I would consider myself a Christian in that I believe in God and a higher power yadda yadda yadda. I also believe organized religion is a joke: Catholics, Baptists, Muslims, Judaism all have gotten so narrow minded they forget that we all believe in the same damn God.

I have had enough of arguing which religion is right because personally I think they’re all wrong and have forgotten the basis of what religion is about. Believing in God does not mean you have to have a requirement of attending an actual church, I feel you can worship how ever the hell you want.

No, I am not the best Christian: I cuss, I don’t read the Bible (because of the corruption), and I don’t go to any Church, but I feel better by doing so because I am not blind person, I see the big picture.

The way I feel about science and religion is that I know there is a Creator and I think (bash if you will) that science only proves how he works. What makes two negatives repeal??? Who decided they should? Why are the atoms arranged as they are? Why do we have gravity? (those ?s weren’t meant to be answered so don’t waste your time explaining it) Every time we prove something more questions are raised. We will never know everything about how nature works and personally that is the beauty of it.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but from your post am I to understand that the only reason you believe in God is to explain what science can't? You would have easily excepted a rain god or volcano god were you apart of a different time and culture if that is the case.

If all the questions about nature were solved via science would you denounce your belief in God? If not why?

 

No I was merely saying I use science to explain how god works, not to explain what I don't know. I am not the type of person to turn a blind eye to science but I would not say science is always correct.

From what I've read so far in this thread it has been about what God cannot or can do, when if God was as powerful as we believe, then who is to say what or how he can do things or how we works.

It is just an open interpretation of religion. Not blinding following the herd but also not saying religion completely wrong.

 

Hate - yet another example of religious intolerance.

Anyway, if god or christian dogma had no negative affect on my life and the people of this country , and those following said religions would keep their beliefs to themselves, I would not care. Unfortunately religious zealots force their beliefs onto a nation and make decisions that have profound penalties, not only on myself, but an entire nation.

And before you jump in with this country being founded by/for god, reread The Constitution and The Federalist Papers - this country was founded on the freedom from religion.

 

You can't see gravity, but you believe in it right? You can see how Religion has a effect on people. False religion has negative effect on people, true religion has a positive effect on people.

Why do you believe in God, yet you don't believe in Gods word?

 

So... BigMURR... why do you believe in God?

 

God dosen't give a damn about what country your from. If you serve him the way he requires, you could be from Iraq, North Korea, Japan, Canada, Guam. It dosen't matter. People that have the God bless America signs and ribbons on their car are morons.

 

LOL... When you have a made up deity you can make up who he loves the most also.

 

Anyone interested in the true writers of the Bible please watch this video.

 

I'm done here, most times, athiests just plain don't want to even think about the possibility that they are wrong. Just wait, in the end we will find out if there is a god or not.

 

Krusty,
By all means, if you have ANYTHING, any SHRED OF EVIDENCE that would indicate a god tell me. I am completely open. Are you freakin kidding me!!!??? You don't think I want more than anything to believe that there is an afterlife and after I die I will get to see my loved ones again!!!??? You think I like thinking that I am all alone in this world? The answer is those are very scary things for me. So perhaps I'm not the one that is close minded. You have offered nothing to indicate God exists.

 

God + Ditka vs. Chuck Norris, who wins???

 

Kruuuuusty........
I'm seriously waiting...
You came on, criticized christianity, then said god loves everybody, then said Atheist don't listen I'm leaving.
What did you say that you think I was closed minded to?

 

How could I prove that God exists if YOU don't want to believe? What could I possible do or say to prove that to you? You want me to prove that god exists, how about you prove that God DOSEN'T exist?

Do you really believe that the unbelievable odds that we evolved from primordial goo into monkeys and then into cavemen then into the humans we are today? Do you really believe that the earth just happened to be positioned at just the right angle, and just the right distance from the sun for life to be able to survive? If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys? If we evolved, why aren't we still evolving?

 

BTW Darwin, im kinda a slow typer, and im at work, so just give me some time to reply ok?

 

Krusty,
Thank you. Now we can have a conversation. It seems that your "support" for believeing in god is what science can not definatively explain. If science discovers these answers tomorrow would you stop believing? Why not? Refer to a couple pages back to your can you prove god doesn't exist question.
You have no way of proving, showing, knowing god exists but you still believe in him. I want to know why.

