The diff between a tC and an S2000 is enough to more than make up for a good vs bad driver!!!!

 

very true

 

oh dayum, i dunno if skeltor was kidding or not but whatever the case, envy...you just freakin PWN3D HIM!

 

oh btw, i once had a lil fun with an s2k, the tc could overtake it in first gear and like 1 second in 2nd gear..but then its all downhill from there!

vtec pwns us

 

its all on driver. ive drove one of friends cars at the track he ran a 15.5 i ran the same car and ran a 14.1. All on driver especially out the hole.

 

i understand that the driver can cause the outcome of the race but damn
that about 80hp difference(basically a boosted tC)

 

I have quite a bit of work done to my tC, the best part about it, is unless I romp, it sounds and looks stock unless you look at the windshield. I don't care about weight you can always modify that.

Now, I have raced a S2000 with all kinds of mods, intake, huge fart can.
When racing, I swear Sway Bars, Strut Bars, Engine Stiffys, and Suspension make a bigger difference in acceleration than any intake, huge fart can, ever will.


REMEMBER THE TC HAS 160 TQ STOCK. HP MEANS NOTHING.
The s2000 has 127TQ, with the 200HP engine it doesn't mean ANYTHING.
The only reason they will pull on you is because of higher gear ratio, 6 Speed 8k redline.

You only need these two numbers to rate HP and TQ, none of that RPM crap.
My tC stock could beat a full blown bolt on acura integra at the track, not your ricer teg with a half pained body kit and a fart can and knn filter from autozone.

VTEC DOES NOT KICK IN. In the Toyota world, we just run off and leave your excuses behind. Being a previous Honda owner, I know it's not fast trust me. The same way with the acura rsx-s. It's not fast if it has VTEC anywhere in the blueprints.

Needless to say, I raced an S2000 on a turn out of town, and left him in the dust.
Obviously, it depends on the driver as well. If you feel comfortable at driving at speeds over 100MPH, if not, or you have never done it, please don't. It's dangerous, I'm not condoning street racing.

 

^^^

Wow. I don't even know what to say to that. Except that you're wrong on almost every single sentence in that post.

 

^^^ lol
i didn't even understand half of it except that rsx-s are slow? idk

 

I can't believe I just read that... Torque has its advantages, but for straight-line racing, power is all that matters. Period.


There is no way in hell a tC can remotely keep up with an S2000, unless the tC was boosted or the S2000 was parked.

 

First of all the s2000 has 240 hp, not 200. and second of all THEY DO NOT "Pull" on 'us' because of a higher gear ratio and a 6 speed tranny with an 8k redline. They BEAT THE ____ OUT OF US cause it is a faster car. Period.

Stop making excuses you look like a fool.

Do you know that our cars run 15.7 with a PROFESSIONAL driver, while the s2k runs low 14's all day long with a good driver? Someone has even hit 13.9 with a MY 06 s2k.

Whats this about vtec not kicking in and the toyotas of your toyota world just taking off?

From my deciphering I think you menat to say somewhat to the tune that we have vvti and it is always on we dont need it to kick in?
Well if you did mean that then go read a book and learn the differences between vvti and vtec, and maybe you will be surprised to find out they are 2 different things, AND that vtec is the superior.

its ppl like u that give tc's and their drivers bad names

dont 4get next time say u beat a porsche too, cause you had more tq.

 

thinking about this, if the S2k had smaller gears that didn't rev to 9k, we may have had a SLIGHT advantage.
S2k is RWD, and with a good launch it'll eat us up in the whole. The car is not very heavy and has a perfect weight distribution.

torque = twisting force. HP = torque multiplied by RPM / 5252
it would really take a dyno graph to understand why the tC would be able to pull on a s2k in 1st gear. we make more horsepower up until VTEC kicks in - and then bye bye

and YES, VTEC does indeed kick in. It switches over to the aggressive cam setting around 6.5K or so.

 

And even this is theoretical. When I lauch my friend's S2000 at the strip, I usually slip the clutch aggressivley at 4000... I'm basically already in VTEC.

If toyota wanted to make a performance motor, they would. 5 valves/cylinder, high revs, port-matched high-flow heads, high displacement, massive turbos... They've done it all. They just have chosen NOT to do it with this car.

Your tC was designed to be spunky, not fast. The S2000 was designed to be a pinnacle of "ownable" engineering. It's comparing a little apple to a big-___ orange.

 

Yes, my car would run 15.7 IF IT WAS STOCK.

Yes, my tC was designed to be spunky for two reasons,
A. I'm Driving and, B. that's the target market.

No, a Stock s2000 won't beat me.

No, 247 HP doesn't matter unless it has adequate TQ.

S2000:
Horsepower @ rpm (SAE net, Rev 8/04)
237 @ 7800
Torque (lb.-ft. @ rpm)
162 @ 6800
No Back Seats. Better Weight. 8k Redline.

My TC 6 Months Ago When it Was Stock:
162 TQ
161 HP

-Check My Profile and you can see why the s2000 with intake and fart can lost.

tC_2NeR, with the money you spent on that Navy you could have bought half my power mods.

