered from a lack of personality, even more so than the xA it replaced.

The gen2 xB didn't have the funky edge the gen1 had.

I've driven them all, and they are all nice vehicles, but as far as staying true to the Scion mission, these two missed out.

I wonder what they will add to the line up now. They won't survive with 2 Sporty models and one Eco model. They will need something else to fill out the line.

My main complaint was and has continued to be the lack of fun colors for the vehicles. You want to attract a youthful market - offer better colors!

I still love my RS1 xB, which just turn over 28,000k miles this week. It still turns heads!

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Old May 17, 2012 | 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by urblgd
I agree, the Cube has been around since before the Bb but it was the xB that made the boxy cars popular in the North American market, I'm not sure when the Cube came to America whether it was before or after the introduction of the xB, but they've both been in Japan for longer than they've been here

Also the new Yaris looks way too good to be a Toyota Scion should have snatched it up, and maybe give it the xD engine, it would be pretty zippy considering how much lighter the Yaris is than the xD
They brought the Cube over much later then the xB and correct I would agree that the xB did start the Box craze but its funny how the company that created the Box craze managed to screw it up

What I personally think would of just totally dominated the market would of been to bring over the bB Open Deck!

How cool would that be!

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Old May 21, 2012 | 07:00 AM
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How dumb. I hope they compensate by at least putting VVT stock on all Scions in the future.

I do wish my tC2 had more boost

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Old May 21, 2012 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Pauly-FL
Couldn't agree more. Scion was about funky fun JDM vehicles - they lost sight of that. The xD suffered from a lack of personality, even more so than the xA it replaced.

The gen2 xB didn't have the funky edge the gen1 had.

I've driven them all, and they are all nice vehicles, but as far as staying true to the Scion mission, these two missed out.

I wonder what they will add to the line up now. They won't survive with 2 sporty models and one eco model. They will need something else to fill out the line.

My main complaint was and has continued to be the lack of fun colors for the vehicles. You want to attract a youthful market - offer better colors!
Agreed!

Originally Posted by kustom_play
i would agree that the xB did start the box craze but its funny how the company that created the box craze managed to screw it up

What I personally think would of just totally dominated the market would of been to bring over the bB open deck!

How cool would that be!
Right!

I wonder how much the Open Deck would be over here.
Old May 21, 2012 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Pauly-FL
Couldn't agree more. Scion was about funky fun JDM vehicles - they lost sight of that. The xD suffered from a lack of personality, even more so than the xA it replaced.

The Gen2 xB didn't have the funky edge the gen1 had.

I've driven them all, and they are all nice vehicles, but as far as staying true to the Scion mission, these two missed out.

I wonder what they will add to the line up now. They won't survive with 2 Sporty models and one Eco model. They will need something else to fill out the line.

My main complaint was and has continued to be the lack of fun colors for the vehicles. You want to attract a youthful market - offer better colors!

I still love my RS1 xB, which just turn over 28,000k miles this week. Its still turns heads!
The issue mainly is while yes Scion is trying to target the youth demographic they found most of their sales were to older people. So seeing this they ended up making cars for older people while trying to stay youthful and look what happened.

When I sold my Scion i never bothered to look at another Scion. Had nothing to offer. The xA was good for what it was, the xB was just so different as to what was on the market it sold itself.

Then for some reason we take the original bB and replace it with a Corolla and call it an xB which makes no sense.

Scion really has nothing to offer with these 2 cars and they finally realized it.

I am not sure about Open Deck pricing but I bet if they brought it over when they should of it would of sold like crazy. I would pick one up if they offered them State side.

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Old May 21, 2012 | 09:34 PM
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Sad to see this, I would've got an xA if it wasn't for the tC I have lol

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Old May 23, 2012 | 04:13 PM
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I wish we know what they were going to replace them with. From here Scion needs to think hard, because what they choose to replace them with will make or break Scion.
Old May 24, 2012 | 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by kustom_play
They brought the Cube over much later then the xB and correct i would agree that the xB did start the Box craze but its funny how the company that created the Box craze managed to screw it up

What I personally think would of just totally dominated the market would of been to bring over the bB open deck!