 

WOW!!! If you type in "yahoo.fr" you get the french yahoo page!!! Image search for "sein" FTW! (But not at work.) It's almost as if there are people out there that don't speak english.
Sorry for the off topic post, it was just a big discovery for me.

 

To the question about the galaxy and us being the only form of life? I do not not know the answer... do you? I mean, I suppose God could have created another earth or even another galaxy. He did infact create other dimensions. And He also has no reason to disclose to us whether or not he does have other creations. Anyhow... these questions have no use toward a discussion of theism vs. non-theistic views.

I did look at that evilbible.com site. It is full of many many lies, which after seeing a few, I decided not to keep reading. For instance, I read the story on the front page about the rape and murder. Yes, it did happen, read it in my own Bible, but the site doesn't go on to tell you that the people of that time weren't following God or his orders. And during that time, "they did as the saw fit". Meaning, they did what someone who does not fear the Lord would do... Absolutely everything on that site is only there to discourage people from believing the Bible. The truth is, that they are not showing the whole story, are misinterpreting things, or twisting them. For instance, it says that God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac, but does not go on to tell you that God sent an angel to stop him. He was just testing Abraham's willing ness to obey.

Anyhow, of course the Bible talks about evil, and in the Old Testament, there was a lot of death and sacrifice. Sacrificial offerings were the only sign that one was asking for forgiveness of their sin and the only way that sin could be washed (for the penalty of sin is death) was through blood. But that is why God sent his son who lived a perfect life as a perfect one-time sacrifice for those who accept.

Anyhow, don't claim that Christians don't know their Bible, just becuase you read for 3 minutes on some web site that is pure blasphemy.

BTW, the Constitution and Bill of Rights weren't written for freedom FROM religion. They were written witht the idea of having religious freedom. I completely agree that there should be seperation of church and state, but that does not mean that the church or religion will not exist, or that it should be suppressed and persecuted (as it is now). Religon should not be imposed, but neither should atheistic beliefs. I honestly believe, for instance, that the fact that teachers are fired for encouraging studentes to think for themselves (like we are in this debate) by suggesting that other theories exist (other than the atheistic THEORY that the world could be started without God) . Why should a teacher have to teach the theory of big-bang and evoltion, but be not allowed to teach the theory of creationism. I'm not saying that either one should be pushed onto students, but they should be able to learn all views and decide for themselves. I think it is a sign of religious persecution. Would you not feel that your views were persecuted in a school that only taught creation, and fired teachers for not suggesting otherwise, but simply pointing out that other theories exist?

To end and to be honest, let's try to keep this debate strictly about theism vs non-theism. The reason being, is that there are many many theistic beliefs and it is hard enough to form your ideas about every little thing, that these discussions can get off track and confusing. Even an atheist and agnosticist would disagree about things (or else they'd be the same thing).

That being said, I don't see how anyone cannot believe in God. You say I'm nutz for believing that he exists, I don't see how anything else could even be possible. I'll explain further in a minute.

 

BTW, why would anyone even bring up invisible zebras, or imaginary anything? I mean, The idea that God is a made-up concept to soothe our fears makes no sense, since we reject the existence of other made-up figures that might, likewise, make us feel better. A comparison between the existence of God (a non-contingent being) and the existence of Santa Claus or invisible pink unicorns (contingent beings) fails on many levels, not the least of which is that their fundamental natures (non-physical vs. physical) are vastly different. The idea that there is no evidence to support the existence of God is clearly false. The evidence was clearly enough for many huge scientific and non-theistic thinkers to change their beliefs. Anthony Flew, a lifelong proponent of atheism recently became a deist on the basis of evidence for design. In subsequent interviews, Flew stated that he "had to go where the evidence leads." Philosophical arguments like invisible pink unicorns are great ways to avoid examining evidence, but such an approach is ultimately dishonest.

If people wanted to believe in something to make themselves happy, we'd all still believe in Santa Clause, but evidence points otherwise. And really, the idea of a God, and especially Heaven and Hell, is not a crutch to lean on! Why would someone choose to believe in something, that meant that we deserve to go to hell? If someone was going to make up a religion, it'd probably be similar to the one you guys mentioned that was all happy happy joy joy like the Dr. Seusian religion or the one with 144 virgins.

 

Why is it ok to teach evolution as oppose to creationism to students?
Evolution is based on research and facts, creationism is a unvalidated story from a very um... "dated" book. Sorry but that's why.