 

I am sorry, but the tC against a S2000 is pretty much hopeless. Me and my stock tC have trouble keeping up with the talilights of my buddy's S2000 with him smoking and his fatass girlfriend in it. I have a 05 Highlander and the tC really doesn't seem that much faster.

As for the 1.8T A4, yes, that is a car we can beat as long as it's a stock one and you try REAL hard. I had a 2002 and its about as fast as a stock tC. But they are much easier to mod.

The S2000 you raced, he probably did a civic engine swap.

 

So now your car runs a 15.1, and the S2K can still run a 14 in the 1320

and tC_2ner - he would have been pushing 10more HP????
IMO the Navigation has much more purpose than a Cold Air Intake and some pulleys

Bro, a stock S2000 will still eat your car, the damn thing runs a 14 flat in the 1/4th? Your car isnt even close!

[and in case you didnt notice, the S2000 makes almost the same amount of peak torque.... yea.....]

 

Well, I just looked at your profile, and again, you're a moron. A tC with N/A bolt-ons, 18" wheels, and a full audio system isn't coming anywhere near a stock S2000.

Did you miss the part where someone said a stock S2K runs low 14s and can break into 13s in the quarter? Your car can't. End of story.

Even if you added the TRD supercharger to your mods, you wouldn't be pulling on an S2000. The S2000 with the intake and fart can lost because he wasn't racing you.

For the record, I'm not a big fan of the S2000. I've test driven one, and was not terribly impressed power-wise. My (modded) WRX blows the doors off of them. But you're definitely fighting an uphill battle here. You *need* forced induction to compete with an S in a tC.

And also, torque does not matter nearly as much as you think it does. All that matters is power to weight ratio, gearing, tires/drivetrain, and the available powerband. The S2K has you beat on all fronts except *maybe* available powerband, which it's power to weight ratio and gearing more than make up for.

 

Your mods:

Eclipse In-Dash Navigation Unity, Eclipse Amp / Mounted Spare Tire, Eclipse Rear 12\" X 2 Subwoofers
Body Mods
HID600 Halo Projector Head Lights, Smoked Tails, AEM Battery Tie Down, Sparco Milano Seats, Sparco Four Point Racing Harness, 5% Tint All Around
Power Mods
Injen Cold Air Intake, Invidia S-Pipe, DC Sports 4-2-1 Header, Borla Axleback Exhaust, NST Crank Pulley Kit, B&M Short Throw Shifter, Samco Hose Kit, Ingalls Engine Stiffy, Excedy Stage 2 Clutch, Fidanza Flywheel,
Suspension Mods
TEIN SS-P Tech Full Coilover, TEN EDFC Electronic Damper Force Controller, DC Sports Front Upper Carbon Strut Bar, Progress Tech Front & Rear Sway Bars, Willwood Big Brake Kit


So, I/H/Spipe/E, pulley... for power... that's good for 14.9, if you weren't running 18-inch wheels, bigger brakes, or had 2 huge 12-inch subwoofers in the trunk.

I'd say you were probably in the 15.2-5 range, depending on how well you drove, and if you took out those subs or not. Still very, very far behind the 14.0's that most S2000's are capable of with an average driver.

When it comes to engine output, horsepower is all that matters. I'm not seeing where the disconnect is here. A stock S2000 will not only beat you, it won't even be remotely close. Yes, torque is "twisting force," but can your motor continually maintain this "twisting force" above 6000 rpm ? Nope. In fact, at 6500rpm, a 2AZ can only put out about 130 ft-lbs or so, probably less.

You can apply more than 160 ft-lbs to a lugnut if you had a breaker bar. Does this mean you could acclerate your car to a 16 second quartermile by constantly applying 160 ftlbs to the driveshaft with your hands? Hell no. Once you get above a few RPM, it becomes physically impossible for you to continue applying that force. Your body cannot produce the POWER you need to accelerate your car, because you can't apply that TORQUE over enough TIME.

The S2000 has, for all intents and purposes, the same amount of torque as a tC. So what? The tC can only apply that torque reasonably well up until 6500 rpm, but the S2000's engineering keeps piling on the torque until 9k. The result ? More torque applied over time, and therefore more power.

Power is the ability to do work. Work is the application of force over distance. Torque is a form of force, but without distance, it is useless in terms of accelerating your car. Give me a theoretical electric motor which puts out 1 ft-lb at every one of an infinite number of RPMs, and it may be considered the perfect racing motor. It's POWER, (ability to do work), would techinically be infinite... and therefore, be able to apply an infinite amount of force over any distance.

This is just a layman's way of looking at it... but also keep in mind that 9000rpm limit allows shorter gearing, which mulitplies the applied torque MORE than your gearing. The S2000 is lighter that a stock tC, and way lighter than one with 2 12-inch subs. The S has rear-drive, which is the optimal configuration for drag racing.

I'm sorry... but you will be laughed at if you try to continue this argument farther. Please consider doing a lot of reading before you take the position that you beat an S2000 in a serious drag race.

 

Moral of the story, you beat a bad/scared driver. However, that bad scared driver got beat by a tC, and now thinks his car sucks.

Everyone wins at scionlife!

 

and on that note