How cool would that be!
That would be pretty awesome!

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Old May 24, 2012 | 05:19 AM
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I would kill for a Japanese/European bB...I tried for a long time to find a way to get one imported, but I just don't think it's possible

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Old May 26, 2012 | 07:16 PM
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Too bad for the xB. Didn't really care too much about the xD. All the xB owners' can now be like us xA owners', in owning now a 'rare' car from Toyota/Scion!
Old May 28, 2012 | 12:07 AM
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Hi All,

Found this http://usautocars.com/2013-scion-xb, not sure if it is true.
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Originally Posted by TekSone
Hi All,

Found this http://usautocars.com/2013-scion-xb, not sure if it is true.
I don't believe it's true, unfortunately.
Old May 28, 2012 | 05:29 AM
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They brought the Cube over much later then the xB and correct i would agree that the xB did start the Box craze but its funny how the company that created the Box craze managed to screw it up
In the US, the company that "started the Box craze" was Honda, with the Element. Toyota saw that, examined their graying buyer demographics, and panicked. Executive meetings were held and the main question was "What can we do, cheap and quick, to compete with Honda?"

The answer was to take the JDM bB and modify it as cheaply as possible (LHD, bucket seats, spare tire, stick shift) for the US market. Ever wonder why the original xB1 had its vanity mirror on the left side? Probably because they forgot to flip it to the right in the hasty redesign!
The only reason that we got a mostly-JDM car was because Toyota, USA needed a car to compete with the Element quickly.

Surprisingly, the car sold like hotcakes! Not only Gen Y, but a lot of older folks who remembered their simple and reliable '70s Datsun 510s and Toyota Corollas lined up to buy xBs. Folks enjoyed the room, utility, and 30+MPG. Even Consumer Reports loved it!

Things were great for a couple of years, but then Toyota, always anxious to pull defeat from the jaws of victory decided to design an "American" xB. Never mind that they originally said that all Scion models would be "one and done," the urge couldn't be resisted.
They built the xB2, fat body, poor mileage, and all. Sales tanked.

Along comes Nissan who had to make a lot more mods to their Cube to make it ready for the US, including building a mirror image of the entire asymmetrical body shell. Unfortunately, the design is a bit too funky for the US market so they haven't been flying out the door.

The real winner in this race is Kia. They took a long hard look at the xB1 and built a new car with most of the xB1's attributes and made it better. Instead of 104HP and 5-speed of the xB1 you can get 164HP and a 6-speed that will still get far better mileage than the xB2.
Add to that some imaginative commercials and Kia is enjoying the same sales success that Toyota had with the xB1.

I love my xB1 and it has given me great service, but with 120K miles it's time to think of sending it to college with one of my children and buying something new. Sorry, Toyota, but I won't be visiting one of your dealers because there is nothing there for me to see.
From the looks of it there are hamsters in my future.

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Old May 29, 2012 | 07:23 PM
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They should drop current xB, keep xD. Second gen xB is a disgrace to first gen xB which was targeted toward younger tuners. It is no longer boxy, economical, or even appealing to those who bought first gen xB (IMHO). Its bloated shape, bigger engine, ruined not only its originality but its competitiveness. xB is a city car, why would someone need more power in it. More power defeats the purpose of having economical vehicle.
IQ is a toy car much like a scooter in your garage, there is no real purpose for it, but it is there anyways. Pretty to look at.
I drive (when I don't ride my bike) an xA, love it even though its not even near to my 535 (hiway cruiser) in power department, but it corners like a house fly. Also its a pleasure to park in the city. Not to mention great MPG.

I'd hope they reconsider their decision to drop xD (old xA) and bring a AWD model into US soil (at least as an option).

It is my opinion. I could be wrong.

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Old May 30, 2012 | 07:55 PM
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I'll just keep our (we have 2 '06.5's) 1st gen xB's till the wheels fall off.... gonna be a while tho.. have just 29,00 miles on each one.

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