Black metal became a parody of itself circa 1992. Until then very few people knew what BM was. Most still do not understand what it means.

IMO, there was and is only 1 BM band. Burzum.

The corpse paint is lame, agreed.

KD has nothing to do musically with BM. He is simply a heavy metal act.

 

I think the mudvayne bassist needs to start his own side project. Im glad Vader was mentioned, they ruled in concert

 

simply? besides Bathory and maybe venom, 1987's Abigail is the best example of early black metal. even though i grew up with it, i hate it myself but i gotta give it props. (though u gotta respect KD's range for a male, up there with elvis imo)

Burzum came ten years after these guys.

 

I have to disagree. KD and MF have always been heavy metal. There is nothing even remotely BM about either one. Venom, maybe, was coming closer to BM, but they were always a heavy metal band as well, albeit it a bit more "evil" in sound.

If any early band could be considered (at best) proto BM, it would have been Bathory.

Sure, he has a talented voice and I never implied otherwise. Back when I was a kid, I listened to all sorts of heavy metal including MF/KD. Now I know better though.

Yes, but thats comparing apples to oranges. Burzum and MF/KD are so different on so many levels (astethics, emotion, action, talent) that a comparison is waste of time IMO. Sure they are both metal, but thats about all they have in common.

Varg most likely listened to and evoloved they sound of Venom, but they are nothing alike.

 

k, so do you believe any BM(black metal, not bowel movements ) came before 1990?

KD had the story telling in songs, the singing style and look of BM before anyone else i've seen. yes his music was crappy and dated if you attempt to listen to it now and my favorite song of his when i was like 12 was some twisted xmas tune, but i just don't see a better example before him.

imo, KD is to black metal as black sabbath is to heavy metal. Not the best example, but probably the first. IMO black sabbath was at the time "hard rock" as led zeppelin was, but they laid the foundation for heavy metal and certain tracks of sabbath taken on their own are heavy metal, and if I had to name the first heavy metal band, it' d probably be sabbath, but clearly they are not true "heavy metal".

now, the only metal of anykind i'd listen to with respect are Slayer albums from "Show No Mercy to Seasons in the Abyss" and Sepultura's "Beneath the Remains to Roots".

 

No, I do not. Maybe a demo from Mayhem or Burzum, but as far as official real releases, no, anything before 1990 was not BM. But remember my narrow point of view when it comes to BM - I do enjoy a number of bands (Immortal, Enslaved, Burzum and Emperor) but only consider 1 band to be real BM, one band that embraced all the anti socialism that 99% of all other bands simply say they "believe in satan/evil/killing/whateverelseyoucanthinkof...that being Burzum. You see, Varg was a unique, strong individual (Im not here to argue about the right or wrong of his beliefs though) and that personality came through in his music. He didnt simply pose, but he put action into words. This is what BM was suppose to be, a rejection of everything and every constraint put upon the soul by the powers that be. But almost all the bands simply played the game and had no true beliefs.

Also I have always thought Mayhem sucked, while many consider them some kind of founding fathers and should be held up to some godly status.


Sarco___o did the whole look before KD.

Sarco___o. I think they were from Brazil

No, BS (or Earth as they were called before the name change) has always been a blues band with rock/metal elements. They paved the way for heavy metal thats for sure. But the evolution (simplified) goes: rock-hard rock-metal- thrash metal-speed metal-death emtal- black metal. I would never say Iron Maiden were thrash or speed or anything else other than heavy metal.

KD/MF have never, and will never be BM.

 

k, i see your point. i personally can't stand to listen to kd or black metal nowadays anyway.

i always thought the evolution went
blues
rock & roll -beatles and such, pre '75
hard rock - sabbath, zepplin, ac/dc, van halen
heavy metal - i.e. metallica, megadeth,etc..
death metal - i.e. slayer, sepultura, morbid angel, cannibal corpse

then, after 89ish, ppl started re-categorizing new & older albums of heavy & death metal into subsections, like thrash, speed, black, etc...when no one really cared much back then cuz if u listened to metal, you listend to metal, and there just werent that many ppl that listend to it anyway.

i know little of iron maiden, except that "run to the hills, run for your life" sounds like hard rock imo.

 

MF came out in 1980, King diamonds went solo in 84, and first solo album in 86, sarco___o had a demo in 86, with a first LP in 87.

 

quite frankly all the categories can be a real pain. I prefer to say I like metal, whether that means i'm listening to Sabbath, Priest, Type "O", Metallica, etc....
If the guitars are distorted, the sound heavy, doesn't matter to me if they are riffing @ 90 mph or playing slow and dirgy.
I personally have never cared for the "black/death" genre, but i'll listen to a Cradle of filth or slayer cd and really enjoy it. I either like the music/style from a band, or I don't. Though I may like the sound of that music, I can usually only "take" the growling vocals so long before it's on to another disc.

 

who's seen or heard of this

http://www.beatallica.com/

 

never saw that one before... though I own several of the "Apocalyptica" cd's which have their own "unique" twist on Metallica and metal overall.

 

I could very well be mistaken since MF/KD are not high on my interest level, but didn’t KD start using the corpse paint after he went solo? 85/86? Anyway, I guess you could say he got the idea from Alice Cooper or KISS. Maybe even Misfits or The Damned. It could even be ancient Germanic/Teutonic in origin. Who really knows. My only point (and I am to blame for going off track Im sure ) is that the music is NOT BM.

