I hate honduh everything but the si is better than tc hands down.

unless you have supercharger plus multiple bolt ons and upped boost the tc is weak. a turbo tc has great potential but it's still what it is. honduh will always have much larger marketshare aftermarket wise , honduh has easier to mess with ecu's. honduhs get good power.

i still hate them but damned if I don't RESPECT them.

 

Yes my tc cost more than most. Options I had extra were as follows...
$16740 base price +

100K mile no deduct warranty which was about $1100
Side curtain airbags

Ground effects package $995

Rear bumper protector $58

Rear pedistal spoiler $423

Side curtain airbags $650

Carpet and cargo mats $145

= $20.111 + tax title and licence etc... Came out to right at like $20,500 or so. Cannot remember exactly. I paid cash for the tags. That is how you make a tc go from $16700 to being a $20K car in a hurry I know some of the options from oem are very pricey / overpriced but I like oem fit, finish and a flawless install as my items were.

Then I added bought and installed....
tein h-techs
Hotchkis sways
Greddy strut braces
Trd sc
Autometer 0-20psi boost gauge
b&m short shifter
Sport 110 bypass valve
Prototype pulley hehe
And probably some other stuff I forgot... + tons more to come. Car is pretty fun, no rocket but fun and very very nice to drive.

 

I also noticed allot of honda guys think the tc comes stripped *LOL* Hardly, you might wanna let some of your crew "if you on the forums" know that this list is the basics the tc comes with. Car is better equipped allot better than many $30K cars I have been in.

Comfort and Convenience Features
Air Conditioner
Power Windows (with one-touch up/down on driver & passenger window w/ pinch protection)
Power Door Locks with Remote Entry
Power Outside Mirrors
Panorama Moonroof with Power Slide/Tilt Front Glass Panel and Dual Manual Sunshades
Rear Window Defogger
Digital Clock
Dual Power Points
Outside Temperature Gauge
Tilt steering wheel with audio controls
Tachometer and Trip Meter
Sport Front Bucket Seats with Fabric Upholstery and Driver's Seat Adjustable Height and Thigh Support
Cruise Control
Cargo Area Storage
Driver's Seat One-Touch Walk-In w/ Track and Seat Angle Memory
Reclining 60/40 Split Folding Rear Seat
Rear Window Shading
Driver and Passenger Sun Visor Mirror w/ Cover
Hard Cargo Cover
Amber Instrument Panel Illumination

Exterior Features
17" Alloy Wheels
Multi-Reflector Auto-off Halogen Headlamps
Side Mirrors with Turn Indicators
Variable Intermittent Front Wipers
Chrome Exhaust Tip

Audio
Pioneer AM/FM/CD Head Unit (MP3 and Satellite controller capable)
Scion Sound Processing
6-Speakers (including 2 tweeters)
Rear Fender-Mount Antenna

Safety Features
Driver and Passenger Front Airbags*
Anti-Lock Brakes (ABS) and Vehicle Skid Control (VSC)**
Driver and Passenger 3-Point Seat Belts
3-Across Rear Head Rests
3-Across 3-Point Rear Seat Belts

 

Nice "race" John. I think if you went past 90mph, the Si would have pulled ahead as the gearbox is built for more top-end power from the K-series. Of course, I don't encourage racing, nor driving over 90mph, but just saying

Darren -- I know you love my Honda

 

i love that it's fast , not that it's a honduh. lol

 

desertheat, wow! You sure out did yourself with the oem parts. Most of what you purchased though can come in handy, such as the side airbags.

itzjere, thank you for the kind words. Yes, I probably would have pulled harder on him if we did faster runs. We didn't want to mix fun with risking what we have being we were in a parking lot. However, from the 25mph roll I pulled hard on Mark in the beginning and towards the end.

hotbox05, as long as you can respect Honda for what they have accomplished, and the potential that is there I can respect your opinions on the company.

-John

 

gsr had - coilovers, sways, struts (rear front), port polished head, stand alone, i/h/e, upgraded "stage 3" clutch, custom gearing, weight reduction, and a few other things as well. I miss it, box has been fun though. Might be selling it in the spring for the Yaris hatchback.

Sounds like your tegra-r was pretty fun as well.

 

Honda is a good company. I have nothing against the cars and never will, its just a lot of the people that made them look ridiculous that gives me a bad taste in my mouth. Cool test you guys did there and I think in some instances the new Civic looks hot but I get really dizzy looking at the interior... lol

 

what does the si do in the 1320..? I managed a 14.899 before the custom airbox work / pulley. Have not had time to go back! Is the si faster..?

 

Honda and Toyota quality....

Where do I start, Toyota, Honda's and Nissan's all share electronics guts from a company called Nippon Denso.

Do you know who started Denso? and where Denso is located? thats right, Toyota. That is why all of these companies to one extent or another, have cars that last prety much forever.

Again, Denso was formed under the guise and direction of Toyota quality, something that Honda and Nissan can follow.