I am in agreement w/ both of you though....catagories are overused and annoying. But they do have there uses. I dont like to say I listen to metal since so many bands are lumped into the term that people get the wrong idea....I do not want ANYONE thinking I liked Iced Earth, Avenged Sevenfold or the rest of there cohorts. I dispise more than 90% of metal, so I tend to be specific when mentioning music I like. Even though today I only put it in one of two catagories….good music and shi**y music.

 

^^ the last line is perfect!

 

same reason i won't say i listen to metal, I just say "slayer before dave left, and sepultura before the bros split" to ppl in the know.

i don't want ppl to think i listen to metallica which to every who doesn't listen to "metal" is the only thing that comes to mind. I like for whom the bell tolls, harvestor of sorrow, one, and that's about it.

If anyone is old enough to remember when metallica "metallica" came out, "enter sandman" was played over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again. any rock station during that first 12 months afterward had a track from that album as every other song. Every guy driving around with hair longer than 4 inches had that album playing on repeat.

That ruined metallica forever for me.

 

I was lucky enough ( or old enough... ) to see Metallica at a local club in '82 (i think), the Ride the Lightning tour... my first shot of thrash, damn near blew me away. though I've enjoyed their other stuff ( i actually don't listen to much radio so any "overplay" is my own fault ) that early impression was tough to follow.
My thing is I don't like all metal, don't hate all country or rap, like a small portion of instrumentalists, etc... which for some people is hard to understand. You know--they'll lump you as a "metalhead", or whatever.
Oh well, whatever I like I like, I don't listen to music to please anyone else ( i'm too old to worry about trivial crap like that ).
Either a band's "sound" hooks me, or it doesn't.

 

1982 was Kill Em All.

And Dave, Beatallica is pretty cool.

 

^ i could be off a year or so; it was wasp & metallica, and it was the "ride" tour.. old age tends to forget some of the info...

 

as I lay dying
darkest hour
killswitch engage
atreyu
shadows fall
avenge sevenfold
dead to fall
anthrax HAHA
lamb of god
a perfect murder
PANTERA!!!
hatebreed

I listen to pretty much anything hard, but those are just my favorites.

 

im ressurecting this cause.. im actually quite amazed how many metal heads are trully out there.. i see the scion scene around here and majority of the drivers are hip hop listeners.. i cruise around blasting my metal.. (cause metal is only meant to be blasted and cause im deaf from it now).. id like to see some more metal peeps around here..

i was drawn into metal at an early age.. when i was 10 i saw Slayer's Hell Awaits album.. just loved the artwork on the album.. gave it a listen.. and everything changed from there.. later on i discovered the european scene.. and everything went up hill from there..

heres a FEW bands that i like..

Death Metal: Bloodbath, Opeth, Hypocrisy, Entombed, Cannibal Corpse, Morbid Angel, Vehemence, Death(R.I.P. Chuck Schuldiner), Insision, Exhumed, Panzerchrist, Impaled, Carcass, At The Gates, Decapitated, Runemagick, In Flames, Soilwork, Children Of Bodom, Within Y, Arch Enemy, Malevolent Creation, Bolt Thrower, Gojira

Black Metal:
Burzum, Dark Funeral, Immortal, Emperor, Dargonlord, Rise, Dark Throne, Dimmu Borgir, Apostasy, Marduk, Ninnuam, Ragnarok, Sacrementum, Warlust, Unlord, Will Of The Ancients, Satyricon

Thrash Metal: Testament, Annihilator, Destruction, Kreator, Slayer, Sepultura, Artisan, Nevermore, The Crown, The Haunted

Celtic/Pagan/Epic/Viking Metal: Cruachan, Amon Amarth, Primordial, Suidakra, Finntroll, Moonsorrow, Battlelore, Waylander, Ensiferum, Norther, Nightwish, Epica, Within Temptation, Nachtfalke, Morgenstern, Korpiklaani, Hullun Miehen Seiväs, Helengar, Halgadom, Futhark, Falchion, Ashtar, Empyrium, Eluveitie, Devil In The Kitchen, Bran Barr, Blind Stare, Benos, Arvinger, Indian Fall, Mourning Ends, Numen, Oden, Orplid, Rimmersgard, Saurom Lamderth, Schattentantz, Severnije Vrata, Shaman, Skyforger, Spectral, Surturs Lohe Die, Tanqeray, Taranis, Temnozor, Tenhi, Thunderstone, Vali, Veil Of Anguish, Vicious Crusade, Wadgelmir, Withering, XIV Dark Centuries

Doom/Gothic Metal: Anathema, Morgion, My Dying Bride, Mourning Beloveth, Crematory, Novembers Doom, Novembre, The Gathering,

Power Metal: Iced Earth, Blind Guardian, Demons & Wizards, Iron Maiden, Hammerfall, Iron Fire, Kamelot, Luca Turilli, Rhapsody, Falconer, Storyteller, Pegazus, Dragonforce, Highland Glory, Seven Witches, Nocturnal Rites

 

So many metal bands to check out...so little time...

Thanks for all the replies guys, I never expected a 5 page thread from this!