However, ask any mechanic from a Honda dealer about their automatic transmissions, and that is where is difference lies.

honda is a motorcycle company at heart, Toyota a loom weaving company than a truck company. Again, here in lies the difference, Toyota is a car company, Honda a motorcycle company that never changed its philosophy of motorcycles, and ask any honda mechanic and they'll tell you that that company to this day has not got automatic transmissions down right because the basic archetecture of their transmissions are based off of manual transmission schematics and not seperate ones like Toyota and Nissan that have seperate automatic and manual transmissions.

Ah, fact is, you going to pay 60K for an Acura/Honda? Or 60K for real luxury in a Lexus Toyota?

Facts are facts friend, go look up the recall bulletin for V6 automatic transmissions for Honda's. I've owned a 2000 CL and a 1999 Accord V6, both those and my friends Odyssey, accord coupe V6 etc etc, were recalled for transmission failure while they were relatively new.

Honda, never again that mistake.

 

Mark has had an average of 14.9 in the quarter mile, I personally haven't gone to the track yet but something I plan to do shortly. The Si has a rating of 15.1, however as we all know a better driver can pull better, and an unexperienced driver could pull worse times. Car and Driver tested the Si under a solid 15.1-15.2 time, the same company also tested a stock tc to be 15.9-16.1 as an average. I hope this information helps answer your question.

FlintMicaRummy, all car manufactures have recalls. If you compare the amount of recalls from Honda and Toyota, you will notice that their history of mistakes and flaws are virtually identical. I'm sorry your past ownership of Honda wasn't to your standards, but I can ensure you most owners have little to no defects within their ownership.

killerxromances, sounds like the Integra you had was a blast!

 

Just a fluke, toyota has had it's recalls as well. All companies have there issues. I have had toyotas hit 270K miles and honda's hit the same with the same basic wear and tear. I personally like honda, I hate ____an.. opps nissan. We all have our opinions!

 

Definitely was. I forgot to also mention i had raised the redline to 8,600rpm. My last dyno run made 231whp @ 7,100rpm, and 155wtq @ 6,500rpm. (if i remember that correctly for rpm's with torque) And yes, quality of both Honda and Toyota are quite amazing. Both companies do a well job with having little flaws as possible.

 

yeah, that should be happening quite soon, the Civic Si is a well built and well engineered car, as are all hondas. Im a big honda loyalist, i own an 04 accord and love it. I think the world is big enough for two well made, cars that are both comprable in style, and possiblities for mofifications. I think The si is a totally different car then the LX, or EX, i think we all really need to remeber honda and the civic were one of the major driving forces in the 90's to even now in the sport compact market.

great write up, i dont need to see a picture of video..........

 

Yeah I just saw motortrends 15.7 @ 93.9mph 1320 for the si, I know that car has to be quicker than that. And yes, times vary allot with magazines! I would say 14.9 is a good average for a basically stock sc tc.

 

edmunds got a 15.1 @ 93.8 for the si... not to shabby... about what an average sc tc guy can run. Road and track also got a 15.1. Identicle to the sc tc. Pretty equal cars Out of the hole though, looks like the tc rips the si a new one. if the tc driver manages to get traction.

Braking is also pretty dead even, si tested 122ft and the tc hit a 119.55 "equal, who knows what the track conditions were....


Only thing I saw that sucked about the si, was the powertrane warranty is only 3yr / 36K.... the tc's basic is 5yr / 60K.

 

yes there are a lot of tc vs si threads on scionlife as well as clubsciontc.com, but its just a bunch of kids who dont have a clue about cars. i know honda civic Si is meant for performance good kill.

 

If the tC had lsd, i think the tC would be running high 14's on a constant average. With just the s/c i mean, but due to the lack of lsd the tC suffers a bit of wheel hop/spin. I think 14.9 as an average that john's friend did is impressive, who knows maybe his best run is near 14.7? Hey john, whats his lowest and worst times too? That is if you know.

Then again, something people don't take in consideration with performance is most K-series respond extremely well to even the simplest bolt ons. Same with other motors honda produce, from what i've seen the 2az does quite well but still lacks, mostly due to design. Its a great motor undoubtedly, but could use some things and go without somethings in order to be a true performance motor/car. In my opinion at least.

I also think that for the tC with s/c to keep up with the Si like this, is impressive. Honda has perfected performance per class for years now, Toyota lacks this but it appears its catching up with Honda slightly. Or atleast, in that direction. I mean, look at the Yaris hatchback/liftback. Sure, it only has the 1nz in there but its also very light. I think the Yaris could potentially be another civic hatchback if the aftermarket agree's with this. It's either going to be excellent in the way of aftermarket, or its going to fall on its face like the echo did. I personally love the Yaris.

Sorry for that slight off topic comment, thought i would through out the fact Toyota seems to be following honda in some respect.

 

The comparo between the tc and si is like comparing a subaru legacy to a wrx.... Just a thought....

 

Or a Civic lx compared to rsx-s.